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Brian Cody steps down

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Replying To Past hurler:  "A Wexford man worried about limelight been taken away from a football final, i''ve heard it all now.

Brian Cody a living legend, will never be another manager in the history of Irish sport like him."
A Wexford football man to be fair....but if that was true would he not have done it on the day the Kilkenny camogie team were in an All-Ireland semi final either?
People read too much in to things.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 24/07/2022 17:58:54    2433964

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I think everybody in Leinster probably felt a certain element of Stockholm Syndrome with Kilkenny at times. As they walloped Dublin and Wexford and Offaly more times than we all care to remember, it was hard not to admire his teams.
There is no disputing the greatness of the man for me. The first rabbit from the hat I remember with Cody was John Hoyne in 2002-03 final? Quite literally had never even heard of him once.
But his record speaks for itself. I think the Munster counties are now in the process of learning what it was like to be in Leinster with Kilkenny for the last 20 years. Limerick were without their hurler of the year for the year and still beat them all.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 24/07/2022 18:03:09    2433967

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Cody left a stain on his great record with his awful attitude to Shefflin.

crafty (Galway) - Posts: 249 - 24/07/2022 19:18:18    2434002

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "You take about all Ireland losses and some losses that never happened but I guess Galway hurling know All about all Ireland losses."
No, Pope Benedict is right, if he had lost all the All Ireland finals he actually won, he'd have had a terrible record.

[Face palm]

I think I'd nearly prefer to see the real Pope Benedict's opinion on Cody, it would be more knowledgeable!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 24/07/2022 19:52:28    2434027

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Replying To crafty:  "Cody left a stain on his great record with his awful attitude to Shefflin."
I don't think anyone in Kilkenny was happy about Cody's handshake fiasco with Shefflin. Shefflin is still a legend in the county plus he had lost his brother earlier in the year, it was all very unnecessary.

My understanding is Henry turned down an opportunity to join the KK backroom team (he probably knew being an understudy to Cody would mean little or no say in team selection or tactics) to take the Galway senior job, a great role for him. Cody was obviously piqued and was going to let Henry know. As I previously mentioned, Cody could be quite petty and unfortunately this was an example.

But when the history of the game in the 21st century is being written, I don't think "handshakegate" will leave an indelible stain on Cody's record.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 24/07/2022 20:09:07    2434034

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Brian told us what he is all about with his statement "it is not will you die for the team but who will you kill ". The incident with Henry was another example if you are not with Kilkenny you are the enemy. That is him being Kilkenny down to his toes nails, like it or not. That was his expectation from anyone who played for him. That is what drove him to success and also his teams. Hard act to follow but--- but--- it is Kilkenny.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 24/07/2022 20:14:47    2434037

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I think everybody in Leinster probably felt a certain element of Stockholm Syndrome with Kilkenny at times. As they walloped Dublin and Wexford and Offaly more times than we all care to remember, it was hard not to admire his teams.
There is no disputing the greatness of the man for me. The first rabbit from the hat I remember with Cody was John Hoyne in 2002-03 final? Quite literally had never even heard of him once.
But his record speaks for itself. I think the Munster counties are now in the process of learning what it was like to be in Leinster with Kilkenny for the last 20 years. Limerick were without their hurler of the year for the year and still beat them all."
They handed out some hidings alright, absolutely battered teams out the gate at times. That final against Waterford was frightening stuff, the most complete team performance ever.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 24/07/2022 20:31:10    2434050

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Replying To Canuck:  "Brian told us what he is all about with his statement "it is not will you die for the team but who will you kill ". The incident with Henry was another example if you are not with Kilkenny you are the enemy. That is him being Kilkenny down to his toes nails, like it or not. That was his expectation from anyone who played for him. That is what drove him to success and also his teams. Hard act to follow but--- but--- it is Kilkenny."
He wasn't thst way with Eddie Brennan though, think they had a warm handshake after a game a few years back.
I think Henry turned down a chance to be in Cody's backroom team, also, the day of that famous handshake Cody lost that game, which probably contributed more than anything.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 24/07/2022 20:39:19    2434056

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I don't think anyone in Kilkenny was happy about Cody's handshake fiasco with Shefflin. Shefflin is still a legend in the county plus he had lost his brother earlier in the year, it was all very unnecessary.

My understanding is Henry turned down an opportunity to join the KK backroom team (he probably knew being an understudy to Cody would mean little or no say in team selection or tactics) to take the Galway senior job, a great role for him. Cody was obviously piqued and was going to let Henry know. As I previously mentioned, Cody could be quite petty and unfortunately this was an example.

But when the history of the game in the 21st century is being written, I don't think "handshakegate" will leave an indelible stain on Cody's record."
Bill Shankley said football is not a matter of life and death, it is far more important. Of course he didn't mean this to be taken seriously. You'd wonder about Cody though!

crafty (Galway) - Posts: 249 - 24/07/2022 21:47:13    2434077

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Replying To crafty:  "Bill Shankley said football is not a matter of life and death, it is far more important. Of course he didn't mean this to be taken seriously. You'd wonder about Cody though!"
The Shankley quote is often interpreted out of context.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."

What isn't mentioned is the following sentence where Shankly says:

"My family's suffered. They've been neglected"

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 25/07/2022 09:06:05    2434101

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The Shankley quote is often interpreted out of context.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."

What isn't mentioned is the following sentence where Shankly says:

"My family's suffered. They've been neglected""
Big difference was Shankly brought a team that was in 2nd Division obscurity to being on the threshold of becoming Kings in Europe. Kilkenny have always been successful at hurling. He sorted everything from the infrastructure at the training ground to the scouting network, as well as overhauling the playing staff. It would be like Cody going to Laois, who hadn't won an AI in years, and getting them to the top. Only Cody wouldn't have been able to sign the players needed like Shankly did, although in fairness to Shankly he got alot of the great Liverpool team of the 70s from lower League and even non League clubs for relatively small money.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 25/07/2022 11:07:38    2434148

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If one headline sums up Cody, it was in one newspaper (2014 I think, after beating tipperary)
It read "Cody wins all Ireland, blasts media".
I think he took issue with some people writing off some of his older players.
Even immediately after winning an all Ireland, he still had that competition in him, willing to take people on. Poor Marty got a dose of it in 09 too lol.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 25/07/2022 11:58:17    2434172

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Replying To Galway9801:  "He wasn't thst way with Eddie Brennan though, think they had a warm handshake after a game a few years back.
I think Henry turned down a chance to be in Cody's backroom team, also, the day of that famous handshake Cody lost that game, which probably contributed more than anything."
Yeah but Eddie Brennan and Laois we're never going to be a threat to Kilkenny the same way Galway are.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 25/07/2022 13:11:04    2434219

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Replying To Bon:  "Yeah but Eddie Brennan and Laois we're never going to be a threat to Kilkenny the same way Galway are."
D J Will get the job.

Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 25/07/2022 18:23:08    2434405

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Definitely the best hurling manager of all time, but I think that Mick O'Dwyer is the best GAA manager of all time.

He also won multiple All Irelands with Kerry but in addition won Leinster with Kildare & Laois after huge number of years in the wilderness for them and also got to the last 12 with Wicklow. To have success with all these counties, especially when some hadn't won anything for decades is a bigger achievement in my view.

But when Cody swaps roles with Sheflin and leads Galway to next years All Ireland I might change my mind though....

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 25/07/2022 20:15:51    2434426

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I don't think anyone in Kilkenny was happy about Cody's handshake fiasco with Shefflin. Shefflin is still a legend in the county plus he had lost his brother earlier in the year, it was all very unnecessary.

My understanding is Henry turned down an opportunity to join the KK backroom team (he probably knew being an understudy to Cody would mean little or no say in team selection or tactics) to take the Galway senior job, a great role for him. Cody was obviously piqued and was going to let Henry know. As I previously mentioned, Cody could be quite petty and unfortunately this was an example.

But when the history of the game in the 21st century is being written, I don't think "handshakegate" will leave an indelible stain on Cody's record."
Nor do I ballydalane. Find me a sportsman who hasn't done something they shouldn't have, either on or off the field.
Cody is a legend and so is Shefflin. And both will be immortal when the annals of the game are written - they will be discussed in the same breath as Ring and Rackard.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 27/07/2022 11:37:06    2434816

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Replying To Bon:  "They handed out some hidings alright, absolutely battered teams out the gate at times. That final against Waterford was frightening stuff, the most complete team performance ever."
Kilkenny's reign lasted a long, long time. I don't think Limerick are in a similar position.

The only team they battered out the gate in the Munster Championship was Cork, who made it easy for them by the way they played.

They beat Waterford by 3 points, an aging Tipp team by 6 points, and drew with Clare in the round robin, before beating them by 3 points in the Munster final after extra time. Hardly similar to what Kilkenny were doing to teams in Leinster for ten years.

No Munster county fears Limerick at the moment, although they certainly respect them.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 27/07/2022 12:41:17    2434835

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Replying To Midleton:  "Kilkenny's reign lasted a long, long time. I don't think Limerick are in a similar position.

The only team they battered out the gate in the Munster Championship was Cork, who made it easy for them by the way they played.

They beat Waterford by 3 points, an aging Tipp team by 6 points, and drew with Clare in the round robin, before beating them by 3 points in the Munster final after extra time. Hardly similar to what Kilkenny were doing to teams in Leinster for ten years.

No Munster county fears Limerick at the moment, although they certainly respect them."
From the late mid 00s til the early mid teens we were poor enough. Offaly fell off a cliff. Dublin and then Galway only started offering them competition in the early teens too. Has to be said though that during the 10 years you are talking about they beat most Munster counties they played including dishing out some hammerings. Even the 7 points they beat Clare by in 2002 was a big win in the context of AI finals generally up to that. The 8 point losses to Cork and Tipp in 2004 and 2010 and the 9 point loss in 2016 were the only times I remember teams getting a run on them up until 2019.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 27/07/2022 14:50:40    2434880

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Replying To Midleton:  "Kilkenny's reign lasted a long, long time. I don't think Limerick are in a similar position.

The only team they battered out the gate in the Munster Championship was Cork, who made it easy for them by the way they played.

They beat Waterford by 3 points, an aging Tipp team by 6 points, and drew with Clare in the round robin, before beating them by 3 points in the Munster final after extra time. Hardly similar to what Kilkenny were doing to teams in Leinster for ten years.

No Munster county fears Limerick at the moment, although they certainly respect them."
While no Munster county fears Limerick it has to be remembered that no Munster county has beaten them in a Championship game since Tipp beat them 4 seasons ago before losing to them a few weeks later.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 27/07/2022 14:54:17    2434882

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A tribute to Mister Cody:

https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/08/goat.html

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 04/08/2022 17:54:15    2436243

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