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Galway V Kerry All Ireland Final 2022

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Joyce and the Galway fans are obviously disappointed but trying to pin defeat on the officials is just poor form and a cop out. Yes the free was probably soft but the Galway keeper should have had a blatant black card and the referee showed some discretion there. Even after the free there was time for Galway to come back yet Kerry showed the poise to see it out. Wise up Galway, this just sounds like sour grapes and deflection."
That was a free out 99 times out of 100.
Simple as.
It turned the game and the momentum.
No Galwayman begrudges Kerry their victory.
He just said what everyone was thinking.

StopTheLights (Galway) - Posts: 343 - 25/07/2022 15:48:10    2434327

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Replying To Waveitwide:  "1980,1994,1996 and 2007 all Ireland hurling finals,such self belief before you invented the game of hurling in 2018."
A Munster team, unbelievable!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1816 - 25/07/2022 15:58:43    2434333

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Really enjoyed the match yesterday, a superb exhibition of some of the finest skills in the game- superb long distance point taking; high fielding; and clean dispossessions. Shane Walsh was on fire for most of the game (ably assisted by Cillian McDaid) and damn near threatened to win the game on his own. Galway gave it socks and can feel proud of their performance, although defeat will undoubtedly sting for the next few weeks.

The main factors in the winning and losing of the game (for me anyway) were the following:

1. Galway needed Walsh, Comer and Conroy to catch fire in order to win, given that Kerry probably possess a wider spread of scorers in their side. Walsh rose to the occasion but the other two were well-shackled by Kerry's man markers.

2. Goalies are and always have been the most important players in any gaelic football team, the ones who can lose a game in an instant through a lapse of concentration. I played there for many years myself and it always grates to hear that a goalie's most important asset is his kickout, or to hear talk about how vital it is to be disrupting the opposition's kickouts by cutting off space, or to be expected to create overlaps for the attack or kick scores. For me, the essential thing is to be able to mind the house, and while he has a great boot on him, Gleeson is prone to one or two brain farts per game which can be costly, and so it proved yesterday towards the end of the match. The goalie's position has probably been a problem for Galway for the past decade or so, and they won't get over the line unless they solve it. In fairness, Robbie Hennelly had similar tendencies for much of his Mayo career but has come on a lot in the past two seasons, so there's plenty of time for Conor Gleeson to improve this side of his game.

3. A solid defensive set-up is so important today. Both Galway and Kerry have successfully implemented this over the course of the season and conceded few goals as a result. Incoming managers take note!

4. Match ups are also a huge part of the equation. Felt that Kerry generally got theirs right and managed to nullify a lot of Galway's key men, with the exception of Walsh, who was on fire. I always thought Galway would need to do something out-of-the-box to keep D Clifford down to an acceptable total (no one can mark him out of the game, really), as wonderful baller though Seán Kelly is, he's not a grizzly sort of full back you want round the square. Sometimes, you need Francie Bellew.

5. The bench. Kerry got a lot of value from their's, whereas Galway were relying mostly on their first XV. Perhaps this is why they faded in the closing stages, given how intense their counter-attacking game is.

6. The mark. Kerry got great value out of the mark in the first half, given their twin towers of Geaney and Clifford. Galway didn't really have that outlet so much, so had to run the ball a lot, which also might explain why they got tired towards the end.

Next year should be really exciting, given that the Dubs will have Con back, Mayo should have ROD and Tommy Goals, Tyrone will be chomping at the bit, Donegal will have new management, Armagh and Derry will be looking to consolidate their breakthrough seasons, plus the two finalists from yesterday. There isn't a huge amount between most of those sides, so it will be very interesting to see if the Kingdom can successfully defend their crown."
I agree with most of what you write, I'd just make two points:
Gleeson, fair play to him, isn't the number one goalie. The lad had to step up when we lost Bernie Power to injury in the league.
Clifford was kept to three points from play. I'd say that's pretty effective marking. Kerry's defensive system was more effective to be sure, but I'd not say Kelly wasn't effective.

It was a game of small margins, and Kerry had the resources to get over the line. At the end of the day we only lost by 3 after going scoreless for nearly 20 minutes. Both teams played strong, clean football. I thought of the initial 15, man-for-man they were evenly matched. The difference, as you rightly say, was the strength Kerry could pull from the bench, something we lacked. I'd also say that Comer and Finnerty won't be happy at how they were marked out of the game, and that experience will stand nicely to them and the management team.

Well done Kerry on the win. Hard fought and well earned.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 25/07/2022 16:00:20    2434336

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The key thing for 2023 is that we must keep this squad together and not lose any of our key players.
Then hopefully add a few more players to the mix.
Maybe even a few of the lads we have had previously such as Mike Daly, Adrian Varley, Peter Cooke could be tempted back.
To state the obvious also - we need to find a keeper. Maybe Flaherty or Egan are the answer. They will get their chance next year no doubt.

galwayman2 (Galway) - Posts: 1242 - 25/07/2022 16:08:20    2434343

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Replying To carlovia:  "Could Kildare make the same argument about Glen Ryan being injured against Galway allowing Fallon the freedom of the pitch ?"
Again, Just a quote from Seamus Moynihan from his Sam Maguire acceptance speech.
His words, his opinion.
I just happen to agree.
Quite a few fit and healthy players got roasted by Ja Fallon down through the years.
To pass off his brilliance and leadership in that final by saying Glen Ryan was injured just doesn't cut it.

StopTheLights (Galway) - Posts: 343 - 25/07/2022 16:10:21    2434345

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Yes it was a fair shoulder and the hit caused the player to bounce off the other player. The call resulted in a score.
On the other call you must ask if the Kerry player was holding the Galway player and the answer is no. Did the Galway player grab, and HOLD ON TO, the Kerry player's arm until the whistle sounded and the answer is yes. Usually this tactic is employed when a player reaches in from behind and at chest or waist level and the opponent clamps the arm with his and falls (usually rolling) to the ground and 99% of the time is awarded a free. Most refs make the easy and incorrect call."
So you are saying 99 times out of 100 the free is awarded wrongly.If that is the case why did it take so long for a top tier referee to put it right and strangely on all Ireland final day and at a crucial time in the match.We see it match after match if the forward had the ball and pulled the defenders arm in he would be rolling around the place and would have got a free straight away.Ref got that decision wrong and as to the goalie getting a black card, he had 2 umpires 5 yards away from the incident they should have called it.

Waveitwide (Galway) - Posts: 137 - 25/07/2022 16:19:17    2434349

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Replying To Waveitwide:  "1980,1994,1996 and 2007 all Ireland hurling finals,such self belief before you invented the game of hurling in 2018."
No Sir. By '73 we had seven All Irelands, when Galway had a sole one. We were beaten in '80, '94, '96 and '07, by better teams- end of story. Simply said hurling did not start in '40, '80 or 2018.
As regards yesterday, Galway went in as underdogs, but performed very well for fifty minutes and with a few breaks going their way could have won that game. However, as always the better team won.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4337 - 25/07/2022 16:24:59    2434352

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Replying To StopTheLights:  "That was a free out 99 times out of 100.
Simple as.
It turned the game and the momentum.
No Galwayman begrudges Kerry their victory.
He just said what everyone was thinking."
Should have been a free to Kerry moments before that for touching the ball on the ground so the ref might have given a soft one…. At the end of the day as I said before the Final a Division 2 team rarely if ever come out on top v a Division 1 team in an All Ireland final…. Kerry had just too much

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1943 - 25/07/2022 16:41:20    2434356

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "No Sir. By '73 we had seven All Irelands, when Galway had a sole one. We were beaten in '80, '94, '96 and '07, by better teams- end of story. Simply said hurling did not start in '40, '80 or 2018.
As regards yesterday, Galway went in as underdogs, but performed very well for fifty minutes and with a few breaks going their way could have won that game. However, as always the better team won."
If the better team won what has that got to do with self belief and coming from west.Sorry but you are not making much sense.

Waveitwide (Galway) - Posts: 137 - 25/07/2022 16:52:33    2434362

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Replying To howdareu:  "But they still reached a final even though Joyce choose to ignore "the signs"

the goalkeeper is a young lad who is an amateur, is doing his best and I'm sure feels down today like the rest of the galway team.

Can you imagine even for a little while how you would feel if that was your brother/son in goals? 'm sure his parents, siblings, friends etc would not appreciate comments like you have made and neither would you if you were in their shoes.

Show some respect would you and think of others before you type utter trash belitting someone who is doing their best. I'm sure you haven't played or managed in any all Ireland finals so rein it in like a good man."
I'm not critical of the keeper but am critical of the man who put him there.
He was an accident waiting to happen all year. Joyce made no attempt to fix it .
His short kick out has been chronic all year long for an inter county goalkeeper.
And what does he do yesterday when the game is in the melting pot only take a short kick out with a player inside the 20 M line behind him. Ref throws the ball up and Kerry score.
That's inexcusable where he's my brother or sister.!!
Joyce might have been a good footballer but he's a long way to go to been an inter county Manager.
Jack o Connor saw the weakness in the Galway keeper and exploited it. When the keeper went long Kerry won everything in the first half. Poor shooting cost them a 5point lead at half time.
When the keeper went short it was like a comedy scene.
This been happening since the Mayo game.
You don't win an All Ireland without a Goalkeeper .

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 25/07/2022 16:59:59    2434371

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Galway will have regrets this morning.. Kerry were on the ropes with the same doubts appearing but in reality 5 out of the 6 Galway forwards had their worst game of the year.. Despite that Galway were still hangin in there in the last 10 but a Kerry win started to look inevitable as Galway were running on fumes.. Great year for Galway but an opportunity missed

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 25/07/2022 17:10:42    2434374

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Replying To baire:  "To be fair they came at him from both sides almost simultaneously and he was lucky not to be seriously concussed. A sandwich tackle like that should not be allowed, it's too dangerous."
But Barry never touched him, he fell into Barry.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 25/07/2022 17:14:49    2434376

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "But Barry never touched him, he fell into Barry."
Third man tackle

Waveitwide (Galway) - Posts: 137 - 25/07/2022 17:18:07    2434378

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Replying To carlovia:  "Could Kildare make the same argument about Glen Ryan being injured against Galway allowing Fallon the freedom of the pitch ?"
Ah, no.

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 905 - 25/07/2022 17:24:47    2434381

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Replying To unclegerry:  "Galway will have regrets this morning.. Kerry were on the ropes with the same doubts appearing but in reality 5 out of the 6 Galway forwards had their worst game of the year.. Despite that Galway were still hangin in there in the last 10 but a Kerry win started to look inevitable as Galway were running on fumes.. Great year for Galway but an opportunity missed"
Remarkably, despite 'running on fumes', and someone said, only scoring 0-2 in the last 18 minutes of football, THE SCORE WAS LEVEL 0-16 each at 66:00mins, when the dubious free was awarded. I've no issues with the ref, I thought he had a good game.

The point I wanted to make was that RTE had a lot of pundits on their panel last night, but all of them seemed to have a DISBELIEF about how close the match was. Colm O'Rourke stated that that the match was level up to the 62nd minute, and he wasn't corrected. Eamonn Fitz went into another 'timezone' altogether, and stated at another juncture that the match was level up to the 54th minute!! No wonder Kerry were 'in shock' up to HT yesterday. Fitzy was still 'fuzzy' at the Sunday Game.

McStay was 'professional' on co-comm, for a lad that badly wanted Galway not to win. His 'anxiety level' seemed to peak at that 66th minute 'award', when he positively 'wet himself' to support the referee's decision. Even a plea from comm Darragh Maloney on behalf of the Galway defender's case was brusquely dismissed by McStay. As I've said many a time, you can't hide what's in your gut about a result in the clutch. McStay's mask didn't slip too often, but it slipped alright.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3448 - 25/07/2022 17:32:08    2434386

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Spot on Gleebo"
Very true, inter-county scene looks competitive and it won't be like the Dublin era where, or a couple of years, all the other teams played more in hope than in expectation.

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 242 - 25/07/2022 17:58:41    2434392

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Comer not showing up also massively affected Galway. He just didn't have the same energy, drive and fearless attitude yesterday. Maybe it was nerves or maybe Kerry just did a brilliant job on him?"
Not a maybe but a certainly.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3353 - 25/07/2022 18:03:13    2434398

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I'm not critical of the keeper but am critical of the man who put him there.
He was an accident waiting to happen all year. Joyce made no attempt to fix it .
His short kick out has been chronic all year long for an inter county goalkeeper.
And what does he do yesterday when the game is in the melting pot only take a short kick out with a player inside the 20 M line behind him. Ref throws the ball up and Kerry score.
That's inexcusable where he's my brother or sister.!!
Joyce might have been a good footballer but he's a long way to go to been an inter county Manager.
Jack o Connor saw the weakness in the Galway keeper and exploited it. When the keeper went long Kerry won everything in the first half. Poor shooting cost them a 5point lead at half time.
When the keeper went short it was like a comedy scene.
This been happening since the Mayo game.
You don't win an All Ireland without a Goalkeeper ."
Really? Very insightful stuff. You don't win all Ireland with a keeper and here were the rest of us thinking other teams had no keepers at all but thats why they won them.

So you're criticising Joyce for putting him there? So you obviously know that there are better goalkeepers in galway and Joyce just doesn't play them yea?? Joyce brought his team within a whisker of winning an all Ireland and you come on and criticise him. Talk about negativity.

BTW you were critical of the goalkeeper. You said you wouldn't pick him for a Junior B team- would you call that praise??? As I said show some respect to the lad and also the manager and everyone involved. They did their best and they don't need experts like you belitting them with constant negativity and a knowall attitude and the effort they invest all for very little reward.

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 25/07/2022 18:06:05    2434399

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I'm not critical of the keeper but am critical of the man who put him there.
He was an accident waiting to happen all year. Joyce made no attempt to fix it .
His short kick out has been chronic all year long for an inter county goalkeeper.
And what does he do yesterday when the game is in the melting pot only take a short kick out with a player inside the 20 M line behind him. Ref throws the ball up and Kerry score.
That's inexcusable where he's my brother or sister.!!
Joyce might have been a good footballer but he's a long way to go to been an inter county Manager.
Jack o Connor saw the weakness in the Galway keeper and exploited it. When the keeper went long Kerry won everything in the first half. Poor shooting cost them a 5point lead at half time.
When the keeper went short it was like a comedy scene.
This been happening since the Mayo game.
You don't win an All Ireland without a Goalkeeper ."
Why are you so hard on the Galway goalie?You obvious didn't see the stats on the kick outs yesterday because you are talking nonsense.He took several short kick outs yesterday that didn't go astray particularly in the second half.Too many gob you know what's sticking the knife in after sticking with the red hot favourites until 66 minutes yesterday.Some people need to take a good look at themselves and their own counties performance before passing judgment.Derry goalie in the semifinal springs to mind and nothing said about the goal he conceded to Comer.

Waveitwide (Galway) - Posts: 137 - 25/07/2022 18:10:50    2434400

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "But Barry never touched him, he fell into Barry."
"Kerry would argue that they themselves were unfortunate to have a free scored against them in the 64th minute when Gavin White performed a perfectly legal shoulder on Cillian McDaid. The problem with that is McDaid collided into Jack Barry and as the Galway midfielder was sandwiched and had no opportunity to fall from the tackle it was a free". Brian Gavin, Irish Examiner, Mon 25 July 2022.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1816 - 25/07/2022 18:13:15    2434401

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