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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "typical kilkenny co board, go public with the story this weekend, try take away attention from the football final" A Wexford man worried about limelight been taken away from a football final, i''ve heard it all now.
Brian Cody a living legend, will never be another manager in the history of Irish sport like him.
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Replying To OhtobeARossie: "That's the way to keep the talk about hurling on all Ireland football weekend.
Waited 24 years just couldn't wait 4 or so days." Cody leaving or not, A pairing of Galway v Kerry was never going to generate the same level of interest as Limerick v Kilkenny.
I actually forgot the football was on this Sunday until I got reminded this morning.
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Thank you Mister Cody for all the excitement over the years and raising the standards of hurling to what we see today. The greatest manager GAA has ever seen. If there's one moment I'd pick out it is Brian's celebrations at the end of the 2006 all Ireland final. We all thought an excellent Cork team were on the verge of taking over. Cody went mad when Kilkenny won and then his team won 8 of 10 2006-2015. His celebrations at the end of the 06 final summed up what the Black and Amber means to him.
Some man. Hurling won't be quite the same without that baseball cap on the sidelines.
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Won't see his like again, one of the greatest ever managers in sport.
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He broke out hearts many many times, but I have to say I will miss him! What he did will never be done again! A great hurling man
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 23/07/2022 20:45:27
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Lost his first All Ireland Final as Manager by 1 point and lost his last All Ireland Final by 2 points. In between, he won 11 All Irelands by margins of victory ranging from 3 points to 23 points. Not alone the greatest ever hurling Manager. The greatest ever gaa Manager. Internationally, have their been better Managers of Sports teams. Cody's right up there with the likes of Alex Ferguson . Happy retirement to Brian Cody of James Stephens and Kilkenny.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 23/07/2022 20:54:22
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Replying To tiobraid: "You'd rule him completely out? I'm sure there are plenty of candidates but at the very least he's surely a candidate for it? I'd be surprised if Eddie Brennan got it for example. Doubt they will rush into it. Realistically they have a couple of months to sort it out but they won't want to delay much longer either." No (ruling him out), that's not my point. As I've said before, others in Kilkenny may no better than me. But, Shefflin was offered the chance to join Cody's management team, he declined and went and joined Galway. This didn't go down well with everyone in Kilkenny, how many and who (people with influence), I don't know. The infamous handshake was maybe an indication of this. I would find it hard to believe that a county like Galway, when hiring Shefflin on a 3 year contract, did not get assurances, whether written or verbal, from Shefflin that he wouldn't walk away after 6 months if the KK job became vacant.
Personally, I have nothing against Shefflin, and think he would be an ideal candidate for the job. I also wished him well when he took the Galway job, something he must have thought long and hard about. I think it would be hugely insulting to the people of Galway if he was to walk away from them now, and a lasting stain on his character.
My choice for the next manager of Kilkenny would be DJ Carey.
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Lost his last 3 finals, which certainly suggested that unlike Rumplestiltskin, he could not spin straw into gold. When Tommy, JJ, Henry, Ritchie etc retired, it was over, in terms of winning all-irelands anyway. He was possibly lucky that Galway pipped Tipp in the '15 semi, or it might have been 4 losses for a finish, and shure twasnt far off 5 losses, if 'hawkeye' hadn't come up big at the end of the '14 drawn game.
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A great player, a great manager & the epitome of the true GAA volunteer. Honesty, Integrity & Grit were his attributes, a man who put the game, his county & players first as a manager, never himself. The greatest manager in the history of the GAA with a record that will never be surpassed. Enjoy your time now with your family.
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Lost his last 3 finals, which certainly suggested that unlike Rumplestiltskin, he could not spin straw into gold. When Tommy, JJ, Henry, Ritchie etc retired, it was over, in terms of winning all-irelands anyway. He was possibly lucky that Galway pipped Tipp in the '15 semi, or it might have been 4 losses for a finish, and shure twasnt far off 5 losses, if 'hawkeye' hadn't come up big at the end of the '14 drawn game." Sure, could Tipp not have won the replay in 2014, no?
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 24/07/2022 08:32:22
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Replying To ballydalane: "Sure, could Tipp not have won the replay in 2014, no?" Kilkenny were the better team in the replay in 2014 but Tipp could certainly have won the drawn game and O'Dwyer had the chance at the death to do so with the free but Hawkeye said wide. Cody also won the replayed All Ireland Final in 2012 v Galway. He learned from draws and made the changes for the replay. Think Dublin did beat him in a replay in 2013.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 24/07/2022 09:53:49
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A sad day, really. I know a lot of Kilkenny folk who will be delighted he's gone and think his old fashioned tactics were holding the team back for years. Maybe. I'm not convinced, time will tell.
They're right in that he wasn't a tactics or a stats man, but what he was was a brilliant judge of player. He knew exactly what type of player he wanted in the panel, and every player knew exactly what was expected of them if they wanted to remain in that panel. Consistency over decades.
People will point to the fact that he had great players like Shefflin, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh etc., that is true. But some examples of his particular type of genius here. The 2012 All Ireland final replay v Galway. He hands an intercounty debut to a 21 year old junior club hurler Walter Walsh, unknown outside Kilkenny and scarcely known within either! Walter scores 1-3 (I think!) and wins Man of the Match!
2014 All Ireland Final replay v Tipp. Cody drops his first choice centre back Brian Hogan, and replaces him with Kieran Joyce who had barely any game time in that championship. Joyce wins Man of the Match!
What other manager would make those calls before an All Ireland Final? Giving a 21 year old his debut, and replacing the centre back. And both winning MOTM! Absolute confidence in his own judgement of players, and infusing players with absolute confidence in their own ability.
Even this year, Kilkenny were probably ranked 7th in the country, 6th at best. Behind all the Munster counties and possibly Galway too. Facing Clare in the semi final. Clare, the only team that could give Limerick a game apparently. Cody's team savages Clare in probably a Kilkenny team's best performance since 2014. Of course the narrative afterwards was "Clare really weren't that good, anyway"! And running a brilliant Limerick team to 2 points in the final with, let's face it, a vastly inferior team in most positions. A bit like Mourinho finishing 2nd with a poor United team, maybe this year was Cody's best achievement of all!
And let's not forget, who is still the last manager to have defeated John Kiely's Limerick in the championship?
It would be remiss of me not to mention his less endearing qualities. He was cold and ruthless with players who he felt were surplus to requirements, he could be petty and vindictive in the extreme. Even subbing players off, not so much as a "well done", a clap on the back of even a sideways glance! "You're coming off and if you don't like it, don't come looking to me for sympathy!" But at least all players were treated the same, and they knew where they stood. Plus he was an awful loser. But what great coaches in any sport were ever good losers?!
Hope he has a happy retirement from management and is free to pursue his other interests (which incidentally is, eh, going to as many hurling games as he can fit into his day)!
Happy retirement Brian, thanks for all you have done for Kilkenny hurling.
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Regardless of whether Cody is there or not Kilkenny will always be All Ireland contenders… They contended before there was a word of Cody and they will contend when he is gone….. nothing much will change…" I'm not so sure they actually were real contenders in the 5 years or so before he took over. If I was a kilkenny man I'd be worried that another manager can't get the same out these players. We've seen long term managers retire in other sports and they slipped backwards. Tyrone maybe being the exception last year.
Don't get me wrong though, of course they will always be up there but it's a tough job now. However he leaves them in a good place with basically a new team that competed with Kk. They're a young team now with the exception of TJ who obviously can't be replaced directly when he goes.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "No (ruling him out), that's not my point. As I've said before, others in Kilkenny may no better than me. But, Shefflin was offered the chance to join Cody's management team, he declined and went and joined Galway. This didn't go down well with everyone in Kilkenny, how many and who (people with influence), I don't know. The infamous handshake was maybe an indication of this. I would find it hard to believe that a county like Galway, when hiring Shefflin on a 3 year contract, did not get assurances, whether written or verbal, from Shefflin that he wouldn't walk away after 6 months if the KK job became vacant.
Personally, I have nothing against Shefflin, and think he would be an ideal candidate for the job. I also wished him well when he took the Galway job, something he must have thought long and hard about. I think it would be hugely insulting to the people of Galway if he was to walk away from them now, and a lasting stain on his character.
My choice for the next manager of Kilkenny would be DJ Carey." I take your points but not so sure it would be insulting to the people to Galway. After Cody you could argue Shefflin is Kk hurling. He lives and breeds it too. I chatted to a few Galway people last night and was winding them up about having to look for a new manager and everyone of them said they'd fully understand if Shefflin went back to Kk this winter.
As you say tho he may not be too of their list so time will tell
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Lost his last 3 finals, which certainly suggested that unlike Rumplestiltskin, he could not spin straw into gold. When Tommy, JJ, Henry, Ritchie etc retired, it was over, in terms of winning all-irelands anyway. He was possibly lucky that Galway pipped Tipp in the '15 semi, or it might have been 4 losses for a finish, and shure twasnt far off 5 losses, if 'hawkeye' hadn't come up big at the end of the '14 drawn game." You take about all Ireland losses and some losses that never happened but I guess Galway hurling know All about all Ireland losses.
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Replying To ballydalane: "A sad day, really. I know a lot of Kilkenny folk who will be delighted he's gone and think his old fashioned tactics were holding the team back for years. Maybe. I'm not convinced, time will tell.
They're right in that he wasn't a tactics or a stats man, but what he was was a brilliant judge of player. He knew exactly what type of player he wanted in the panel, and every player knew exactly what was expected of them if they wanted to remain in that panel. Consistency over decades.
People will point to the fact that he had great players like Shefflin, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh etc., that is true. But some examples of his particular type of genius here. The 2012 All Ireland final replay v Galway. He hands an intercounty debut to a 21 year old junior club hurler Walter Walsh, unknown outside Kilkenny and scarcely known within either! Walter scores 1-3 (I think!) and wins Man of the Match!
2014 All Ireland Final replay v Tipp. Cody drops his first choice centre back Brian Hogan, and replaces him with Kieran Joyce who had barely any game time in that championship. Joyce wins Man of the Match!
What other manager would make those calls before an All Ireland Final? Giving a 21 year old his debut, and replacing the centre back. And both winning MOTM! Absolute confidence in his own judgement of players, and infusing players with absolute confidence in their own ability.
Even this year, Kilkenny were probably ranked 7th in the country, 6th at best. Behind all the Munster counties and possibly Galway too. Facing Clare in the semi final. Clare, the only team that could give Limerick a game apparently. Cody's team savages Clare in probably a Kilkenny team's best performance since 2014. Of course the narrative afterwards was "Clare really weren't that good, anyway"! And running a brilliant Limerick team to 2 points in the final with, let's face it, a vastly inferior team in most positions. A bit like Mourinho finishing 2nd with a poor United team, maybe this year was Cody's best achievement of all!
And let's not forget, who is still the last manager to have defeated John Kiely's Limerick in the championship?
It would be remiss of me not to mention his less endearing qualities. He was cold and ruthless with players who he felt were surplus to requirements, he could be petty and vindictive in the extreme. Even subbing players off, not so much as a "well done", a clap on the back of even a sideways glance! "You're coming off and if you don't like it, don't come looking to me for sympathy!" But at least all players were treated the same, and they knew where they stood. Plus he was an awful loser. But what great coaches in any sport were ever good losers?!
Hope he has a happy retirement from management and is free to pursue his other interests (which incidentally is, eh, going to as many hurling games as he can fit into his day)!
Happy retirement Brian, thanks for all you have done for Kilkenny hurling." In fairness those less endearing qualities are what probably made him so successful. A nice man wouldn't have won 11 all Irelands as manager I can guarantee you.
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Replying To endgame: "Kilkenny were the better team in the replay in 2014 but Tipp could certainly have won the drawn game and O'Dwyer had the chance at the death to do so with the free but Hawkeye said wide. Cody also won the replayed All Ireland Final in 2012 v Galway. He learned from draws and made the changes for the replay. Think Dublin did beat him in a replay in 2013." Why, should wides count as points?
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 24/07/2022 13:24:16
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Replying To ballydalane: "A sad day, really. I know a lot of Kilkenny folk who will be delighted he's gone and think his old fashioned tactics were holding the team back for years. Maybe. I'm not convinced, time will tell.
They're right in that he wasn't a tactics or a stats man, but what he was was a brilliant judge of player. He knew exactly what type of player he wanted in the panel, and every player knew exactly what was expected of them if they wanted to remain in that panel. Consistency over decades.
People will point to the fact that he had great players like Shefflin, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh etc., that is true. But some examples of his particular type of genius here. The 2012 All Ireland final replay v Galway. He hands an intercounty debut to a 21 year old junior club hurler Walter Walsh, unknown outside Kilkenny and scarcely known within either! Walter scores 1-3 (I think!) and wins Man of the Match!
2014 All Ireland Final replay v Tipp. Cody drops his first choice centre back Brian Hogan, and replaces him with Kieran Joyce who had barely any game time in that championship. Joyce wins Man of the Match!
What other manager would make those calls before an All Ireland Final? Giving a 21 year old his debut, and replacing the centre back. And both winning MOTM! Absolute confidence in his own judgement of players, and infusing players with absolute confidence in their own ability.
Even this year, Kilkenny were probably ranked 7th in the country, 6th at best. Behind all the Munster counties and possibly Galway too. Facing Clare in the semi final. Clare, the only team that could give Limerick a game apparently. Cody's team savages Clare in probably a Kilkenny team's best performance since 2014. Of course the narrative afterwards was "Clare really weren't that good, anyway"! And running a brilliant Limerick team to 2 points in the final with, let's face it, a vastly inferior team in most positions. A bit like Mourinho finishing 2nd with a poor United team, maybe this year was Cody's best achievement of all!
And let's not forget, who is still the last manager to have defeated John Kiely's Limerick in the championship?
It would be remiss of me not to mention his less endearing qualities. He was cold and ruthless with players who he felt were surplus to requirements, he could be petty and vindictive in the extreme. Even subbing players off, not so much as a "well done", a clap on the back of even a sideways glance! "You're coming off and if you don't like it, don't come looking to me for sympathy!" But at least all players were treated the same, and they knew where they stood. Plus he was an awful loser. But what great coaches in any sport were ever good losers?!
Hope he has a happy retirement from management and is free to pursue his other interests (which incidentally is, eh, going to as many hurling games as he can fit into his day)!
Happy retirement Brian, thanks for all you have done for Kilkenny hurling." I've often felt that is was this coldness and ruthlessness which was one of his best traits as a manager. He was there to win, not to make friends. Everything was done for the greater good. He didn't let any player get notions about themselves and this kept his players humble and hungry.
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Kind of surprised at this, thought a few years ago maybe he should have went but now he seemed to have left Kilkenny best placed of the hurling counties to challenge Limerick.
Kilkenny were always fairly successful but he seemed to change what it meant to be a Kilkenny hurler which made them for a time almost unbeatable. Pre Cody you always thought of Kilkenny as the artisans of hurling, all about flicks, touch and skill. Under Cody Kilkenny still had great skilful players but teams who played with on the edge, had power and with unmatched determination to do what was needed to get the better of teams. I loved watching the way Cody had them play, real traditional hurling.
I can't see Shefflin leaving Galway in the lurch (I also don't think will ask him anyway), would be disappointed in him if he did.
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