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It's is easy to kick a team when they are down. Wexford like us need to stop looking at shinny objects in the form of outside managers. The game is won and lost between the white lines but thinking that one of these mercenary managers will get the most from the players is believing in false gods. There was none in Ennis or Thurles. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3116 - 21/05/2023 23:26:58 2480248 Link
Replying To tonydoranfan: "very personal, I'm a passionate wexford hurling man and we are looking at playing second devision next year, no lenister or liam Mccarthy championship, and you can't understand my mindset, very personal as the model og academy is not fit for purpose and not producing results or developing players for senior, we are not righ4 there with them, we are so far off the mark so what's your mindset" If we are playing 2nd division so be it. It will be because we deserve to be. What structural changes would you like to see to our underage set up? Have larger or smaller development squads? More or less coaches? If different coaches name a few, preferably local, who you think will do a better job. Does more or less money need to be spent? You come on this lashing out at everyone involved at underage whenever we lose a Senior game. How about some positivity? Positive concrete proposals for a change? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16416 - 21/05/2023 23:28:59 2480249 Link
Replying To tonydoranfan: "no minor all ireland since 1968, one lenister in 2019 since 1985 , and you think every thing is OK, sorry you need to wake up and smell the coffee, the under age academy is a disaster, no u21 all ireland since 1964 and we seem to happy that it is pushing to 10 years since our last leinster at this grade, I'm a passionate wexford man and to me this is not near acceptable for a so called hurling county and you should not condone same" And that's with the pick of 90% of the playing population at those age groups!! FootballRising (Wexford) - Posts: 29 - 21/05/2023 23:30:15 2480250 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "Well, that's a shocker to wake up to. Expected a close game. Not that close. Haven't been as in touch with it as other years, but from what I hear through a few friends, without going in to details the vibe in the camp has been bad all year. If Wexford go to the Joe McDonagh next weekend expect a slew of retirements and it not being as easy to get out of it bar some replacements stand up and be counted. On a general point, everybody in Wexford GAA accepts mediocrity. The gallant loser tag, everybody's second favourite. Need to want to become hated. We need to stop being proud of teams who lose. Wexford supporters need to start supporting teams better. Terrible support in Thurles last year, by all accounts awful support in Carlow. Club championship is mediocre. Lads going to Electric Picnic, drinking for 2 days and being rubbish the following weekend and yet its tolerated. What Wexford do not need is a team of 96 to take over. We need to forget about 96 because its so long ago the game has changed beyond measure. Working with 2 Westmeath guys, expecting a ribbing today :(" If Wexford go down to Joe McDonagh cup and a few of the older players retire, I would not be confident of them beating Laois in a Joe McDonagh final per say. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 965 - 21/05/2023 23:31:59 2480251 Link
If we go down it will be because we deserve to. And we won't come back up til we deserve to. The players were very complacent in that 2nd half. Westmeath played very well. It was like watching an u10 team with everyone trying for goals instead of taking easy points. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16416 - 21/05/2023 23:39:46 2480254 Link
Replying To Tiger1: "Just saying he's not the one who misses frees he's not the one who hits terrible wides when it's easier score.Sooner we wake up and smell the coffee the better but sure we will probably beat kk and then we will think we are great again." Ahh stop will you , the manager is completely responsible for his teams performances! Fair enough one or two lads might underperform and a manager can't control that, but he has to stand over that second half perfermance today. Look what Mickey Harte has done with Louth. The players are dying for him in their boots, Leinster final aside. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 965 - 21/05/2023 23:43:11 2480255 Link
First time posting here. I have never felt as numb after a game as I did today watching any sport. In my opinion this today is the culmination of the last 4 years - a slow decline that has suddenly gotten out of control, which management and players need to take joint responsibility for. Look at some of our results post 2019; hammered by Clare this year, Waterford last year in the league, drawing vs Westmeath and today and other alarming results, granted the league is for blooding new players. Apart from our notable results against Kilkenny in recent years our record vs other counties in the championship is horrific no wins vs Galway and one win vs Dublin since the beginning of the round robin format in 2018, our record vs Munster speaks for itself. The appointment of Egan was the wrong one from the get-go, we needed a manger with more experience such as Eddie Brennan etc. Whoever takes over from him will have a very big job on their hands. I worry now the next 4/5 years for Wexford hurling, further slipping back into the dark ages of 2009-2012 seems like an ever increasing possibility. Key players are clearly playing injured and will probably miss prolonged periods of the club championship , and some look completely void of confidence along with the game plan (management fault), and should we get relegated to JMC I believe a number of players will walk from the panel. I really hope that in the local media this week that this mess isn't sugar coated and is seen for what it is - a failure of the game in Wexford. OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 276 - 21/05/2023 23:43:29 2480256 Link
Replying To Onfor15: "We can't afford to start a team like that against Westmeath. I don't think people realise how close we are to being in Joe McDonagh next year. One awful day against Westmeath and it's very likely. If we lose to Westmeath (which we were only a point away from last year) and Kilkenny, and Antrim beat Westmeath then we are Joe McDonagh" Highly likely now Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 21/05/2023 23:59:33 2480257 Link
Can see why manager is being blamed for this one! 15 points up at half time and loose by 2, the manager was not the reason that Wexford lost this game imo. Now it does not look good that he is still persisting with injured players. ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 22/05/2023 00:14:33 2480261 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Wexford clubs have not done well. Only in camogie Oulart have won All Irelands. Maybe Wex should look at the set up in Oulart the ballagh, camogie." Lad camoige in Wexford is in the pits. Oulart have been strong but at county level we've completely fallen off the map. Hurlers are going the same way. Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 22/05/2023 00:26:59 2480263 Link
Replying To preddan: "Was not having a go at you personally, but I get the general vibe that will be in the next few days in how bad Wexford are to lose to Westmeath not on how good Westmeath are or on the strides they have made. There will be stats everywhere, missed scoring opportunities, managerial blame etc. The last ten years or so, there has not been much between wex and wh at underage Westmeath bet wex in 2015 at minor and probably should have on and went further but luck was not to be.. Some of those players were playing today as far as I know. Even this year at u20 Wexford were lucky enough in the qtr final against Westmeath. So in the years to come it might be 50 50 games at senior" Huge credit to Westmeath today! Antrim drawing with Dublin, and Offaly look to improving hugely too. Very few counties take the game seriously so any improvement is most welcome. But Westmeath did lose to a cricket score v Galway that at half time today Wexford must have thought they were in with a chance of beating. Today's result will go down in history Dublin are at least rebuilding. Wexford are a rabble. Take this season...Writing off the NHL, Clare destroying us in the process, paying for a pre season camp in Portugal and then this shambles of a championship effort to follow it up. Egan said to judge him on the Leinster championship, wow! I'm actually wondering would a drop to the second tier not be the worst thing ever. Gut that squad, get in a Joe Fortune or similar, hard working and no nonsense coach and go from there. Focus on basics, not idiotic defensive tactics that only end up confusing the players. Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 430 - 22/05/2023 00:43:28 2480266 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Kilkenny are already in leinster final due new head to head and points difference rules, Dublin and Galway is a defacto Leinster semi final." I dont think that is actually correct. Kilkenny need to get at least a draw vs Wexford to guarantee being in Leinster final....if they were to lose and Dublin beat Galway all 3 teams would be on 7 points and then score difference would come into play. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 22/05/2023 01:02:38 2480267 Link
Slept on it. As bad a year as 2016. I was expecting a bad League because we had to blood too many new players at the same time thanks to Davys policy of picking the best players to win every match, but its been disappointing to lose the last 2 games which we dominated both of to a large extent. Egan has done good work, but doesn't seem to be able to get the lads completely up for, and focused on, a game for 70 minutes. Even the Galway game we just weren't at it tbh. The only significant performance of his tenure was us winning the knockout game v Kilkenny in Nowlan Park last year. It wouldn't surprise me if we beat them again next week, although if we don't and we end up in the Joe Mac it will be what we deserve for not being able to finish games we dominated. The players, especially the leaders, have to shoulder some of the blame too. In 2 games we hit poor penalties that I could've saved. In all 3 losses our leaders didn't lead. Ok most were carrying slight injuries but that's no excuse really. If they were that bad they shouldn't have played. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16416 - 22/05/2023 07:36:43 2480273 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "Well, that's a shocker to wake up to. Expected a close game. Not that close. Haven't been as in touch with it as other years, but from what I hear through a few friends, without going in to details the vibe in the camp has been bad all year. If Wexford go to the Joe McDonagh next weekend expect a slew of retirements and it not being as easy to get out of it bar some replacements stand up and be counted. On a general point, everybody in Wexford GAA accepts mediocrity. The gallant loser tag, everybody's second favourite. Need to want to become hated. We need to stop being proud of teams who lose. Wexford supporters need to start supporting teams better. Terrible support in Thurles last year, by all accounts awful support in Carlow. Club championship is mediocre. Lads going to Electric Picnic, drinking for 2 days and being rubbish the following weekend and yet its tolerated. What Wexford do not need is a team of 96 to take over. We need to forget about 96 because its so long ago the game has changed beyond measure. Working with 2 Westmeath guys, expecting a ribbing today :(" A 96 management team needs to brought in at this stage. Weford hurling is losing its momentum. The game may have changed since then but pride and passion will always be there and that is the ingredient this team needs now i am sure the players are completely fed up with outside managers who dont bring the real pride and passion an intercounty team needs.All the big munster teams have all there own county men in charge. Look at the job brian lohan is doing with clare and he was an early nineties hurler. That is a truely ridiculous statement by you that the game has changed. I hope the westmeath lads go easy on you today. !! Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 22/05/2023 07:53:05 2480275 Link
Replying To skillful: "That's some stretch to go after those two lads because we gave up a 17pt lead in senior hurling game v Westmeath who have never beaten us in any academy, minor level or 20s. In the past 4 years wexford have won 1 leinster minor title, lost another final by 1pt, lost two 20s finals by 1pt & 2 pts. Previous 5 years how we do? Our academy results from the weekend. U14s beat Limerick & Offaly U15s beat Galway by 15pts & Carlow in A & B games U16s beat Kildare Minors beat Offaly, Dublin & lost to KK in highly competitive game. 20s lost by 2pts to a team everyone is tipping for greatness but no one can see we are right there with them. Can't understand your mindset here unless it's personal?" I don't want to rain on your parade but the Galway U15 A team played in Waterford on Saturday. The other game was Galway 2 vs Wexford 1. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 930 - 22/05/2023 08:08:10 2480279 Link
Replying To skillful: "That's some stretch to go after those two lads because we gave up a 17pt lead in senior hurling game v Westmeath who have never beaten us in any academy, minor level or 20s. In the past 4 years wexford have won 1 leinster minor title, lost another final by 1pt, lost two 20s finals by 1pt & 2 pts. Previous 5 years how we do? Our academy results from the weekend. U14s beat Limerick & Offaly U15s beat Galway by 15pts & Carlow in A & B games U16s beat Kildare Minors beat Offaly, Dublin & lost to KK in highly competitive game. 20s lost by 2pts to a team everyone is tipping for greatness but no one can see we are right there with them. Can't understand your mindset here unless it's personal?" now since we have the attention of wexford park, can we have your mind set into team selection of this year's minor team against kilkenny. why was there 4 players from the managers club ( 1 or two maybe but noway 4), why 2 players from a selectors club ( one injured and player starting can't make his school team) , why 6 under 16 boys selected at u17 grade to start against kilkenny and expect to be competitive ,especially strange when you look at the extended panel full of 17 year old boys who lost there change to represent wexford at minor level, ryan from St annes, walsh from gusserane, mooney from rathnure, oconnor from bunclody, quinn front kilrush, mooney for example is 6'3", a stand out player for club and school since Richard league and not given one minute in minor championship and will again be a stand out player in this summers minor championship, nothing personal but some body has to be accountable for poor results in your so called academy, we are on the verge of no lenister or liam Mccarthy next year due to lack of underage success and development, tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 22/05/2023 08:25:49 2480283 Link
One thing that the 2nd half showed is that we don't have players good enough to play the old fashioned way, no wonder what the class of 96 and other traditionalists think. We weren't able to win a half of hurling 15 on 15 against Westmeath with a 17 point head start. Nearly all the Westmeath lads won their personal battles all over the pitch in that 2nd half. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16416 - 22/05/2023 08:32:24 2480287 Link
Replying To skillful: "That's some stretch to go after those two lads because we gave up a 17pt lead in senior hurling game v Westmeath who have never beaten us in any academy, minor level or 20s. In the past 4 years wexford have won 1 leinster minor title, lost another final by 1pt, lost two 20s finals by 1pt & 2 pts. Previous 5 years how we do? Our academy results from the weekend. U14s beat Limerick & Offaly U15s beat Galway by 15pts & Carlow in A & B games U16s beat Kildare Minors beat Offaly, Dublin & lost to KK in highly competitive game. 20s lost by 2pts to a team everyone is tipping for greatness but no one can see we are right there with them. Can't understand your mindset here unless it's personal?" why are wexford park coaches posting on hogan stand ? and for the record, did westmeath not beat us at minor level in 2015, when we had 6 players starting from the managers club st martins, nothing learnt or nothing changed and now westmeath beating us at senior, kildare have beaten us a u20 so where are we going from here, lets srart with a full over haul of ferns coe coaching academy structure, tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 22/05/2023 08:35:39 2480290 Link
Replying To Wexpurebred: "You can talk about all couching tactics you want but at the the end of the day it goes down to guts and courage and this wexford team do not have that under darragh egan its as simple as that. Its really comical that from all the heroes of 96 there was only 1 one player who took on a the responsibility of the top job and if you ask me this is the main problem with wexford hurling over the last 25 years. Players need oxygen and need former all ireland winners of the past for inspiration and encouragement. Its really sad if you ask me. It really is time for a few of the 96 team to bond together and make up the next management team if they really care about wexford hurling. An outside manager is not working and not the way to go.Outside wexford Davy fitzgerald got everybit of credit for the highs of this team and maybe lee chin aswell.All the other players never got the reganition they deserved which is a bit sad really." And there it is, the final piece of the jigsaw, the last reflex action, we have the "Wexford way" and the "drive it long in to the big men in the full forward line" and lastly, "let's go back to 96"!!! Sweet Jesus it's obsessing about the past rather than the opposite that has us in this mess to begin with. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1526 - 22/05/2023 08:46:13 2480292 Link
As if things weren't bad enough a former Kilkenny player called us spineless on TSG and he's right. Hopefully those comments will be on the dressing room wall. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16416 - 22/05/2023 08:52:16 2480294 Link