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Davy Fitzgerald Returning To Waterford

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Replying To ahsure.:  "Ye can dress it up any way ye like, Davy Fitz is a good manager. Simply as."
He is a good manager but is he good enough for a top team like Waterford. I dont think he has the capacity to adapt and put together a game plan to trouble Kinnerk and Kiely. He's a great motivator and he's usually liked but will he rob Peter to pay Paul. Will he take from the scoring ability of Waterford? I think going on past evidence he will get Waterford out of Munster (no mean challenge) but will come up decidedly short in Croke Park. Chances of Beating Limerick are decent in Munster. They have the players. As the season rumbles on I'd give them much less chance of troubling the Shannonsiders in Jones Road.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 15/08/2022 12:05:18    2437481

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Replying To ahsure.:  "Ye can dress it up any way ye like, Davy Fitz is a good manager. Simply as."
I wish him well anyway too much dominance by any team is bad & more teams that will equal limerick the better

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 960 - 15/08/2022 12:41:41    2437493

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Replying To endgame:  "I suppose the criticism and Davy was the Manager is that Wexford had an extra man and a lead down the home stretch but still lost that semi final to Tipp."
We just didn't have the subs to make an impact and we put 3 inside and started playing it long which played into Tipps hands, as the Mahers won most of that long ball, but our lads were out on their feet and weren't able to play it short and run any more. Also that in-game cuteness gained from playing in a lot of knockout intercounty games was probably lacking. Yes that could be said to be partly the managers fault but definitely he wasn't entirely to blame. That year we only lost that 1 championship game. We beat Kilkenny in the Leinster final and drew in Salthill not an easy place to go.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14234 - 15/08/2022 13:05:49    2437498

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I think it's a strange one with him going back..usually there is a kick when a new manager arrives to a county..davy will have worked with a lot of them previously and will know most others through the college scene..I'll be interested to see if he might try and get Connors and o keeffee back on panel..can he get the Bennett's back to previous form and where to play Aussie and get best out of him..there are hurlers in Waterford to be competing for Liam mc carthy every year just not sure about davy..also his selectors will be huge for Waterford,would he try and get pat Bennett on board,has worked with him previously..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2413 - 15/08/2022 13:33:33    2437504

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To wicklowsupport:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Plus with no apparent new talent coming through, he [Cody} decide to step down"

Utter nonsense. No apparent talent coming through? Did you watch Kilkenny play this year? They had the youngest team/panel of all the top counties. 6 of the 15 players that started against Limerick were 23 or younger.
Plus, I dare say there'll be a few from the AI winning under 20 team joining the senior panel sooner rather than latter.

As for the reason(s) Cody stepped down. How do you know? Did he tell you?"
You are entitled to your opinion but please don't berate my opinion by calling it nonsense. Kilkenny are a step below Limerick at the moment. They never looked like beating Limerick in the all ireland final. If Brian Cody felt they were ready to make the step up and win the all ireland he would stay. Kilkenny are in a group of teams on a similar level; any of these teams can beat the other on any day. Maybe players from their u20 team can make a step up."
I wasn't giving an opinion, I was stating a fact, pointing out your ignorance?
Why are you talking about Limerick? They have nothing to do with subject at hand.
And here you go again with more nonsense:
"If Brian Cody felt they were ready to make the step up and win the all ireland he would stay"
You know nothing about why Brian Cody stepped down."]Do you know why he stepped down?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2106 - 15/08/2022 13:35:07    2437506

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Davy will be operating with just one Bennett, Stephen. I guess it opens the door for someone else to join the panel Shane was not a starter for awhile and strangely Kieran was the same last year despite his steady performances always.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2903 - 15/08/2022 14:08:10    2437511

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Replying To Dec82andahalf:  "You can't put anything into context unless you actually watch the games.

This thread is nonsense, look at Davys record year by year and then go and watch his teams play. Clare from 2014 onwards when he stopped listening to Kinnerk and then Wexford from 2017 onwards were garbage. It's laughable that Davy is mentioned as a good coach."
It's hardly laughable that a man who won an all Ireland, a munster, and a leinster, all with counties outside of the top 3,couid be mentioned as a good coach.
Tbh I think its a pretty logical conclusion to draw.

And stop with the garbage talk. Clare post 13 and wexford post 17 weren't any worse than they were before he came in.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 15/08/2022 14:09:25    2437512

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2 of the 3 bennets are going travelling next year so thats a setback straight away.......waterford are a decent side but short of the quality thats needed to trouble limerick......liam cahill and mikey bevans are as good as whats around in terms of manager and coach and they came up short the last few years , the davy fitz tenure in waterford isnt going to be any better......he is a good motivator but thats as good as it gets........waterford to struggle to get out of munster next year and this waterford and davy marriage aint going to end great.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1130 - 15/08/2022 14:15:10    2437514

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "2 of the 3 bennets are going travelling next year so thats a setback straight away.......waterford are a decent side but short of the quality thats needed to trouble limerick......liam cahill and mikey bevans are as good as whats around in terms of manager and coach and they came up short the last few years , the davy fitz tenure in waterford isnt going to be any better......he is a good motivator but thats as good as it gets........waterford to struggle to get out of munster next year and this waterford and davy marriage aint going to end great."
I don't think the loss is critical as both were not starters of late. Actually a brain freeze made Stephen an non starter in our last championship game as well as only two players in their regular positions. Shaun O Brien in goal and maybe Hutchison. I had great time for Liam Cahill but some of that gloss went off after that. Number one it showed panic and a total loss of confidence in a team that got to three points of Limerick. This lack of confidence went right to the toes of the players. When I saw it on the field said Clare are going to hammer us today.
Davy has a tough job but I think it is a long shot predicting who will get out of Munster on any given year. However here's my prediction. Waterford will be the first team over that hurl in 2023. I just hope the hype that is already going on is not all about Davy and let these talented player do their best.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2903 - 15/08/2022 14:49:34    2437519

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Replying To Canuck:  "I don't think the loss is critical as both were not starters of late. Actually a brain freeze made Stephen an non starter in our last championship game as well as only two players in their regular positions. Shaun O Brien in goal and maybe Hutchison. I had great time for Liam Cahill but some of that gloss went off after that. Number one it showed panic and a total loss of confidence in a team that got to three points of Limerick. This lack of confidence went right to the toes of the players. When I saw it on the field said Clare are going to hammer us today.
Davy has a tough job but I think it is a long shot predicting who will get out of Munster on any given year. However here's my prediction. Waterford will be the first team over that hurl in 2023. I just hope the hype that is already going on is not all about Davy and let these talented player do their best."
canuck why im saying waterofrd will struggle next year is there is too much drama and sideshows with davy and you add in the clare waterford fixture next year it will turn into a media circus about lohan and davy .....then you have the waterord v tipp game and the liam cahill leaving waterford scenario.......

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1130 - 15/08/2022 15:06:00    2437522

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "canuck why im saying waterofrd will struggle next year is there is too much drama and sideshows with davy and you add in the clare waterford fixture next year it will turn into a media circus about lohan and davy .....then you have the waterord v tipp game and the liam cahill leaving waterford scenario......."
Yes it will be interesting for the public hype but the job of the players is to go out and play the game and I think that is what happens when the ball is thrown in. Believe it or not most of the hype and media circus is outside Waterford. Those of us that have spent a life time of supporting never expect too much. The highs and lows is always a roller coaster with us.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2903 - 15/08/2022 17:00:41    2437544

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Replying To Canuck:  "Davy will be operating with just one Bennett, Stephen. I guess it opens the door for someone else to join the panel Shane was not a starter for awhile and strangely Kieran was the same last year despite his steady performances always."
I always got the impression with Shane Bennett that they never seemed to know where he was best positioned and I think that was to his undoing. He really looked like a guy who was low on confidence this year. He's played as much hurling up front as he's played in the half back line.
Same with Kieran to a degree too, He's been shuffled between half back/half forward.
They'd be too good guys to have around for Davy for sure. Best of luck to them on their travels.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2106 - 15/08/2022 17:56:45    2437557

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Replying To Galway9801:  "It's hardly laughable that a man who won an all Ireland, a munster, and a leinster, all with counties outside of the top 3,couid be mentioned as a good coach.
Tbh I think its a pretty logical conclusion to draw.

And stop with the garbage talk. Clare post 13 and wexford post 17 weren't any worse than they were before he came in."
Clare 2014 - 2016 were terrible, it was up there with the worst hurling I've ever witnessed from a clare team and with the best group of players that clare have produced since the 90s.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 34 - 15/08/2022 18:38:56    2437560

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Davy taking Waterford again is really big news... whether he will be successful depends upon a lot of factors.
There is no doubt that Davy has motivational abilities and that he often takes the limelight and whether this is actually a positive thing is another question.
I just think that his system demands an incredible levell of fitness and I wonder is it the gameplay that will yield success particularly if he uses the same gameplay he developed for Wexford.

Will the players but into his ways...

All would wish him well and all would like to see Waterford win the Big One but ... just hard to see him being the man to bring Waterford to the top of the summit.
Limerick Clare and Cork are all ahead of Waterford in Munster and Kilkenny and Galway are also there ahead of them so a lot of ground to make up.

Then - does his presence on the sideline add extra motivation for the opposition ? Perhaps it does.

The quality of player is there in Waterford and I wish Waterford and Davy well for the coming season.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1852 - 15/08/2022 19:24:18    2437566

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Replying To Dec82andahalf:  "Clare 2014 - 2016 were terrible, it was up there with the worst hurling I've ever witnessed from a clare team and with the best group of players that clare have produced since the 90s."
Clare 2014 - 16 were terrible,,, as opposed to post 2016 when they've been brilliant yeah?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/08/2022 11:52:28    2437616

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Clare 2014 - 16 were terrible,,, as opposed to post 2016 when they've been brilliant yeah?"
the reason clare were so successful for that 3 or 4 year period was paul kinnerk.......winning munster minors, 3 u21s all irelands in a row and the senior all ireland win in 2013 was paul kinnerks coaching ........colin ryan who won the a senior all ireland in 2013 said that paul kinnerk leaving was the biggest loss to clare hurling......gerry o connor who managed clare with donal moloney for the minor and u21 successes stated the kinnerk completely changed clare hurling.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1130 - 16/08/2022 13:03:46    2437633

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Clare 2014 - 16 were terrible,,, as opposed to post 2016 when they've been brilliant yeah?"
They were good in 2018 which we discovered to our cost (despite beating them in a replay).

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1968 - 16/08/2022 13:05:17    2437635

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Clare 2014 - 16 were terrible,,, as opposed to post 2016 when they've been brilliant yeah?"
No not at all but they've gone from not winning a game in Munster in those 3 years to contesting 3 Munster finals.

The 3 years post Davy Clare won 6 games in Munster and lost 5 and 2 of those were finals.

2020 Lohan came in and started building the team again, he's bringing through young lads. If your showing form for your club, you'll get your chance. Cian Nolan being an example. Davy played the same 17 or 18 players every year. Peter Duggan never got a look in with Davy, despite being one of the best forwards on the club scene.

I don't expect Clare to be challenging for all irelands every year but I expect them to be competitive and they weren't under Davy.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 34 - 16/08/2022 14:11:39    2437656

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Replying To Bon:  "I always got the impression with Shane Bennett that they never seemed to know where he was best positioned and I think that was to his undoing. He really looked like a guy who was low on confidence this year. He's played as much hurling up front as he's played in the half back line.
Same with Kieran to a degree too, He's been shuffled between half back/half forward.
They'd be too good guys to have around for Davy for sure. Best of luck to them on their travels."
Yes i agree with that. Under age he was great and there were big expectations. Kieran was never expected to make it at senior but improved drastically from his early years. A credit to him. Stephen was late at senior because of repeat hip surgeries. That delay may be helping him now if the hips hold out. The same I think is going on with Gleeson expecting him to fill every weakness. Put him some place (full forward) and let him there.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2903 - 16/08/2022 14:33:27    2437664

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Replying To Dec82andahalf:  "No not at all but they've gone from not winning a game in Munster in those 3 years to contesting 3 Munster finals.

The 3 years post Davy Clare won 6 games in Munster and lost 5 and 2 of those were finals.

2020 Lohan came in and started building the team again, he's bringing through young lads. If your showing form for your club, you'll get your chance. Cian Nolan being an example. Davy played the same 17 or 18 players every year. Peter Duggan never got a look in with Davy, despite being one of the best forwards on the club scene.

I don't expect Clare to be challenging for all irelands every year but I expect them to be competitive and they weren't under Davy."
Why do i get the feeling that if Davy had Brians record at this stage, 3 seasons and an all Ireland semi final wipe out the zenith, you'd be going to town on him?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/08/2022 15:09:46    2437674

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