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Replying To Gaa Fan: "Plenty of rules in place already to cover this matter. The people in Croke Park seem to constantly go other sports to find inspiration, whether it be new rules or changes in play, i.e. the MARK.
Enforce these rules:
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(i) Minor physical interference (e.g. laying a hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
R7.2 CHAPTER 7 ENFORCEMENT OF RULES / ARBITRATION 131 (ii) Threatening language to a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official. (iii) Penalties:
(1) Minimum: 12 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels together with a Two-Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level, applicable to the next games in the same Competition, even if one or both games occur(s) in the following year's competition;
(2) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 24 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels together with a Three-Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level, applicable to the next games in the same Competition, even if one or more of the games occur(s) in the following year's competition.
Category VI Striking or attempting to strike, or any type of assault on, a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
Penalties:
(1) Minimum: 48 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels, with offender's Team liable to Disqualification, where appropriate;
(2) Repeat Infraction within 96 weeks: 96 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels, with offender's Team liable to Disqualification, where appropriate." My point is that the rules we already have either a) aren't implemented or b) don't actually have a deterring effect required to stop the behaviour.
What is wrong with borrowing a rule from another code if it makes absolute sense to do it. It is better than not implementing something that makes sense just because it would be seen to be copying.
An example of this pig-headed approach is the advantage rule. in laymans terms where the referee has given an advantage and the person subsequently commits a foul a free is awarded to the other team. How often so you see this happen? almost never. So what you have in practice is either as soon as the foul is committed (most usually overcarrying) the ref pulls a) back the play for the original free or b) ignores the overcarrying and the player gets two advantages. But if the rule was similar to rugby then once the second foul was committed you revert to the first.
We have to admit there are some serious flaws in some of our rules and processes. They need to be addressed in a practical way to address the issue and not in a way that just complicates things further.
I believe if the 20m free rule was implemented the all the loud mouths on the sideline would be removed by their clubs over time. The rule would be self policing as it would be the clubs taking action so therefore the disciplinary end of things would not be required.
indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 18/10/2022 12:12:37
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Replying To Gaa Fan: "Plenty of rules in place already to cover this matter. The people in Croke Park seem to constantly go other sports to find inspiration, whether it be new rules or changes in play, i.e. the MARK.
Enforce these rules:
Category V
(i) Minor physical interference (e.g. laying a hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
R7.2 CHAPTER 7 ENFORCEMENT OF RULES / ARBITRATION 131 (ii) Threatening language to a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official. (iii) Penalties:
(1) Minimum: 12 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels together with a Two-Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level, applicable to the next games in the same Competition, even if one or both games occur(s) in the following year's competition;
(2) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 24 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels together with a Three-Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level, applicable to the next games in the same Competition, even if one or more of the games occur(s) in the following year's competition.
Category VI Striking or attempting to strike, or any type of assault on, a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
Penalties:
(1) Minimum: 48 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels, with offender's Team liable to Disqualification, where appropriate;
(2) Repeat Infraction within 96 weeks: 96 weeks Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels, with offender's Team liable to Disqualification, where appropriate." My point is that the rules we already have either a) aren't implemented or b) don't actually have a deterring effect required to stop the behaviour.
What is wrong with borrowing a rule from another code if it makes absolute sense to do it. It is better than not implementing something that makes sense just because it would be seen to be copying.
An example of this pig-headed approach is the advantage rule. in laymans terms where the referee has given an advantage and the person subsequently commits a foul a free is awarded to the other team. How often so you see this happen? almost never. So what you have in practice is either as soon as the foul is committed (most usually overcarrying) the ref pulls a) back the play for the original free or b) ignores the overcarrying and the player gets two advantages. But if the rule was similar to rugby then once the second foul was committed you revert to the first.
We have to admit there are some serious flaws in some of our rules and processes. They need to be addressed in a practical way to address the issue and not in a way that just complicates things further.
I believe if the 20m free rule was implemented the all the loud mouths on the sideline would be removed by their clubs over time. The rule would be self policing as it would be the clubs taking action so therefore the disciplinary end of things would not be required.
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Tha alleged assault is the most serious of all the incidents in past few weeks..I'm actually surprised that this adult got away with this without the parents or whoever was there belong to this child..I'm a fairly chilled individual but if some adult laid a finger on any of my children I would probably end up doing time..this assault can't be the norm surely..if it's true then the adult involved needs to be dealt with by the law and not GAA rules this time..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2219 - 18/10/2022 13:32:31
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Trying to read between the lines of the recent few months and the different incidents that have been reported I believe the GAA will act decisively when it comes to Congress.
I believe that the current 96 weeks will be increased and more severe sanctions will be at the disposal of disciplinary boards.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 19/10/2022 13:30:05
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Replying To CTGAA10: "Tha alleged assault is the most serious of all the incidents in past few weeks..I'm actually surprised that this adult got away with this without the parents or whoever was there belong to this child..I'm a fairly chilled individual but if some adult laid a finger on any of my children I would probably end up doing time..this assault can't be the norm surely..if it's true then the adult involved needs to be dealt with by the law and not GAA rules this time.." Agreed, but I would stress that it's best to wait until it has been investigated properly. I have heard a version of events, quite different to the headline. Basically that an adult intervened to stop a young player assaulting another (possibly his own) with a hurl. How he intervened is obviously very important too. I appreciate that I'm adding speculation too, so it's best to hold off until the actual facts are established.
Of course any assault of a child by an adult is shocking and thankfully I've never witnessed it in all my time involved in the GAA.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2043 - 19/10/2022 16:22:19
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Replying To carlowman: "Trying to read between the lines of the recent few months and the different incidents that have been reported I believe the GAA will act decisively when it comes to Congress.
I believe that the current 96 weeks will be increased and more severe sanctions will be at the disposal of disciplinary boards." The 96 week maximum suspension is not the problem in ny opinion. The problem I see is that with all the incidents that have occurred in last few years is
1. How many have received the 96 weeks?
2. How many suspensions were reduced on an appeal for little reason.
3. If someone gets 96 week suspension. What does that really mean. Who police's it.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 19/10/2022 17:01:45
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Replying To reffingmad: "The 96 week maximum suspension is not the problem in ny opinion. The problem I see is that with all the incidents that have occurred in last few years is
1. How many have received the 96 weeks?
2. How many suspensions were reduced on an appeal for little reason.
3. If someone gets 96 week suspension. What does that really mean. Who police's it." I don't disagree with you. The 96 week ban as is there now can be superceded by clubs imposing life time bans and these are effective.
And clubs can and do on their own premises ensure that these 96 week and life tome bans are enforced.
For the few I know who have been handed 96 week bans... they don't bother going to matches.
But I have known coaches who have been given hefty bans who have been warned not to turn up to matches and not to be involved at all.
Appeals is really a sore point as often - perhaps too often long bans are appealed and are often successful.
The same situation is happening at inter county where referees reports are being pored over by barristers and appeals are being made and players are getting lesser sanction ir none at all !!!
That is a c⁴ause for concern too but I feel that the whole disciplinary situation will get a root and branch overhaul to make it simpler and more straught forward where appeals will be harder to win.
That is a hope I know... and the wheels in the GAA are notoriously slow to turn but its needed and we need leaders to stand up now and ensure that culture change is delivered.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 19/10/2022 18:53:46
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How can a free be given on the field for abuse shouted by spectators??? Let's be realistic with how we reduce abuse of officials.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1496 - 19/10/2022 19:45:54
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Replying To indaknownow: "My point is that the rules we already have either a) aren't implemented or b) don't actually have a deterring effect required to stop the behaviour.
What is wrong with borrowing a rule from another code if it makes absolute sense to do it. It is better than not implementing something that makes sense just because it would be seen to be copying.
An example of this pig-headed approach is the advantage rule. in laymans terms where the referee has given an advantage and the person subsequently commits a foul a free is awarded to the other team. How often so you see this happen? almost never. So what you have in practice is either as soon as the foul is committed (most usually overcarrying) the ref pulls a) back the play for the original free or b) ignores the overcarrying and the player gets two advantages. But if the rule was similar to rugby then once the second foul was committed you revert to the first.
We have to admit there are some serious flaws in some of our rules and processes. They need to be addressed in a practical way to address the issue and not in a way that just complicates things further.
I believe if the 20m free rule was implemented the all the loud mouths on the sideline would be removed by their clubs over time. The rule would be self policing as it would be the clubs taking action so therefore the disciplinary end of things would not be required." The rules are terrible bad and enforcement worse. This in not the referees fault as they can only work with what given. One such example was the penalty for taking away a scoring opportunity. Aiden McCarthy of Clare was penalized for this about 20 meters in from the side line and defenders between him and the goal. With no announcement of an amendment the rule was ignored. Another similiar scoring chance was denied weeks latter slightly to the side of the goal and the explaination was it was off to the side of the goal. A ref was asked in another instance why he did not call one of these infringements. He said the rule states the player being pulled down not pulled back. Technicality left open and exploited. What does all this say about the competence of the rule designers. Ambigioius rules taken out of use when back firing and a referree in the first place having to establish an imaginary line.
The whole thing seems a little easier. Any foul committed within a marked out semi circle a free and two points awarded. ANY being the operative word. Any foul committed in the square a penalty awarded. Stick the black cards where they will never be found again as double punishment does nothing for our games. You have already a yellow and red. Use them as pretains to the foul and existing sanctions.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 19/10/2022 20:20:25
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Replying To CTGAA10: "Tha alleged assault is the most serious of all the incidents in past few weeks..I'm actually surprised that this adult got away with this without the parents or whoever was there belong to this child..I'm a fairly chilled individual but if some adult laid a finger on any of my children I would probably end up doing time..this assault can't be the norm surely..if it's true then the adult involved needs to be dealt with by the law and not GAA rules this time.." Just be sure to do what you want on a GAA pitch CTGAA10, if you do it in the car park or outside the ground you'll end up in the big house.
You'll get a 2-week ban otherwise.
I agree by the way, my eldest fella is now playing minor and I have no issue with another player hitting him (he isn't afraid to give it back) but I would 100% be laying into somebody if he ever gets hit by an opposition mentor or supporter.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 20/10/2022 11:45:22
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The question may be asked what has rules to do with abusing referees and officials. I believe a lot. Firstly every mentor associated with a team at any level should have to take an on line test and course of the rules. If not computer savvy a written format should exist. Mentors are or should be the elected representatives of club members and supporters. There by given responsibility to report behaviour of a very small minority. Of course the rules need to be unambiguous, understanding to all including players. Which for sure is not the case. The rules may be applied differently or god forgive a mistake made but I suspect that the aggesive bullies know nothing or care less about the rules.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 20/10/2022 19:38:33
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Replying To Canuck: "The question may be asked what has rules to do with abusing referees and officials. I believe a lot. Firstly every mentor associated with a team at any level should have to take an on line test and course of the rules. If not computer savvy a written format should exist. Mentors are or should be the elected representatives of club members and supporters. There by given responsibility to report behaviour of a very small minority. Of course the rules need to be unambiguous, understanding to all including players. Which for sure is not the case. The rules may be applied differently or god forgive a mistake made but I suspect that the aggesive bullies know nothing or care less about the rules." I dont see a need for every coach(disagree with use of mentor in many cases....) should have to take a rules test
The refs need more assistance with the rules of the game through monthly or fortnightly meetings in their county ran by county board/provincial council appointed referee development officers who work full time to help coach referees, train and develop new referees, are essential to recruitment and training of new officials etc
Rules do need to be more concise and unambigous and appeals from clubs need to be reduced especially the level to which they can appeal. you can appeal in some cases 3/4 times be it to divisional board/county board/provincial council then nationally. cut that out as well
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 21/10/2022 10:08:52
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Replying To Canuck: "The question may be asked what has rules to do with abusing referees and officials. I believe a lot. Firstly every mentor associated with a team at any level should have to take an on line test and course of the rules. If not computer savvy a written format should exist. Mentors are or should be the elected representatives of club members and supporters. There by given responsibility to report behaviour of a very small minority. Of course the rules need to be unambiguous, understanding to all including players. Which for sure is not the case. The rules may be applied differently or god forgive a mistake made but I suspect that the aggesive bullies know nothing or care less about the rules." Maybe a better approach would be for officials to shut their gob and accept the decision of the referee - the referee doesn't come over to tell the manager he picked the team wrong and should have had the corner forward at wing forward.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 21/10/2022 13:30:58
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Replying To KillingFields: "I dont see a need for every coach(disagree with use of mentor in many cases....) should have to take a rules test
The refs need more assistance with the rules of the game through monthly or fortnightly meetings in their county ran by county board/provincial council appointed referee development officers who work full time to help coach referees, train and develop new referees, are essential to recruitment and training of new officials etc
Rules do need to be more concise and unambigous and appeals from clubs need to be reduced especially the level to which they can appeal. you can appeal in some cases 3/4 times be it to divisional board/county board/provincial council then nationally. cut that out as well" I'll politely disagree with you. I believe all officials involved with teams should know the rules, if a rules test is the way to know that they do then so be it.
I attend a lot of games where its the sideline that ignites alot of the trouble and this manifests into the stands and onto the pitch. And alot of times this happens because a manager or coach doesn't know the rules.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 21/10/2022 14:43:43
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I think the rules are a huge problem for everyone,especially the way they are implemented..a ref today can referee a game completely different to a fella doing a game tomorrow..another problem I see at matches are the numbers involved with teams..at club games every panel member seems to be included,some panels have 30 plus players..then there is the huge back room staff,every club and county team has 3,4 or more at stats..all you need is one word at times and then there could be 20/30 involved outside playing area..my own opinion is no more than a panel of 24.manager,selector,medic,then perhaps 2 hurley carriers and they do water to..everyone else outside the fence,if clubs or counties don't adhere to this no match played..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2219 - 21/10/2022 15:50:52
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Maybe a better approach would be for officials to shut their gob and accept the decision of the referee - the referee doesn't come over to tell the manager he picked the team wrong and should have had the corner forward at wing forward." There may be a lot in what you are saying. However some form of approved communication on a controlled format is always better at defusing conflict. That's why I suggest the team captain be allowed aproach the ref. We'll say twice in a half. Of course if you are dealing with an individual or mentor, or manager who does not know, or does not care about the rules then it is a lost cause to begin with. If Joe s--t head in the stand sees an explanation been given to someone who matters he is going to look stupid ranting. Not saying he wont continue either. To me it is a no brainer that if you play, mentor or ref games you should be obliged to know the rules. After all we dont allow people drive cars if they do not know the rules of the road. There may be people still acting like they do not know the rules but there are consequences if an incident occurs. In the GAA consequences are scarce and in some instances dont exist at all.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 21/10/2022 19:02:43
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The fancy talk and appeals is not working too well judging by the Harty Cup game in Dungarvan yesterday. Mentors and players fighting breaks out on the side line with one players suffering a head injury. Throw both teams out. It does not matter who started it the other engaged them. Incidentally it also show why Waterford hurling is being and going to be dominated by Ballygunner. Nine players on the team starting.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 27/10/2022 15:01:46
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How can a free be given on the field for abuse shouted by spectators??? Let's be realistic with how we reduce abuse of officials.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 786 - 19/10/2022 19:45:54Very hard to but something drastic needs to be done. Once its not a coach or player you cant penalise a team during the game but you can ban teams from having spectators at games and then do more.
the rules are terrible bad and enforcement worse. This in not the referees fault as they can only work with what given. One such example was the penalty for taking away a scoring opportunity. Aiden McCarthy of Clare was penalized for this about 20 meters in from the side line and defenders between him and the goal. With no announcement of an amendment the rule was ignored. Another similiar scoring chance was denied weeks latter slightly to the side of the goal and the explaination was it was off to the side of the goal. A ref was asked in another instance why he did not call one of these infringements. He said the rule states the player being pulled down not pulled back. Technicality left open and exploited. What does all this say about the competence of the rule designers. Ambigioius rules taken out of use when back firing and a referree in the first place having to establish an imaginary line.
The whole thing seems a little easier. Any foul committed within a marked out semi circle a free and two points awarded. ANY being the operative word. Any foul committed in the square a penalty awarded. Stick the black cards where they will never be found again as double punishment does nothing for our games. You have already a yellow and red. Use them as pretains to the foul and existing sanctions.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2292 - 19/10/2022 20:20:25
the rules are terrible and enforcement worse i agree but what assistance do refs get in terms of training? Ongoing every year?
I'll politely disagree with you. I believe all officials involved with teams should know the rules, if a rules test is the way to know that they do then so be it.
I attend a lot of games where its the sideline that ignites alot of the trouble and this manifests into the stands and onto the pitch. And alot of times this happens because a manager or coach doesn't know the rules.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 21/10/2022 14:43:43
I just dont see a need for it. Having a rules test for coaches is fine but wont change any of their behaviour. It doesnt and wont do anything to change coaches or others behaviour towards officials.
I think the rules are a huge problem for everyone,especially the way they are implemented..a ref today can referee a game completely different to a fella doing a game tomorrow..another problem I see at matches are the numbers involved with teams..at club games every panel member seems to be included,some panels have 30 plus players..then there is the huge back room staff,every club and county team has 3,4 or more at stats..all you need is one word at times and then there could be 20/30 involved outside playing area..my own opinion is no more than a panel of 24.manager,selector,medic,then perhaps 2 hurley carriers and they do water to..everyone else outside the fence,if clubs or counties don't adhere to this no match played..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1770 - 21/10/2022 15:50:52
referees having different interpretations of rules isnt and shouldnt be considered a problem. Its not possible for all refs to referee all situations the same.
I do agree with you about numbers inside the fence/playing area. At rugby games all subs have to be outside fence/in stand. only 3 people allowed inside.
There may be a lot in what you are saying. However some form of approved communication on a controlled format is always better at defusing conflict. That's why I suggest the team captain be allowed aproach the ref. We'll say twice in a half. Of course if you are dealing with an individual or mentor, or manager who does not know, or does not care about the rules then it is a lost cause to begin with. If Joe s--t head in the stand sees an explanation been given to someone who matters he is going to look stupid ranting. Not saying he wont continue either. To me it is a no brainer that if you play, mentor or ref games you should be obliged to know the rules. After all we dont allow people drive cars if they do not know the rules of the road. There may be people still acting like they do not know the rules but there are consequences if an incident occurs. In the GAA consequences are scarce and in some instances dont exist at all.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2292- 21/10/2022 19:02:43
Team captain approaching ref is an issue with GAA when youve set positions. play could be up at one end of pitch and the captain is the goalie at far end.... far easier for captain to approach ref in rugby where players are far closer to officials all the time.
I wouldnt expect all coaches, especially voluntary coaches to know all the rules. it of course helps but having them do a rules test isnt necessary. what kind of rules test would you have them do and how often do they do this test and what happens if they fail the test?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 27/10/2022 18:34:26
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Replying To KillingFields: "How can a free be given on the field for abuse shouted by spectators??? Let's be realistic with how we reduce abuse of officials.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 786 - 19/10/2022 19:45:54Very hard to but something drastic needs to be done. Once its not a coach or player you cant penalise a team during the game but you can ban teams from having spectators at games and then do more.
the rules are terrible bad and enforcement worse. This in not the referees fault as they can only work with what given. One such example was the penalty for taking away a scoring opportunity. Aiden McCarthy of Clare was penalized for this about 20 meters in from the side line and defenders between him and the goal. With no announcement of an amendment the rule was ignored. Another similiar scoring chance was denied weeks latter slightly to the side of the goal and the explaination was it was off to the side of the goal. A ref was asked in another instance why he did not call one of these infringements. He said the rule states the player being pulled down not pulled back. Technicality left open and exploited. What does all this say about the competence of the rule designers. Ambigioius rules taken out of use when back firing and a referree in the first place having to establish an imaginary line.
The whole thing seems a little easier. Any foul committed within a marked out semi circle a free and two points awarded. ANY being the operative word. Any foul committed in the square a penalty awarded. Stick the black cards where they will never be found again as double punishment does nothing for our games. You have already a yellow and red. Use them as pretains to the foul and existing sanctions.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2292 - 19/10/2022 20:20:25
the rules are terrible and enforcement worse i agree but what assistance do refs get in terms of training? Ongoing every year?
I'll politely disagree with you. I believe all officials involved with teams should know the rules, if a rules test is the way to know that they do then so be it.
I attend a lot of games where its the sideline that ignites alot of the trouble and this manifests into the stands and onto the pitch. And alot of times this happens because a manager or coach doesn't know the rules.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 21/10/2022 14:43:43
I just dont see a need for it. Having a rules test for coaches is fine but wont change any of their behaviour. It doesnt and wont do anything to change coaches or others behaviour towards officials.
I think the rules are a huge problem for everyone,especially the way they are implemented..a ref today can referee a game completely different to a fella doing a game tomorrow..another problem I see at matches are the numbers involved with teams..at club games every panel member seems to be included,some panels have 30 plus players..then there is the huge back room staff,every club and county team has 3,4 or more at stats..all you need is one word at times and then there could be 20/30 involved outside playing area..my own opinion is no more than a panel of 24.manager,selector,medic,then perhaps 2 hurley carriers and they do water to..everyone else outside the fence,if clubs or counties don't adhere to this no match played..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1770 - 21/10/2022 15:50:52
referees having different interpretations of rules isnt and shouldnt be considered a problem. Its not possible for all refs to referee all situations the same.
I do agree with you about numbers inside the fence/playing area. At rugby games all subs have to be outside fence/in stand. only 3 people allowed inside.
There may be a lot in what you are saying. However some form of approved communication on a controlled format is always better at defusing conflict. That's why I suggest the team captain be allowed aproach the ref. We'll say twice in a half. Of course if you are dealing with an individual or mentor, or manager who does not know, or does not care about the rules then it is a lost cause to begin with. If Joe s--t head in the stand sees an explanation been given to someone who matters he is going to look stupid ranting. Not saying he wont continue either. To me it is a no brainer that if you play, mentor or ref games you should be obliged to know the rules. After all we dont allow people drive cars if they do not know the rules of the road. There may be people still acting like they do not know the rules but there are consequences if an incident occurs. In the GAA consequences are scarce and in some instances dont exist at all.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2292- 21/10/2022 19:02:43
Team captain approaching ref is an issue with GAA when youve set positions. play could be up at one end of pitch and the captain is the goalie at far end.... far easier for captain to approach ref in rugby where players are far closer to officials all the time.
I wouldnt expect all coaches, especially voluntary coaches to know all the rules. it of course helps but having them do a rules test isnt necessary. what kind of rules test would you have them do and how often do they do this test and what happens if they fail the test?" Okay appoint someone one th field or team trainor who wears an arm band that denotes they are the team contact.
The rule is not the American constitution in size and during the brief occasional interaction with the ref he could ask the contact person if he understands the rule applied. What happens if the test is failed ? I guess it is the same as any test that qualifies you to do something. Go away and learn it correctly and come back again.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 28/10/2022 15:23:41
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Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 786 - 19/10/2022 19:45:54Very hard to but something drastic needs to be done. Once its not a coach or player you cant penalise a team during the game but you can ban teams from having spectators at games and then do more.
the rules are terrible bad and enforcement worse. This in not the referees fault as they can only work with what given. One such example was the penalty for taking away a scoring opportunity. Aiden McCarthy of Clare was penalized for this about 20 meters in from the side line and defenders between him and the goal. With no announcement of an amendment the rule was ignored. Another similiar scoring chance was denied weeks latter slightly to the side of the goal and the explaination was it was off to the side of the goal. A ref was asked in another instance why he did not call one of these infringements. He said the rule states the player being pulled down not pulled back. Technicality left open and exploited. What does all this say about the competence of the rule designers. Ambigioius rules taken out of use when back firing and a referree in the first place having to establish an imaginary line.
The whole thing seems a little easier. Any foul committed within a marked out semi circle a free and two points awarded. ANY being the operative word. Any foul committed in the square a penalty awarded. Stick the black cards where they will never be found again as double punishment does nothing for our games. You have already a yellow and red. Use them as pretains to the foul and existing sanctions.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2292 - 19/10/2022 20:20:25
the rules are terrible and enforcement worse i agree but what assistance do refs get in terms of training? Ongoing every year?
I'll politely disagree with you. I believe all officials involved with teams should know the rules, if a rules test is the way to know that they do then so be it.
I attend a lot of games where its the sideline that ignites alot of the trouble and this manifests into the stands and onto the pitch. And alot of times this happens because a manager or coach doesn't know the rules.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 21/10/2022 14:43:43
I just dont see a need for it. Having a rules test for coaches is fine but wont change any of their behaviour. It doesnt and wont do anything to change coaches or others behaviour towards officials.
I think the rules are a huge problem for everyone,especially the way they are implemented..a ref today can referee a game completely different to a fella doing a game tomorrow..another problem I see at matches are the numbers involved with teams..at club games every panel member seems to be included,some panels have 30 plus players..then there is the huge back room staff,every club and county team has 3,4 or more at stats..all you need is one word at times and then there could be 20/30 involved outside playing area..my own opinion is no more than a panel of 24.manager,selector,medic,then perhaps 2 hurley carriers and they do water to..everyone else outside the fence,if clubs or counties don't adhere to this no match played..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1770 - 21/10/2022 15:50:52
referees having different interpretations of rules isnt and shouldnt be considered a problem. Its not possible for all refs to referee all situations the same.
I do agree with you about numbers inside the fence/playing area. At rugby games all subs have to be outside fence/in stand. only 3 people allowed inside.
There may be a lot in what you are saying. However some form of approved communication on a controlled format is always better at defusing conflict. That's why I suggest the team captain be allowed aproach the ref. We'll say twice in a half. Of course if you are dealing with an individual or mentor, or manager who does not know, or does not care about the rules then it is a lost cause to begin with. If Joe s--t head in the stand sees an explanation been given to someone who matters he is going to look stupid ranting. Not saying he wont continue either. To me it is a no brainer that if you play, mentor or ref games you should be obliged to know the rules. After all we dont allow people drive cars if they do not know the rules of the road. There may be people still acting like they do not know the rules but there are consequences if an incident occurs. In the GAA consequences are scarce and in some instances dont exist at all.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2292- 21/10/2022 19:02:43
Team captain approaching ref is an issue with GAA when youve set positions. play could be up at one end of pitch and the captain is the goalie at far end.... far easier for captain to approach ref in rugby where players are far closer to officials all the time.
I wouldnt expect all coaches, especially voluntary coaches to know all the rules. it of course helps but having them do a rules test isnt necessary. what kind of rules test would you have them do and how often do they do this test and what happens if they fail the test?" Okay appoint someone one th field or team trainor who wears an arm band that denotes they are the team contact.
The rule is not the American constitution in size and during the brief occasional interaction with the ref he could ask the contact person if he understands the rule applied. What happens if the test is failed ? I guess it is the same as any test that qualifies you to do something. Go away and learn it correctly and come back again.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 28/10/2022 15:41:24
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