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Replying To Gleebo: "If it wasn't for Jim McGuinness it would have been eight-in-a-row, an unprecedented run of success in gaelic football. The likes of Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion retiring early also had an effect IMO, they would walk on to any other county side.
Surprised that Dessie has been kept on, given that the Dubs have been in a downward trajectory for the past two seasons, and Dessie's tinkering hasn't helped that. But maybe there are few contenders for the post?
The Dubs will still be reasonably confident of getting to the All-Ireland quarter-finals and anything can happen from there." Without the loss in 2014, Dublin would not have won the next 6.
Judging by how Kerry set up in the 2014 final, they probably would have beaten Dublin.
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To be very fair to him hes taken the transition on, more then happy with the championship showing and honestly thought we were a bit ahead of schedule. We were on the wrong side of a bit of luck vs Kerry, if it had fell different and it could have, i think Dessie would be sitting here with two championships in three years.
Ive been critical enough of him over the years, but even in transition we are competing for top honours in the midst - if we are doing that, then we have to be realistic in our expectations. Anyone who beats us will be confident of going all the way really.
More to come, in terms of players coming through and we're building, hes had a rough run at it, with 75% of his reign so far happening under Covid restrictions
Think we can look forward to 2023, jaunts a plenty in the Spring and i think we have as good as chance as any in the Championship unless the bauld Colm can put manner on us in Leinster.
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Replying To TheUsername: "To be very fair to him hes taken the transition on, more then happy with the championship showing and honestly thought we were a bit ahead of schedule. We were on the wrong side of a bit of luck vs Kerry, if it had fell different and it could have, i think Dessie would be sitting here with two championships in three years.
Ive been critical enough of him over the years, but even in transition we are competing for top honours in the midst - if we are doing that, then we have to be realistic in our expectations. Anyone who beats us will be confident of going all the way really.
More to come, in terms of players coming through and we're building, hes had a rough run at it, with 75% of his reign so far happening under Covid restrictions
Think we can look forward to 2023, jaunts a plenty in the Spring and i think we have as good as chance as any in the Championship unless the bauld Colm can put manner on us in Leinster." Delighted Dessie is staying on. We are in transition and ran Kerry very close. Looking forward to 2023
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No disrespect to Dessie but i would have preferred a fresh approach, with a new man at the helm. Whatever chance we had of enticing the likes of McCaffrey and Mannion back into the fold are gone. People tend to forget that he basically completely dropped Mannion when he took over in 2020 and made him a bit part player. I always found that a head scratcher - i mean he had been consistently one of the best forwards in the country year in year out.... yes we won the All Ireland so no fuss was made of it, but i believe this was one of the reasons why it was easy for Mannion to walk away!!
Could you imagine if we had those two players playing last year. We are talking about two generational talents here in their prime- and in McCaffery's case one of the best wing backs to ever grace a football field - i really think we could have won the all ireland with them playing - fine margins!
Anyway back to Dessie, all in all i have not been happy with how we have performed since he took over. Yes we are in transition and its obvious we certainly do not have the same quality coming through, but even the lads like Fenton and Kilkenny, lads in their prime, bar a few good performances they are simply not operating at their consistent best - that cannot be argued. IMO Dessie is not getting the best out of his players and i don not like the brand of football he has us playing.
I will be very very happy to be proved wrong, and i really hope i am - but I am not confident going into next year i must admit!
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 13/09/2022 11:55:49
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How has Ciaran Archer performed at club level since he was u20? He hadn't really featured at Senior for Dublin bar o Byrne cup, though maybe he isn't good enough yet
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 13/09/2022 15:00:46
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Replying To MesAmis: "Without the loss in 2014, Dublin would not have won the next 6.
Judging by how Kerry set up in the 2014 final, they probably would have beaten Dublin." Is this the same Kerry who were well beaten by Dublin in the 2013 semi and the 2015 final? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, of course, but Kerry lost all those games to the Dubs during that period and there's no reason to believe 2014 would have been any different. (I feel the same way about the theoretical concept of Mayo playing Dublin in the 2014 final, had they gotten over Kerry in the semi-final, before anyone goes there).
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/09/2022 15:20:00
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "No disrespect to Dessie but i would have preferred a fresh approach, with a new man at the helm. Whatever chance we had of enticing the likes of McCaffrey and Mannion back into the fold are gone. People tend to forget that he basically completely dropped Mannion when he took over in 2020 and made him a bit part player. I always found that a head scratcher - i mean he had been consistently one of the best forwards in the country year in year out.... yes we won the All Ireland so no fuss was made of it, but i believe this was one of the reasons why it was easy for Mannion to walk away!!
Could you imagine if we had those two players playing last year. We are talking about two generational talents here in their prime- and in McCaffery's case one of the best wing backs to ever grace a football field - i really think we could have won the all ireland with them playing - fine margins!
Anyway back to Dessie, all in all i have not been happy with how we have performed since he took over. Yes we are in transition and its obvious we certainly do not have the same quality coming through, but even the lads like Fenton and Kilkenny, lads in their prime, bar a few good performances they are simply not operating at their consistent best - that cannot be argued. IMO Dessie is not getting the best out of his players and i don not like the brand of football he has us playing.
I will be very very happy to be proved wrong, and i really hope i am - but I am not confident going into next year i must admit!" Mansion and McCaffery back meet year I just saw on Twitter. Huge if true.
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 18/09/2022 18:50:15
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It's true alright.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8585 - 18/09/2022 18:52:18
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Replying To Gleebo: "Is this the same Kerry who were well beaten by Dublin in the 2013 semi and the 2015 final? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, of course, but Kerry lost all those games to the Dubs during that period and there's no reason to believe 2014 would have been any different. (I feel the same way about the theoretical concept of Mayo playing Dublin in the 2014 final, had they gotten over Kerry in the semi-final, before anyone goes there)." Don't think Kerry would have beaten Dublin if they had met in the 2014 Final.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2154 - 18/09/2022 18:55:26
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Kerry wouldn't have won Sam this year if King Con and Jack McCaffrey were playing.
But if my aunty had balls etc so Kerry could only beat what was in front of them.
Dublin will make a huge push for Sam next year.
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Replying To realdub: "It's true alright." Wow. That's a huge boost for them. Mannion in particular. Has any team lifted Sam from Division 2 before. Might be worth a bet even at this early stage.
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Great boost for Dublin and now maybe people might give Dessie a break. Good for football. I think Armagh won Sam in 02 from div 2 but I'm open to correction.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 18/09/2022 19:37:55
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Ominous news for the rest of us.
Kerry were comfortable for the first 2/3 of the semi v Dublin, but fell apart towards the end, and with COC, Mannion and McCaffrey you'd have to theorise that Dublin would have won, and would have beaten us in the final.
Favourites for next year imo.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 18/09/2022 19:55:47
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With Con O'Callaghan, Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion back in the fold, this elevates Dublin to a different level. Considering how few genuine contenders there is in the football championship; Dublin were already in the top 4 but these three players are difference makers and I would think that Kerry will be looking over their shoulders in 2023. It is great to see players of this caliber return to the scene as they are a joy to watch when in full flow unless you are on the receiving end.
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Replying To wicklowsupport: "With Con O'Callaghan, Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion back in the fold, this elevates Dublin to a different level. Considering how few genuine contenders there is in the football championship; Dublin were already in the top 4 but these three players are difference makers and I would think that Kerry will be looking over their shoulders in 2023. It is great to see players of this caliber return to the scene as they are a joy to watch when in full flow unless you are on the receiving end." Of course I forgot Con didn't play v Kerry. Different game had he played. Mayo with a great management team behind them this year might have a huge say. Kerry you feel will need something else up their sleeve if they are to retain Sam. Galway too have a huge year ahead.
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That will give dublin a real boost heading into the new season, might be one more all Ireland in them, mcaffreys a great ball carrier and mannion is a brilliant finisher of con stays injury free they will be serious contenders
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "No disrespect to Dessie but i would have preferred a fresh approach, with a new man at the helm. Whatever chance we had of enticing the likes of McCaffrey and Mannion back into the fold are gone. People tend to forget that he basically completely dropped Mannion when he took over in 2020 and made him a bit part player. I always found that a head scratcher - i mean he had been consistently one of the best forwards in the country year in year out.... yes we won the All Ireland so no fuss was made of it, but i believe this was one of the reasons why it was easy for Mannion to walk away!!
Could you imagine if we had those two players playing last year. We are talking about two generational talents here in their prime- and in McCaffery's case one of the best wing backs to ever grace a football field - i really think we could have won the all ireland with them playing - fine margins!
Anyway back to Dessie, all in all i have not been happy with how we have performed since he took over. Yes we are in transition and its obvious we certainly do not have the same quality coming through, but even the lads like Fenton and Kilkenny, lads in their prime, bar a few good performances they are simply not operating at their consistent best - that cannot be argued. IMO Dessie is not getting the best out of his players and i don not like the brand of football he has us playing.
I will be very very happy to be proved wrong, and i really hope i am - but I am not confident going into next year i must admit!" Well well well.... literally only posted this on Thursday. Never been so happy to be so wrong.
Buzzing. Suddenly very optimistic for next year.
Mannion back, McCaffrey back and if Con stays injury free I'd actually go as far as to say I think we will win it outright. And in fact I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is!
People might think I'm getting a wee bit ahead of myself. But look at it this way. We ran Kerry to the wire this year without those 3 players. And these aren't just any 3 players ,not even any 3 great players - these are 3 generational talents. You could make a real argument for the 3 of them being the best players in the country in their positions!!
Exciting times :D
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "Well well well.... literally only posted this on Thursday. Never been so happy to be so wrong.
Buzzing. Suddenly very optimistic for next year.
Mannion back, McCaffrey back and if Con stays injury free I'd actually go as far as to say I think we will win it outright. And in fact I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is!
People might think I'm getting a wee bit ahead of myself. But look at it this way. We ran Kerry to the wire this year without those 3 players. And these aren't just any 3 players ,not even any 3 great players - these are 3 generational talents. You could make a real argument for the 3 of them being the best players in the country in their positions!!
Exciting times :D" I have to say I had thought that the McCaffrey ship had definitely sailed and was pretty sure Mannion wouldn't be seen again but had a feint hope he might come back if Dessie was gone. To have them BOTH back is just unbelievable. Seeing both coming into training when they start back will surely give a big lift to the rest of the squad. I think with Con last year we beat Kerry - no doubt about it for me. To throw another two rolls royces into the mix now also is just complete bonus territory and we can rightly looking forward to next season with renewed optimism. Of course getting relegated was far from ideal but you'd expect given we are in Div 2 that Dessie will blood some new talent and the big guns won't be seen until the latter stages, if needed. Although Jack has been gone since 2019 you have to remember he is still only 28 so I'm sure he will get to the pitch of things quick enough and has been playing club football the since anyway. It's not a Rory O'Carroll type situation anyway that's for sure. As for Mannion it has almost pained me to see him playing so well for Crokes that last while as there was always that "if only" thought nagging away at me. Now we can put that aside and look forward to seeing that wand of a left boot back where it belongs!
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Absolutely over the moon, a tilt at an All Ireland is irrelevant for me, we were only a bit of luck away from it this year in my opinion anyway and we would have been targeting it this year anyway.
It's the joy in seeing the two lads back, watching them play and having two of the best players in the county back again, it's a frustrating thing knowing you are taking to the field and some of the counties best players aren't available. Dubs will be over the moon this morning.
There is going to be a zip in training, going to be a dog fight for competition and we are see serious strengthens of two lines, both Jack and Paul offer us a different dimension, the panel now looks immensely strong
If my read is correct I think both lads have hit life goals, I know both have spent time away, from a footballing point of view I think they needed another mountain to climb with 5 in a row in the bag, there s a challlenge there now to reassert Dublin as the top dog, despite the narrative both and particularly Jack have huge time for Dessie. I also think being in Div 2, is part of the lads decision, different games then the sameness of Div 1 and being able to play in grounds they wouldn't usually.
Overall, they are two of marquee players who were two clutch players on a team that achieved what no one in football ever could or has before, they strengthen us significantly. Key though is we don't start there, we have a few who are breaking through this year we need to give opportunities to, we have to continue t nurture, O Dell and Gannin after good break out years, Archer is looking fit this club championship, maybe O Donnell will throw his lot in with the footballers.
Bring on the Spring, can wait now.
Welcome home lads & as always,
Up The Dubs!
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