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What's the problem lads??
Why are HQ against it??
Transparency isn't an enemy!
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1920 - 11/08/2022 09:55:33
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Typical GAA…. protect the ref at all costs.. God forbid they would have to explain some of their stupid decisions for everyone to hear….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3743 - 11/08/2022 10:24:33
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Glasnost Perestroika.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1325 - 11/08/2022 10:27:06
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Replying To Mayonman: "What's the problem lads??
Why are HQ against it??
Transparency isn't an enemy!" It's disappointing that they've scrapped it. I would think it's to allow themselves time to include rules on how it can be used. Same as when club games began to be recorded and streamed counties brought in bye laws to allow the video evidence to be used by the CCC if needed. The rules would need to be changed to allow the audio of the ref mic to be used to prove verbal abuse etc. Hopefully it's something they address quickly so it can be used going forward. Another angle is that the GAA love to be in control of things and this is something they don't yet control.
hbk (Monaghan) - Posts: 35 - 11/08/2022 10:48:58
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I would imagine a big concern with this is refs making fools of themselves as they explain decisions and exposing a lack of understanding of rules leading to all manner of objections from beaten because they'll have proof a ref made a completely incorrect decision.
GAA is light years away from rugby unfortunately when it comes to the discipline required for this to work. Of course I know if it was introduced you'd expect a big improvement in behaviour of refs and players but for most unfortunately the foul mouthed abusive culture that the GAA is famous for is far too deeply embedded.
We're a generation away from this being implementable I'd say and judging by what I see and hear at U/12 13 and 14 matches it won't be the next generation either.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1551 - 11/08/2022 12:50:11
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Replying To hbk: "It's disappointing that they've scrapped it. I would think it's to allow themselves time to include rules on how it can be used. Same as when club games began to be recorded and streamed counties brought in bye laws to allow the video evidence to be used by the CCC if needed. The rules would need to be changed to allow the audio of the ref mic to be used to prove verbal abuse etc. Hopefully it's something they address quickly so it can be used going forward. Another angle is that the GAA love to be in control of things and this is something they don't yet control." You hit the nail on the head there about control.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2269 - 11/08/2022 13:23:21
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This reminds me of maybe 10 years ago Limerick FC had a friendly arranged with Barcelona in Limerick. FAI didn't like it and said they'd arrange it and were told where to.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1565 - 11/08/2022 14:23:32
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They need the rules of the game to be clearly defined, that the communication channels between officials and who makes the calls defined, for the game officials to understand the rules, trial the rules in games, iron out any problems first, be happy with how consistently the rules are being applied, before they put mics on referees. Including on mic why the decision was made and action taken. Otherwise the rules will still be refereed inconsistently but the GAA will just create loads of social media debate when one ref sends off a player and another ref, with same circumstance in another game, gives a yellow card, neither explaining why. It's still taking professional soccer too long to decide how to ref VAR rulings. They're trialling new technology recording data points on the players to make offside calls! Not sure what the linesman is there for.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7923 - 11/08/2022 14:53:31
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Think it's anawful pity this hasn't been given the go ahead..it was great in Kerry final to hear ref explain and how players reacted.im wondering is it a problem in croke park or is it with clubs who are to be televised??i do agree also with an earlier poster who says about comments passed at under age games..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2499 - 11/08/2022 17:35:42
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Replying To GreenandRed: "They need the rules of the game to be clearly defined, that the communication channels between officials and who makes the calls defined, for the game officials to understand the rules, trial the rules in games, iron out any problems first, be happy with how consistently the rules are being applied, before they put mics on referees. Including on mic why the decision was made and action taken. Otherwise the rules will still be refereed inconsistently but the GAA will just create loads of social media debate when one ref sends off a player and another ref, with same circumstance in another game, gives a yellow card, neither explaining why. It's still taking professional soccer too long to decide how to ref VAR rulings. They're trialling new technology recording data points on the players to make offside calls! Not sure what the linesman is there for." I hear ya but i u might be over thinking it. The games are being played as it is so surely the ref mic is just extra transparency not looking for technology to assist in making decisions.
I actually think it might create more respect for referees at certain levels and will certainly reduce the amount of abuse they get.
Potentially they are afraid that refs will walk away if they are being made mic up.
We should be open minded and copy the best of other sports where it suits us.
Rugby is certainly the template for disciplinary matters. I love the way the mark for a free is made in soccer with the foam, really simple and effective and with some of the frees we saw this summer being taken 5, 10 & 15 yards from the mark it is surely an easy one (remember the Armagh guy against Galway)
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1920 - 12/08/2022 08:47:07
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How many rugby games in the country yearly versus Gaelic games? I'd say 25% of Gaelic games. That's significant. Rugby doesn't arouse the same passions as Gaelic games, it's a social pursuit in many cases,
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2131 - 12/08/2022 10:00:27
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Replying To Mayonman: "I hear ya but i u might be over thinking it. The games are being played as it is so surely the ref mic is just extra transparency not looking for technology to assist in making decisions.
I actually think it might create more respect for referees at certain levels and will certainly reduce the amount of abuse they get.
Potentially they are afraid that refs will walk away if they are being made mic up.
We should be open minded and copy the best of other sports where it suits us.
Rugby is certainly the template for disciplinary matters. I love the way the mark for a free is made in soccer with the foam, really simple and effective and with some of the frees we saw this summer being taken 5, 10 & 15 yards from the mark it is surely an easy one (remember the Armagh guy against Galway)" I'm definitely fond of overthinking things Mayonman, no doubt about it! I'm not against micing refs, will show the transparency for supporters and viewers and should better explain decisions. But I think if rules are more clearly defined consistent refereeing standards improve as a result then mic'd up games have less potential to be a PR disaster.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7923 - 12/08/2022 10:36:36
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And to add to the frustration, the referee in question is named Eamon Furlong and he is a really good prospect for the GAA in general.
I expect him to be on the inter county panel in a year or two. He is calm, articulate, explains his decisions.
A real shame he isn't mic'd up.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1325 - 12/08/2022 14:01:15
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What's the problem lads??
Why are HQ against it??
Transparency isn't an enemy!
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1646 - 11/08/2022 09:55:33
Interesting it was trialled and then stopped. Maybe they dont see a benefit to it
Typical GAA…. protect the ref at all costs.. God forbid they would have to explain some of their stupid decisions for everyone to hear….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 991 - 11/08/2022 10:24:33Bit harsh. this attitude shows why refs arent treated well and there isnt near half enough of them
It's disappointing that they've scrapped it. I would think it's to allow themselves time to include rules on how it can be used. Same as when club games began to be recorded and streamed counties brought in bye laws to allow the video evidence to be used by the CCC if needed. The rules would need to be changed to allow the audio of the ref mic to be used to prove verbal abuse etc. Hopefully it's something they address quickly so it can be used going forward. Another angle is that the GAA love to be in control of things and this is something they don't yet control.
hbk (Monaghan) - Posts: 35 - 11/08/2022 10:48:58
You coud be right. might reintroduce it with guidelines about when you can cut to the ref speaking and when you cant.
I would imagine a big concern with this is refs making fools of themselves as they explain decisions and exposing a lack of understanding of rules leading to all manner of objections from beaten because they'll have proof a ref made a completely incorrect decision.
GAA is light years away from rugby unfortunately when it comes to the discipline required for this to work. Of course I know if it was introduced you'd expect a big improvement in behaviour of refs and players but for most unfortunately the foul mouthed abusive culture that the GAA is famous for is far too deeply embedded.
We're a generation away from this being implementable I'd say and judging by what I see and hear at U/12 13 and 14 matches it won't be the next generation either.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1333 - 11/08/2022 12:50:11 or the big concern is people at home here players and if we got to inter county games and it was used there big names giving officials dogs abuse and the GAA dont want it to be audible on tv their biggest stars giving refs abuse....
They need the rules of the game to be clearly defined, that the communication channels between officials and who makes the calls defined, for the game officials to understand the rules, trial the rules in games, iron out any problems first, be happy with how consistently the rules are being applied, before they put mics on referees. Including on mic why the decision was made and action taken. Otherwise the rules will still be refereed inconsistently but the GAA will just create loads of social media debate when one ref sends off a player and another ref, with same circumstance in another game, gives a yellow card, neither explaining why. It's still taking professional soccer too long to decide how to ref VAR rulings. They're trialling new technology recording data points on the players to make offside calls! Not sure what the linesman is there for.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6766 - 11/08/2022 14:53:31rules do need to be better defined but there is so many officials on a pitch already and the umpires arent qualified officials which they should be. the umpires especially at top level club games and all inter county games should be up and coming even very experienced referees not what happens right now. refs will only improve if they get better training off the pitch with regular meetings to discuss rules of hurling and football and how to improve themselves through training from croke park appointed referee development officers
How many rugby games in the country yearly versus Gaelic games? I'd say 25% of Gaelic games. That's significant. Rugby doesn't arouse the same passions as Gaelic games, it's a social pursuit in many cases,
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 684 - 12/08/2022 10:00:27
This is nonsense. Yes there is less rugby games than gaelic football but proportionally its fairly safe to say there is far less disciplinary and abuse issues in rugby than GAA.
how are you measuring the passion of GAA compared to rugby? GAA is as much a social pursuit as rugby
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3746 - 12/08/2022 16:10:01
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Replying To Mayonman: "I hear ya but i u might be over thinking it. The games are being played as it is so surely the ref mic is just extra transparency not looking for technology to assist in making decisions.
I actually think it might create more respect for referees at certain levels and will certainly reduce the amount of abuse they get.
Potentially they are afraid that refs will walk away if they are being made mic up.
We should be open minded and copy the best of other sports where it suits us.
Rugby is certainly the template for disciplinary matters. I love the way the mark for a free is made in soccer with the foam, really simple and effective and with some of the frees we saw this summer being taken 5, 10 & 15 yards from the mark it is surely an easy one (remember the Armagh guy against Galway)" Can see no reason why the shaving foam can't be use to mark the spot for frees. Would refs be allowed to do this off their own bat?
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2288 - 12/08/2022 21:12:47
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Typical GAA…. protect the ref at all costs.. God forbid they would have to explain some of their stupid decisions for everyone to hear…." How does GAA protect refs at all costs as they certainly dont based on the training, support they get. the bashing they get in media etc
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3746 - 12/08/2022 21:51:30
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Replying To Claretandblue: "How many rugby games in the country yearly versus Gaelic games? I'd say 25% of Gaelic games. That's significant. Rugby doesn't arouse the same passions as Gaelic games, it's a social pursuit in many cases," Possibly is across country that percentage less than GAA but are incidents in rugby exactly that proportion less? No as its less.
How exactly does rugby not get same passion as gaelic games? Explain that please
gaa is as much social pursuit as rugby
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3746 - 12/08/2022 21:54:14
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Replying To KillingFields: "How does GAA protect refs at all costs as they certainly dont based on the training, support they get. the bashing they get in media etc" The GAA are hardly going to want them miked up if it means them trying to explain some of their stupid decisions…. egg on face and all that.. not hard to work out…. It's a system that works very well in rugby and American football where the spectators know exactly why a decision was made… The problem in the GAA is a lot of times the referee can't explain the decision….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3743 - 13/08/2022 11:11:04
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Attendances at GAA matches nationally versus attendances at club rugby matches is one measure. There are 47 GAA clubs in Westmeath, one or two rugby clubs, likewise in every county, participating rates another measure.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2131 - 13/08/2022 12:31:12
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John O'Halloran from limerick was miked up for a Kerry club semi final (i think) last Sunday on TG4. A game ran by the GAA. I don't see too many of you on commenting on the fine job he did. Seems like this forum is very typical social media where faceless people just like to criticise.
Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 13/08/2022 19:51:39
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