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Replying To zinny:  "Referees use common sense on the topic thats why you don't see many any reversals. Most refs will blow up "before" the player fouled commits a foul. Its amazing how they can blow it up exactly on 4.59. Its another example of niot putting into the rule book what would make sense. Sometimes I feel the GAA are too afraid to be seen to be copying what works in other sports and this one would have been borrowed from rugby bar the time element."
A difference from rugby is that if a rugby team with the benefit of advantage goes on to commit an offence - e.g. knocking the ball on - then they retain the penalty, instead of losing it.

Not sure why it's different in GAA, e.g. why could you be allowed advantage after being half assaulted by an opponent, but then have a free given against you 4.5 seconds later for something as relatively minor as accidental overcarrying.

Would suspect though that it's not to give free rein to whoever's fouled in the first place - i.e. you couldn't hit the opponent back, and then say to the ref "he hit me first and you were playing advantage, so it's still my free".

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1037 - 21/09/2022 15:58:23    2441446

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "A difference from rugby is that if a rugby team with the benefit of advantage goes on to commit an offence - e.g. knocking the ball on - then they retain the penalty, instead of losing it.

Not sure why it's different in GAA, e.g. why could you be allowed advantage after being half assaulted by an opponent, but then have a free given against you 4.5 seconds later for something as relatively minor as accidental overcarrying.

Would suspect though that it's not to give free rein to whoever's fouled in the first place - i.e. you couldn't hit the opponent back, and then say to the ref "he hit me first and you were playing advantage, so it's still my free"."
That's what I mean - they copied it but not exactly had they copied it bar the time part which is unrealistic in the GAA everyone would have said why are we taking rules from rugby. In rugby if the player who got the penalty then commits a foul play offence then the penalty will be overturned and go the other way, having penalty advantage is not license to do what you want. Retaliation in Rugby is a reversal in the GAA its a throw ball - perhaps that should change too as its the retaliation that sparks all the pushing and shoving. In the Aus v SA game after the SA player scored the try, he caused the handbags after. The try stood but the opposing team had a penalty on half way for the kickoff. Take for example, a lad scores his goal and then gets cleaned out - there is no advantage to play, the ball is in the net, the tackler may get a yellow but the goal is deemed to be the advantage - why? if for example in that case the penalty was the goal and play restarts with a 45/65 to the team that just scored then would players be less likely to do it? The GAA could learn a lot from other sports about how to take reckless behavior out of the game and they need to as some of the hits (illegal) in the GAA is going to cause issues further down the road.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1493 - 22/09/2022 08:26:50    2441498

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Replying To zinny:  "That's what I mean - they copied it but not exactly had they copied it bar the time part which is unrealistic in the GAA everyone would have said why are we taking rules from rugby. In rugby if the player who got the penalty then commits a foul play offence then the penalty will be overturned and go the other way, having penalty advantage is not license to do what you want. Retaliation in Rugby is a reversal in the GAA its a throw ball - perhaps that should change too as its the retaliation that sparks all the pushing and shoving. In the Aus v SA game after the SA player scored the try, he caused the handbags after. The try stood but the opposing team had a penalty on half way for the kickoff. Take for example, a lad scores his goal and then gets cleaned out - there is no advantage to play, the ball is in the net, the tackler may get a yellow but the goal is deemed to be the advantage - why? if for example in that case the penalty was the goal and play restarts with a 45/65 to the team that just scored then would players be less likely to do it? The GAA could learn a lot from other sports about how to take reckless behavior out of the game and they need to as some of the hits (illegal) in the GAA is going to cause issues further down the road."
I stand to be corrected, because while I watch a bit of rugby, I certainly don't claim to know all the ins and outs of all its rules.

Could have sworn though that if a team is being given advantage but then they knock the ball on, that they don't lose it and instead go back to take their penalty? Maybe there's a distinction where one thing happens for that sort of handling error, and another thing for an aggressive foul?

But anyway, getting way off topic now, if we're getting into the finer details of a rugby rule....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1037 - 22/09/2022 10:44:45    2441519

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