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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To baire:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=baire:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Dublin! I see that you've got your sense of humour back since Cody retired! lol"

Up to 1980, Dublin played in 53 Leinster finals, winning 23 of the them. They also played in 21 All-Ireland finals, winning 6. If they weren't a 'top' county, they certainly competed regularly in finals against the top counties. Likewise, Limerick who played in 37 Munter finals and 13 AI finals.

"I asked you the question because you responded to another poster by saying that you only lost more than you won to two top counties, LK and Tipp".

If you read all the comments on this topic you'll see it is another poster who said "both Tipp and Limerick have the advantage over KK on Final day meetings" someone else replied "they [KK
also have lost to more times than they have beaten several other top counties". My reply to him, was to point out that 'several' is not the same as 'two'."
The last AI Dublin won in the hurling was 1938. They had one Dublin player on the team.
Tough on Waterford who had won Munster and had beaten Galway to meet another team of country hurlers posing as Dubs!"]What are you babbling on about?"]Did you not know that there was only one Dublin born player on that Dublin team, that the rest of them were from Tipp and other counties who worked in Dublin and played for their home clubs down the country at the weekend?"]"Did you not know that there was only one Dublin born player on that Dublin team, that the rest of them were from Tipp and other counties who worked in Dublin and played for their home clubs down the country at the weekend?"

Yes, I knew all this, and more. I repeat, why are you babbling on about Dublin, and to me?"]Because you're such a nice, understanding and amenable poster that I couldn't resist your charm and uplifting nature. Enjoy your evening!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1806 - 30/07/2022 18:47:00    2435502

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Good stats , think in terms of finals during Cody's reign that Tipperary broke even winning three (10, 16, 19) and losing three (09, 11, 14 ). Same could be said for Cork winning in 99, 04 and losing in 03 and 06. Limerick avenged their 07 defeat by beating KK in this years final. Cody was in bonus territory with an AI final win against Waterford, Clare and Offaly and two against Galway.
Of the seven finals that KK didn't reach during Cody's 24 years in charge they were stopped twice by Cork, Galway & Waterford and once by Limerick."
But Cody definitely had the upper hand on Tipperary in his time, he won a few semifinals also. Overall in championship against Tipperary as manager he won 7, lost 3 (inc last 2 meetings) and drew 1. This was a reversal of the previous historic trend of the rivalry.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 31/07/2022 11:26:52    2435569

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""they also have lost to more times than they have beaten several other top counties".
Not 'several', two. Limerick and Tipp."
It's interesting that the Munster hurling counties used to say Kilkenny would have not have won as many all Irelands had they been located in Munster but then Kilkenny's most successful era coincided with the back door era when if good enough more than one Munster team would get a shot at beating them.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 31/07/2022 11:33:50    2435571

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""they also have lost to more times than they have beaten several other top counties".
Not 'several', two. Limerick and Tipp."
Looking at Wikipedia Limerick have the edge in finals but in all championship Limerick have won 6 and lost 9 against Kilkenny. Didn't look at all counties but appears Tipp is the only county with positive record in the head to head against Kilkenny.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 01/08/2022 15:28:32    2435757

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "But Cody definitely had the upper hand on Tipperary in his time, he won a few semifinals also. Overall in championship against Tipperary as manager he won 7, lost 3 (inc last 2 meetings) and drew 1. This was a reversal of the previous historic trend of the rivalry."
Absolutely correct there. Traditionally, Tipp had the upper hand over Kilkenny but that was reversed under Cody. It's 3 all though in All Ireland Finals between Kilkenny under Cody and Tipp with as you say Tipp winning the last two 2016 and 2019 and also 2010. Kilkenny beat Tipp in 2009, 2011 and 2014 replay.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 01/08/2022 16:58:12    2435783

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "That's a bit rich coming from you. You're hardly the shyest one on here when it comes to giving an opinion. Anyway, it's a public forum, he's entitled to his two cents worth."
Dear kettle...

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 01/08/2022 18:09:10    2435793

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Looking at Wikipedia Limerick have the edge in finals but in all championship Limerick have won 6 and lost 9 against Kilkenny. Didn't look at all counties but appears Tipp is the only county with positive record in the head to head against Kilkenny."
Ye but Finals are still the real gauge. That is when the stakes are highest.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 01/08/2022 19:49:32    2435813

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Looking at Wikipedia Limerick have the edge in finals but in all championship Limerick have won 6 and lost 9 against Kilkenny. Didn't look at all counties but appears Tipp is the only county with positive record in the head to head against Kilkenny."
Ye but Finals are still the real gauge. That is when the stakes are highest.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 01/08/2022 19:50:52    2435814

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Replying To katser:  "Or slider off like a snake."
Slither even

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 372 - 01/08/2022 21:24:02    2435828

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Replying To Bon:  "Dear kettle..."
But I'm not telling someone to shut up. Try and understand the thread before commenting.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2474 - 01/08/2022 21:54:25    2435831

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Looking at Wikipedia Limerick have the edge in finals but in all championship Limerick have won 6 and lost 9 against Kilkenny. Didn't look at all counties but appears Tipp is the only county with positive record in the head to head against Kilkenny."
Correct. Tipp are the only county who have beaten Kilkenny more times in Championship hurling.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2474 - 01/08/2022 21:57:34    2435832

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "It depends on how you define a 'top' hurling county, anyway, why are you asking me? I never said anything about 'top hurling counties'. But since you ask, there were 6 top hurling counties up until the 1980s, 3 in Munster (Cork, Limerick and Tipperary), and 3 in Leinster (Dublin, Kilkenny and Wexford)."
Well Clare won two League Finals in the 70s and took KK to a replay in another and beat Limerick and had a few titanic Munster Finals with Cork in that decade. Galway contested two All Ireland's in that decade and won a League in 74 and Waterford knocked in '74 and ran Limerick the reigning champs to a single point. So the field was hardly as narrow as you say before 80.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 02/08/2022 08:05:13    2435837

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To baire:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Dublin! I see that you've got your sense of humour back since Cody retired! lol"

Up to 1980, Dublin played in 53 Leinster finals, winning 23 of the them. They also played in 21 All-Ireland finals, winning 6. If they weren't a 'top' county, they certainly competed regularly in finals against the top counties. Likewise, Limerick who played in 37 Munter finals and 13 AI finals.

"I asked you the question because you responded to another poster by saying that you only lost more than you won to two top counties, LK and Tipp".

If you read all the comments on this topic you'll see it is another poster who said "both Tipp and Limerick have the advantage over KK on Final day meetings" someone else replied "they [KK
also have lost to more times than they have beaten several other top counties". My reply to him, was to point out that 'several' is not the same as 'two'."
The last AI Dublin won in the hurling was 1938. They had one Dublin player on the team.
Tough on Waterford who had won Munster and had beaten Galway to meet another team of country hurlers posing as Dubs!"]What are you babbling on about?"]And I read somewhere that the one 'Dublin born player' was actually a hardy two year old, when he hit the Capital- he was in fact a Cavan native- probably even a greater Cavan Hurler than the brilliant Seanie Johnson. In fact no other Dublin All Ireland Hurling Medalist was born in the county either.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 02/08/2022 08:31:30    2435840

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ye but Finals are still the real gauge. That is when the stakes are highest."
Finals are the year's show piece game all right and it's a feather in Limericks cap that you have a positive record in finals (5-4) against Kilkenny but clearly Kilkenny obviously have the edge overall in their rivalry against ye (6-9).
Some years, depending how the draw falls, a semifinal can have the feeling of being the 'real final'.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 02/08/2022 13:55:48    2435888

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ye but Finals are still the real gauge. That is when the stakes are highest."
Is that why Wexford and Offaly are better than Limerick when it comes to finals?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2474 - 02/08/2022 14:20:59    2435890

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Slither even"
Ah Shocs, try to be nice. Everyone is allowed an odd typo every now and again.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1915 - 02/08/2022 14:51:02    2435898

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Is that why Wexford and Offaly are better than Limerick when it comes to finals?"
We have lost 11 out of 17 AI finals reached CC. Its not a great record. Limerick have only lost 9 out of 20.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11879 - 02/08/2022 17:08:20    2435918

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Ah Shocs, try to be nice. Everyone is allowed an odd typo every now and again."
Bullocks!

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2474 - 02/08/2022 17:13:32    2435921

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Finals are the year's show piece game all right and it's a feather in Limericks cap that you have a positive record in finals (5-4) against Kilkenny but clearly Kilkenny obviously have the edge overall in their rivalry against ye (6-9).
Some years, depending how the draw falls, a semifinal can have the feeling of being the 'real final'."
With due respect to limerick, there's not even a debate about whose the superior hurling County, them or kilkenny.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1709 - 02/08/2022 19:08:39    2435935

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Is that why Wexford and Offaly are better than Limerick when it comes to finals?"
Well of course Offaly do have a 50 per cent record against KK on AIFs also and Galway have the upper hand against LK in Finals also. Of course LK have a perfect record against Dublin, Waterford and Cork also in Finals. We have never met Tipp on an AIF, but we met them in three League Finals and won all three.
However, and this remark is made with total respect to KKs splendid Hurling Tradition, we are a little chuffed on Old Shannonsidr that we have seen off the Cats in Finals in five different decades, three different Centuries and two different Millennia.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 03/08/2022 07:41:09    2435949

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