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How Do We Protect Match Officials And What Can Be Done To Help Improve Officials And Respect Towards Them

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Replying To Bon:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "From today's Independent:

Roscommon County Board still deliberating what action to take over alleged referee assault

"An official recording of the match, which had to be abandoned early in the second half, was handed over to the Gardai at their request by St Aidans. It is believed that a criminal prosecution is unlikely.

The club is now awaiting the outcome of the investigation, with the accused mentor facing the possibility of a lengthy ban of up to 96 weeks which is the maximum suspension allowed."

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There's the problem right there, criminal prosecution unlikely. That's why these events happen, people get away with it. I'd put that culprit into poverty."
It makes you wonder about the gardai. If a person was attacked on the high street, left laying immobile on the ground, then having to be taken to hospital for treatment. The Gardai are informed of who carried out the attack by eye witnesses, and provided with video evidence of the attack. They would then do nothing?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 13/09/2022 15:28:01    2440547

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To Bon:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "From today's Independent:

Roscommon County Board still deliberating what action to take over alleged referee assault

"An official recording of the match, which had to be abandoned early in the second half, was handed over to the Gardai at their request by St Aidans. It is believed that a criminal prosecution is unlikely.

The club is now awaiting the outcome of the investigation, with the accused mentor facing the possibility of a lengthy ban of up to 96 weeks which is the maximum suspension allowed."

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There's the problem right there, criminal prosecution unlikely. That's why these events happen, people get away with it. I'd put that culprit into poverty."
It makes you wonder about the gardai. If a person was attacked on the high street, left laying immobile on the ground, then having to be taken to hospital for treatment. The Gardai are informed of who carried out the attack by eye witnesses, and provided with video evidence of the attack. They would then do nothing?"]Yeah it would make you wonder. Unless the victim doesn't want to press charges which would seem strange. Nothing will change here until culprits like this start getting charged like a common criminal .

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 13/09/2022 17:43:24    2440578

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Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1920 - 13/09/2022 15:28:01
It makes you wonder about the gardai. If a person was attacked on the high street, left laying immobile on the ground, then having to be taken to hospital for treatment. The Gardai are informed of who carried out the attack by eye witnesses, and provided with video evidence of the attack. They would then do nothing?

That is something I can never get my head around. It is not as if the physical attack on a ref happens in a dark alley. There are enough witness that if the case goes to court and they are under oath that the director of prosecutions should have no problem getting a prosecution. It shows the law up in a bias situation as well as the GAA.
Charge these incidents where violence is used with attempted murder or manslaughter and that will stop it. The ref should take a civil case against the assailant and not be ostercised for doing that.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 13/09/2022 17:45:44    2440579

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Well done GAA, 96 weeks......How was this not a lifetime ban?
Should be doing 96 weeks.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 15/09/2022 18:44:19    2440816

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Replying To Bon:  "Well done GAA, 96 weeks......How was this not a lifetime ban?
Should be doing 96 weeks."
"A Category IVa infraction governing 'Any type of assault on a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official' carries a minimum 48-week ban but according to the Roscommon Herald, county board chiefs have handed out the maximum censure in this case."

So basically, anyone who goes on the pitch and assaults the referee can expect nothing more than a ban of less than 2 years. They can then return to being involved in the GAA again. Plus, the gardai will take no action.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 16/09/2022 09:08:09    2440845

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""A Category IVa infraction governing 'Any type of assault on a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official' carries a minimum 48-week ban but according to the Roscommon Herald, county board chiefs have handed out the maximum censure in this case."

So basically, anyone who goes on the pitch and assaults the referee can expect nothing more than a ban of less than 2 years. They can then return to being involved in the GAA again. Plus, the gardai will take no action."
Its absolutely shambolic. Imagine what parents of young children who were at that game must think, or parents with no GAA background looking to get their kids involved must make of it.
As much as I love the GAA there's times when it is extremely Mickey mouse and their whole disciplinary system is the pinnacle of all this.
I'm just curious if any of our posters are awake of the stance other field sports take on a referee being assaulted on the pitch and subsequent penalties to the purpertrators?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 16/09/2022 09:42:39    2440855

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Replying To Bon:  "Well done GAA, 96 weeks......How was this not a lifetime ban?
Should be doing 96 weeks."
He's "not that kind of manager" clearly...

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 16/09/2022 10:04:52    2440860

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Replying To Bon:  "Its absolutely shambolic. Imagine what parents of young children who were at that game must think, or parents with no GAA background looking to get their kids involved must make of it.
As much as I love the GAA there's times when it is extremely Mickey mouse and their whole disciplinary system is the pinnacle of all this.
I'm just curious if any of our posters are awake of the stance other field sports take on a referee being assaulted on the pitch and subsequent penalties to the purpertrators?"
If he gets involved again in the GAA, refs should refuse to officiate at his club matches.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 16/09/2022 10:36:12    2440866

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Replying To Bon:  "Its absolutely shambolic. Imagine what parents of young children who were at that game must think, or parents with no GAA background looking to get their kids involved must make of it.
As much as I love the GAA there's times when it is extremely Mickey mouse and their whole disciplinary system is the pinnacle of all this.
I'm just curious if any of our posters are awake of the stance other field sports take on a referee being assaulted on the pitch and subsequent penalties to the purpertrators?"
Wasn't there an assault on a soccer ref in Westmeath a few years ago followed by immediate lifetime bans for the perpetrators.?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1403 - 16/09/2022 10:44:49    2440868

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "If he gets involved again in the GAA, refs should refuse to officiate at his club matches."
Referees should strike again if that is what Roscommon think is appropriate.
But where are the Gardai in all of this? They don't need the cold case unit here hardly......

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 16/09/2022 10:51:20    2440869

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Replying To Canuck:  "Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1920 - 13/09/2022 15:28:01
It makes you wonder about the gardai. If a person was attacked on the high street, left laying immobile on the ground, then having to be taken to hospital for treatment. The Gardai are informed of who carried out the attack by eye witnesses, and provided with video evidence of the attack. They would then do nothing?

That is something I can never get my head around. It is not as if the physical attack on a ref happens in a dark alley. There are enough witness that if the case goes to court and they are under oath that the director of prosecutions should have no problem getting a prosecution. It shows the law up in a bias situation as well as the GAA.
Charge these incidents where violence is used with attempted murder or manslaughter and that will stop it. The ref should take a civil case against the assailant and not be ostercised for doing that."
Couldn't agree more but if this happened in the North you can't go running to the PSNI. A bigger ban from the GAA yes but if the Guards or police want to investigate let them, but not by running to them.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 16/09/2022 11:25:46    2440880

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""A Category IVa infraction governing 'Any type of assault on a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official' carries a minimum 48-week ban but according to the Roscommon Herald, county board chiefs have handed out the maximum censure in this case."

So basically, anyone who goes on the pitch and assaults the referee can expect nothing more than a ban of less than 2 years. They can then return to being involved in the GAA again. Plus, the gardai will take no action."
Very well put.

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 17/09/2022 21:27:00    2440991

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Is the mentor appealing the 96 week ban?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 19/09/2022 09:56:25    2441134

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Replying To Viking66:  "Is the mentor appealing the 96 week ban?"
And now we have a case coming to light in Offaly where an eleven year old boy was assaulted by an opponent and left with serious facial injuries.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 19/09/2022 15:18:14    2441219

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I deffo think that the suspensions being handed out are too lenient to say the least.

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 20/09/2022 14:56:01    2441322

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Just my attempt at reading between the lines... I it possible that the 'mentor' at the centre of this situation might have a valid case regarding his suspension and that media may not have reported the incident accurately?
Its the only conclusion I can come to in trying to explain why the mentor is asking for a review- putting a case to the Hearings.committee in Riscommon.
He obviously believes that some miscarriage or injustice has happened.
I am not by the way condoning in.any form the incident as reported- merely trying to logically understand why the person is putting forward an appeal..

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 20/09/2022 18:28:41    2441351

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Replying To carlowman:  "Just my attempt at reading between the lines... I it possible that the 'mentor' at the centre of this situation might have a valid case regarding his suspension and that media may not have reported the incident accurately?
Its the only conclusion I can come to in trying to explain why the mentor is asking for a review- putting a case to the Hearings.committee in Riscommon.
He obviously believes that some miscarriage or injustice has happened.
I am not by the way condoning in.any form the incident as reported- merely trying to logically understand why the person is putting forward an appeal.."
Probably more to do with the hearings committee in Roscommon being known for letting everyone off,

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 20/09/2022 19:21:28    2441359

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Replying To carlowman:  "Just my attempt at reading between the lines... I it possible that the 'mentor' at the centre of this situation might have a valid case regarding his suspension and that media may not have reported the incident accurately?
Its the only conclusion I can come to in trying to explain why the mentor is asking for a review- putting a case to the Hearings.committee in Riscommon.
He obviously believes that some miscarriage or injustice has happened.
I am not by the way condoning in.any form the incident as reported- merely trying to logically understand why the person is putting forward an appeal.."
He will most likely use the "trial by media" argument.....60% of the time it works all of the time.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 20/09/2022 21:20:28    2441366

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Replying To carlowman:  "Just my attempt at reading between the lines... I it possible that the 'mentor' at the centre of this situation might have a valid case regarding his suspension and that media may not have reported the incident accurately?
Its the only conclusion I can come to in trying to explain why the mentor is asking for a review- putting a case to the Hearings.committee in Riscommon.
He obviously believes that some miscarriage or injustice has happened.
I am not by the way condoning in.any form the incident as reported- merely trying to logically understand why the person is putting forward an appeal.."
Like maybe he went over to the ref to ask a polite question and the ref got mad, swung a punch, but unfortunately only knocked himself out as he fell over when he missed?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 20/09/2022 21:33:34    2441370

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""A Category IVa infraction governing 'Any type of assault on a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official' carries a minimum 48-week ban but according to the Roscommon Herald, county board chiefs have handed out the maximum censure in this case."

So basically, anyone who goes on the pitch and assaults the referee can expect nothing more than a ban of less than 2 years. They can then return to being involved in the GAA again. Plus, the gardai will take no action."
The Gardaí can't take action unless the person who was assaulted reports the assault to them.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 21/09/2022 10:19:37    2441384

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