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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well of course Offaly do have a 50 per cent record against KK on AIFs also and Galway have the upper hand against LK in Finals also. Of course LK have a perfect record against Dublin, Waterford and Cork also in Finals. We have never met Tipp on an AIF, but we met them in three League Finals and won all three.
However, and this remark is made with total respect to KKs splendid Hurling Tradition, we are a little chuffed on Old Shannonsidr that we have seen off the Cats in Finals in five different decades, three different Centuries and two different Millennia."
"we have seen off the Cats in Finals in five different decades, three different Centuries and two different Millennia"

Since you put it like that, what can I say. Although, Cork and Tipp have done the same, but in more decades. That's something Kilkenny can't brag about against any county, and I'll never see it happen. Still, when a county like Kilkenny has played in nearly half (47%) of all the All-Irelands ever played, that gives the opposing counties a greater chance of success.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1872 - 03/08/2022 10:31:26    2435964

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Replying To Viking66:  "We have lost 11 out of 17 AI finals reached CC. Its not a great record. Limerick have only lost 9 out of 20."
You're missing the point, we're talking about head to head finals.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1872 - 03/08/2022 11:34:57    2435976

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well Clare won two League Finals in the 70s and took KK to a replay in another and beat Limerick and had a few titanic Munster Finals with Cork in that decade. Galway contested two All Ireland's in that decade and won a League in 74 and Waterford knocked in '74 and ran Limerick the reigning champs to a single point. So the field was hardly as narrow as you say before 80."
GAA hurling started in the 1880s, not the 1970s.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1872 - 03/08/2022 11:39:52    2435978

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""we have seen off the Cats in Finals in five different decades, three different Centuries and two different Millennia"

Since you put it like that, what can I say. Although, Cork and Tipp have done the same, but in more decades. That's something Kilkenny can't brag about against any county, and I'll never see it happen. Still, when a county like Kilkenny has played in nearly half (47%) of all the All-Irelands ever played, that gives the opposing counties a greater chance of success."
Sure ye are great altogether!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1372 - 03/08/2022 11:40:26    2435979

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "But I'm not telling someone to shut up. Try and understand the thread before commenting."
Hit a nerve??

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1688 - 03/08/2022 12:12:34    2435984

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Replying To Galway9801:  "With due respect to limerick, there's not even a debate about whose the superior hurling County, them or kilkenny."
The poster I was replying to wants to is talk up Limerick as having the better of their historic rivalry in their fixtures against Kilkenny when this is not the case.
Tipperary are the only county that can say this as all other counties have a negative senior championship record against Kilkenny.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1060 - 03/08/2022 12:26:43    2435988

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "You're missing the point, we're talking about head to head finals."
Ah right. We are ahead in head to head AI finals against Limerick and Galway. While we shared 2 wins each in 4 finals with Tipp through the 60s we are behind them overall in head to head. We have only beaten Cork in 1 final and lost the rest. And we lost to Kerry also. We have never played Clare or Waterford in a final. In fact we have never played either in a semifinal. Which I suppose supports your argument that in general there were only 3 strong counties in Munster prior to the 90s. Up until then Clares record was identical to Laois's. They both won 1 out of 3 final appearances. London won 1 out of 4. Waterford won 2 out of 5. Kerry are the only county with a 100% success rate in finals.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5543 - 03/08/2022 16:09:21    2436052

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Replying To Viking66:  "Ah right. We are ahead in head to head AI finals against Limerick and Galway. While we shared 2 wins each in 4 finals with Tipp through the 60s we are behind them overall in head to head. We have only beaten Cork in 1 final and lost the rest. And we lost to Kerry also. We have never played Clare or Waterford in a final. In fact we have never played either in a semifinal. Which I suppose supports your argument that in general there were only 3 strong counties in Munster prior to the 90s. Up until then Clares record was identical to Laois's. They both won 1 out of 3 final appearances. London won 1 out of 4. Waterford won 2 out of 5. Kerry are the only county with a 100% success rate in finals."
And Limerick footballers also have a 100% success rate in AI finals.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1272 - 03/08/2022 17:00:20    2436069

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Replying To Galway9801:  "With due respect to limerick, there's not even a debate about whose the superior hurling County, them or kilkenny."
I did mention 'with respect to KKs Great Hurling Tradition'- no problem there. We are however proud of our record in Finals against such a power house of the game.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3740 - 03/08/2022 17:28:14    2436077

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "And Limerick footballers also have a 100% success rate in AI finals."
So FY that means we have made 22 appearances in All Ireland Finals at Senior Level and won 13 of them. There are times one finds to be humble, so one does- as DF might say.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3740 - 03/08/2022 18:33:41    2436083

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "GAA hurling started in the 1880s, not the 1970s."
On indeed I am aware of that. I have in fact a special regard for counties that have won All Irelands in three different Centuries, as you might have noticed from my previous contributions.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3740 - 03/08/2022 21:41:16    2436110

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""we have seen off the Cats in Finals in five different decades, three different Centuries and two different Millennia"

Since you put it like that, what can I say. Although, Cork and Tipp have done the same, but in more decades. That's something Kilkenny can't brag about against any county, and I'll never see it happen. Still, when a county like Kilkenny has played in nearly half (47%) of all the All-Irelands ever played, that gives the opposing counties a greater chance of success."
Well Tipp and Cork, like yourselves are powerhouses of the game. Limerick are however a relative minnow, some thing we are always conscious of. We are happy to have had three great teams- sides that have won two or more All Irelands-in the entire history of the game. Although I am an old man I have just seen one of those teams. I missed out on the 1910 to'40 eras when they won 10 Munster Titles, 5 All Irelands and 6 National Leagues- including a 5 in a row.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3740 - 03/08/2022 21:49:26    2436112

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "And Limerick footballers also have a 100% success rate in AI finals."
We won 5 out of 8 appeared in. Not too bad of a record.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5543 - 04/08/2022 07:03:38    2436114

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Replying To Viking66:  "We won 5 out of 8 appeared in. Not too bad of a record."
Not Bad as you say, but as a Model County Supporter there is so much more to be proud of. Wexford was
(1) the first county to win four All Ireland Senior Titles in a row
(2) the first county to play in 6 All Ireland Senior Finals in a row and
(3) the first county to have won Back to Back All Irelands in both Codes, '15 to '18 in Football and '55-'56 in hurling. It would be 32 more years before Galway equalled that achievement, to be followed by Cork two years later.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3740 - 04/08/2022 10:45:08    2436141

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Not Bad as you say, but as a Model County Supporter there is so much more to be proud of. Wexford was
(1) the first county to win four All Ireland Senior Titles in a row
(2) the first county to play in 6 All Ireland Senior Finals in a row and
(3) the first county to have won Back to Back All Irelands in both Codes, '15 to '18 in Football and '55-'56 in hurling. It would be 32 more years before Galway equalled that achievement, to be followed by Cork two years later."
Ah yes OTM as a county we have plenty to be proud of especially considering we, like yourselves, would be a "mid table" county as regards playing numbers and numbers of clubs. Offaly came close, within 2 points, in 95 to achieving back to backs in both football and hurling also.
If we had won in 54 when we lost by 3 points to Cork we would be the only county to have achieved a 3 in a row in both.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5543 - 04/08/2022 11:49:23    2436165

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