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Clifford Versus Walsh

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Walsh was the best player on the field on Sunday with Clifford a close second. Only reason Clifford got MOM is because Kerry won.

crnm (Donegal) - Posts: 100 - 26/07/2022 15:40:22    2434626

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Replying To crnm:  "Walsh was the best player on the field on Sunday with Clifford a close second. Only reason Clifford got MOM is because Kerry won."
Decent enough reason for winning it. Would Kerry have won Sunday without Clifford? Lost to Tyrone in extra time last year and Clifford played no part in those 20 minutes.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3338 - 26/07/2022 16:47:12    2434644

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Replying To crnm:  "Walsh was the best player on the field on Sunday with Clifford a close second. Only reason Clifford got MOM is because Kerry won."
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Moyle (Tipperary) - Posts: 86 - 26/07/2022 16:52:49    2434650

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What the Sunday Game panel completely forget is that they are just being asked to pick the Man of the Match that is being played that day.

Not anything else.

Walsh was the best player on Sunday by a distance.

He is simply majestic.

Glad to see that a few journalists didn't follow the herd and opted for Walsh as MOTM.

Nothing against Clifford,great player and a bit of a character to go with it,but the media love in with him has grown out of all proportion.

Moyle (Tipperary) - Posts: 86 - 26/07/2022 17:00:43    2434655

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Very close, both showed up on the big occasion and both played superbly, but one of the points Walsh got had no right to go over - score of the game.

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 238 - 26/07/2022 20:06:00    2434706

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Replying To sam1884:  "There is an unwritten criteria the man of the match has to be from the winning team. Two great performances and it was close, but for me Walsh was best player on the pitch. However most likely due to media programming that evening he couldn't win it, so Clifford was obviously out in front."
Think you might be right there. There was nothing between them but what would have they done if Walsh won it?
They use to go to both team hotels years ago, but understandable why they don't do that anymore.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 26/07/2022 20:14:57    2434707

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There will never be another played like David Clifford.... Ever.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 718 - 26/07/2022 21:46:59    2434723

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Clifford is a media darling now and good luck to him - seems like a good lad and is an immense talent but Shane Walsh was absolutely MOTM in AI final. His performance was outrageous. Clifford amazing too but not as good as Walsh on the particular day. Clifford has Walsh on high fielding and height. Walsh has him on pretty much every other front - more skilled, better balanced on both sides, quicker and more. Clifford seems to have a bit more venom, a savage will to win though - and that goes a long way. Two greats. I hope we see more duels in the years ahead.

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 898 - 26/07/2022 21:53:18    2434726

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Replying To Past hurler:  "There will never be another played like David Clifford.... Ever."
There'll never be another "insert many great players name"

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 27/07/2022 07:52:34    2434733

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Replying To Past hurler:  "There will never be another played like David Clifford.... Ever."
Agreed. He's one of the best players I've ever seen. There will never be another Shane Walsh either. Name another player who does what can do?
The top players are always in a mould of their own.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 27/07/2022 08:21:06    2434739

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Replying To county man:  "Think you might be right there. There was nothing between them but what would have they done if Walsh won it?
They use to go to both team hotels years ago, but understandable why they don't do that anymore."
I think there has been other man of the matches playing for the defeated team, the last few seasons as well, Keegan springs to mind for Mayo. If, as I suspect the unwritten criteria is, motm has to be on the winning team, then the GAA should present motm prior to presenting the cup to the winning team post game.

Announce the winner, and let the player walk up the steps of the Hogan, difficult enough if you've lost the game but if you're motm you deserve the reward.

RTE can interview the player later before leaving Croke Park; waiting to announce and reward that evening means you had to win the game to be genuinely considered which is unfair in my opinion.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 27/07/2022 08:27:29    2434740

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For me Clifford is ahead of Walsh…. Shan Walsh is not consistent enough and went missing to an extent v Armagh and Derry… I have the opinion that Walsh can be marked out of a game but it would be almost impossible to do likewise with Clifford… Both excellent players…::

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1904 - 27/07/2022 10:05:50    2434760

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Replying To sam1884:  "I think there has been other man of the matches playing for the defeated team, the last few seasons as well, Keegan springs to mind for Mayo. If, as I suspect the unwritten criteria is, motm has to be on the winning team, then the GAA should present motm prior to presenting the cup to the winning team post game.

Announce the winner, and let the player walk up the steps of the Hogan, difficult enough if you've lost the game but if you're motm you deserve the reward.

RTE can interview the player later before leaving Croke Park; waiting to announce and reward that evening means you had to win the game to be genuinely considered which is unfair in my opinion."
I'd agree with this. Canavan in '95 was one of the most obvious. He was head and shoulders above anyone on the pitch that day.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 27/07/2022 10:50:27    2434779

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Huge fan of Clifford, not just as a footballer, but he has a laid back demeanour I find quite likeable.
I did think though that McStay went way way overboard with his praise of Clifford during the final,( swooning over even the more mundane things), and for me Walsh had the better outing, but of the two, if you ask me who I more look forward to seeing over the next 5 seasons, I'd have to say Clifford.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 27/07/2022 12:03:14    2434823

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "For me Clifford is ahead of Walsh…. Shan Walsh is not consistent enough and went missing to an extent v Armagh and Derry… I have the opinion that Walsh can be marked out of a game but it would be almost impossible to do likewise with Clifford… Both excellent players…::"
Overall, I'd agree, but the question was about Sunday's performances.
They're very different types of players.
Walsh plays much deeper. He carries the ball and runs at players at pace. He has an ability to go either side at pace like no other player I've seen. He then has the ability to kick off either side from distance while running at pace.
A point he scored against Mayo in the 2020 Connacht Final was a great example. He got the ball well inside his own 45 out near the sideline, then took off past a midfielder with Lee Keegan for company too. He ran about 60m turned Keegan inside out 3 times, cut inside and curled it over from distance.
Clifford can't do that, but of course he doesn't need to. He's a brilliant target man, ball winner and one of the best finishers I've ever seen. He's also a very clever player, which is something that doesn't get mentioned enough.
They have different attributes. It was well worth the €90 on Sunday to see both of them show what they can do on the biggest occasion.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 27/07/2022 12:39:21    2434833

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "There'll never be another "insert many great players name""
As the auld lad says, "The graveyards of Ireland are full of people who were 'irreplaceable'"

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 705 - 27/07/2022 12:42:54    2434837

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Replying To Past hurler:  "There will never be another played like David Clifford.... Ever."
Care to elaborate on your reasoning?

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 27/07/2022 13:12:24    2434850

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In other news Messi > Ronaldo...

:-)

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 27/07/2022 13:39:21    2434862

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