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Davy Fitzgerald Returning To Waterford

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Davy Fitz is a unique character in the GAA. Has there ever been a manager talked about so much who in the grand scheme of things hadn't actually had thst much success?

He's been an inter county manager since 2008 in that time he's won one Munster title, one Leinster title, one League title and one All Ireland. He's record of even making finals isn't anything great either. So the question Why's he still so sought after? Or is he?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1487 - 14/08/2022 17:09:19    2437375

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Replying To oneoff:  "Davy Fitz is a unique character in the GAA. Has there ever been a manager talked about so much who in the grand scheme of things hadn't actually had thst much success?

He's been an inter county manager since 2008 in that time he's won one Munster title, one Leinster title, one League title and one All Ireland. He's record of even making finals isn't anything great either. So the question Why's he still so sought after? Or is he?"
How did Clare do before/after him and how did Wexford do before him? (This is a not a put down on Wexford and Clare btw)

When you put it in that context you can see why people think he is a good manager.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1633 - 14/08/2022 17:42:53    2437381

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Replying To ahsure.:  "How did Clare do before/after him and how did Wexford do before him? (This is a not a put down on Wexford and Clare btw)

When you put it in that context you can see why people think he is a good manager."
Waterford haven't won a munster title since him. Clare haven't won any title in anything since either and Wexford probably won't be winning a Leister title any time soon either. The way he goes about it might be great to traditionalists but you've to take into account the counties he's managing. Often he's taken them at a very very low ebb too, Clare getting beaten nearly 20 points by Galway the year before, Wexford getting hammered year after year by Kilkenny and stuck in Division 2 and Waterford had success in the 6/7 years previous but where very much at the end. He got titles won for all these teams.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 286 - 14/08/2022 18:19:03    2437387

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Replying To ahsure.:  "How did Clare do before/after him and how did Wexford do before him? (This is a not a put down on Wexford and Clare btw)

When you put it in that context you can see why people think he is a good manager."
While they didn't win Clare got to two Munster finals in a row after he left. I'm not sure of the stats off hand but they struggled to win games in Munster when he was the manager. Granted that was before the Round Robin.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1487 - 14/08/2022 18:32:35    2437389

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Replying To baire:  "Just a little over a year ago Davy Fitz announced that he was leaving Wexford.
Fitzgerald elaborated on his decision in his statement, saying that the demands of commuting from his home in Sixmilebridge had been a key influence on his departure. "I have never felt closer or happier with any team in all my years coaching and I thoroughly enjoyed every second of my five years in Wexford". 30 Jul 2021.
A year later and he's the Waterford manager. A round trip to Waterford from Sixmilebridge is about 4.5 hours! Is ait an mac é Davy!"
It's known as making it up as you go along. Good man Davy.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2308 - 14/08/2022 18:40:11    2437392

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Replying To oneoff:  "While they didn't win Clare got to two Munster finals in a row after he left. I'm not sure of the stats off hand but they struggled to win games in Munster when he was the manager. Granted that was before the Round Robin."
My point is he won them an all ireland and they have not, realistically, come close since.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1633 - 14/08/2022 18:54:02    2437395

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Replying To endgame:  "It's known as making it up as you go along. Good man Davy."
Making it up as you go along? It was a full year ago he said that.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 14/08/2022 18:56:07    2437396

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Replying To ahsure.:  "My point is he won them an all ireland and they have not, realistically, come close since."
Well they lost the semi final in 2018 after a replay. Under Davy they, I think, only got to the knock out stage once after 2013.

It could be argued that with the players he had with both Clare and Wexford he should have done an awful lot more.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1487 - 14/08/2022 19:04:24    2437398

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Davy will only do as good as the players perform. It is true no matter who is the manager. I not sure about this getting more out of any player if it is not in there to begin with. The style of play of the team may vary from manager to manager and that might influence results. Results are got by the guys out between the lines.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2903 - 14/08/2022 19:24:32    2437403

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Replying To oneoff:  "Well they lost the semi final in 2018 after a replay. Under Davy they, I think, only got to the knock out stage once after 2013.

It could be argued that with the players he had with both Clare and Wexford he should have done an awful lot more."
Had clare and wexford won nothing with those players, under a manager other than Davy, no one would have batted an eyelid.
Tipp and kilkenny were by a mile the two best teams in the country between 09 and 16 so to have won anything in that era was an achievement.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 14/08/2022 19:27:41    2437404

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Making it up as you go along? It was a full year ago he said that."
Yes and what's changed in the year. The distance between Clare and the South East certainly hasn't.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2308 - 14/08/2022 19:43:30    2437408

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Replying To endgame:  "Yes and what's changed in the year. The distance between Clare and the South East certainly hasn't."
Ferns is a good hours drive past Waterford from Clare.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14234 - 14/08/2022 20:05:47    2437412

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Plus with no apparent new talent coming through, he [Cody} decide to step down"

Utter nonsense. No apparent talent coming through? Did you watch Kilkenny play this year? They had the youngest team/panel of all the top counties. 6 of the 15 players that started against Limerick were 23 or younger.
Plus, I dare say there'll be a few from the AI winning under 20 team joining the senior panel sooner rather than latter.

As for the reason(s) Cody stepped down. How do you know? Did he tell you?"
You are entitled to your opinion but please don't berate my opinion by calling it nonsense. Kilkenny are a step below Limerick at the moment. They never looked like beating Limerick in the all ireland final. If Brian Cody felt they were ready to make the step up and win the all ireland he would stay. Kilkenny are in a group of teams on a similar level; any of these teams can beat the other on any day. Maybe players from their u20 team can make a step up."
I wasn't giving an opinion, I was stating a fact, pointing out your ignorance?
Why are you talking about Limerick? They have nothing to do with subject at hand.
And here you go again with more nonsense:
"If Brian Cody felt they were ready to make the step up and win the all ireland he would stay"
You know nothing about why Brian Cody stepped down.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2668 - 14/08/2022 21:18:43    2437428

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Replying To endgame:  "Yes and what's changed in the year. The distance between Clare and the South East certainly hasn't."
It's a shorter distance and after a year out maybe he feels ready to get back to the travelling.
The fact he's willing to make the journey at all speaks for his commitment.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 14/08/2022 21:39:10    2437436

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Replying To ahsure.:  "How did Clare do before/after him and how did Wexford do before him? (This is a not a put down on Wexford and Clare btw)

When you put it in that context you can see why people think he is a good manager."
You can't put anything into context unless you actually watch the games.

This thread is nonsense, look at Davys record year by year and then go and watch his teams play. Clare from 2014 onwards when he stopped listening to Kinnerk and then Wexford from 2017 onwards were garbage. It's laughable that Davy is mentioned as a good coach.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 34 - 14/08/2022 21:57:47    2437440

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To wicklowsupport:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Plus with no apparent new talent coming through, he [Cody} decide to step down"

Utter nonsense. No apparent talent coming through? Did you watch Kilkenny play this year? They had the youngest team/panel of all the top counties. 6 of the 15 players that started against Limerick were 23 or younger.
Plus, I dare say there'll be a few from the AI winning under 20 team joining the senior panel sooner rather than latter.

As for the reason(s) Cody stepped down. How do you know? Did he tell you?"
You are entitled to your opinion but please don't berate my opinion by calling it nonsense. Kilkenny are a step below Limerick at the moment. They never looked like beating Limerick in the all ireland final. If Brian Cody felt they were ready to make the step up and win the all ireland he would stay. Kilkenny are in a group of teams on a similar level; any of these teams can beat the other on any day. Maybe players from their u20 team can make a step up."
I wasn't giving an opinion, I was stating a fact, pointing out your ignorance?
Why are you talking about Limerick? They have nothing to do with subject at hand.
And here you go again with more nonsense:
"If Brian Cody felt they were ready to make the step up and win the all ireland he would stay"
You know nothing about why Brian Cody stepped down."]Who cares, Cody is history - the focus now is on Kiely's kinetics!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 15/08/2022 08:21:40    2437447

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Had clare and wexford won nothing with those players, under a manager other than Davy, no one would have batted an eyelid.
Tipp and kilkenny were by a mile the two best teams in the country between 09 and 16 so to have won anything in that era was an achievement."
I'm pretty sure with Clare in particular with the amount of underage success they'd had from 2009 to 2014 they would have got criticism.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1487 - 15/08/2022 09:47:09    2437456

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Replying To Dec82andahalf:  "You can't put anything into context unless you actually watch the games.

This thread is nonsense, look at Davys record year by year and then go and watch his teams play. Clare from 2014 onwards when he stopped listening to Kinnerk and then Wexford from 2017 onwards were garbage. It's laughable that Davy is mentioned as a good coach."
Without him it would be 27 years and counting since ye won Liam..

Yes I've watched games and in 2019 I thought Wexford played some great hurling, that semi final against Tipp was a cracker. But I suppose that campaign had nothing to do with Davy.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1633 - 15/08/2022 09:57:26    2437458

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Replying To ahsure.:  "Without him it would be 27 years and counting since ye won Liam..

Yes I've watched games and in 2019 I thought Wexford played some great hurling, that semi final against Tipp was a cracker. But I suppose that campaign had nothing to do with Davy."
I suppose the criticism and Davy was the Manager is that Wexford had an extra man and a lead down the home stretch but still lost that semi final to Tipp.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2308 - 15/08/2022 10:19:02    2437463

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Ye can dress it up any way ye like, Davy Fitz is a good manager. Simply as.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1633 - 15/08/2022 11:34:51    2437476

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