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Replying To bloodyban: "I like Joyce alot. He's probably the quintessential good Galway man. Confident and open. He was right to question the free. It was a huge turning point. Comer was fouled beforehand. Hurson had an ok game but he missed a few very obvious trips and pushes in the back which in my opinion have to be called everytime. Let the body contact happen and the more shoulders the better but the trips have to be called everytime.
I think Galway were gassed cone the last 10 mins. They needed 5 subs in on 55mins. Mcdaid had a bad miss and Walsh went for a Hail Mary free. That was inexperience or over exuberance.
There is a lack of belief and nous in Connacht teams. It doesn't manifest at the start of games. Galway in hurling and football come out of the blocks as fast as anyone. It manifests in tight games. They rarely if ever overturn deficits coming into the last 10mins. They keep playing with verve instead of playing the percentages like a Kerry or Limerick. They lack cynicism which in top level sport is a criticism. I had to watch the game on Sky yesterday which is usually a great channel but the picture kept freezing. Its like rte did it on purpose.." I think the belief & nous 'geographical assessment' there is a stupid observation. That Galway team gave up 3 late soft goals to Armagh, and still prevailed over them in a penalty shootout. They goaled & pointed late in ET to survive. Where was the 'belief & nous' deficit that day? I went to Thurles this year to a hurling q-final, and watched Cork 'ahem themselves', couldn't hit the target etc. Are Cork a Connacht team? No....Munster by 'grace of god' apparently!!!!
A lot of Limerick 'fans' are sitting in their hurling 'ivory tower' now, making all sorts of daft comments about 'belief' & 'nous', and they're feeling bulletproof with the current hurling 'regime' they're supporting. And why wouldn't they. Galway had the 'belief & nous' to bate Armagh in a tight one, because they were/are better than Armagh. Yet, you're expecting us to believe that they lacked the 'belief & nous' to beat a side that was 1/3 favourite to win the game. Galway played div2 football this season, and Kerry won div1. Was that because of a 'belief & nous' issue, or was it because Kerry have a superior squad of footballers compared to Galway in 2023? It was latter, I'd conclude.
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Replying To bloodyban: "I like Joyce alot. He's probably the quintessential good Galway man. Confident and open. He was right to question the free. It was a huge turning point. Comer was fouled beforehand. Hurson had an ok game but he missed a few very obvious trips and pushes in the back which in my opinion have to be called everytime. Let the body contact happen and the more shoulders the better but the trips have to be called everytime.
I think Galway were gassed cone the last 10 mins. They needed 5 subs in on 55mins. Mcdaid had a bad miss and Walsh went for a Hail Mary free. That was inexperience or over exuberance.
There is a lack of belief and nous in Connacht teams. It doesn't manifest at the start of games. Galway in hurling and football come out of the blocks as fast as anyone. It manifests in tight games. They rarely if ever overturn deficits coming into the last 10mins. They keep playing with verve instead of playing the percentages like a Kerry or Limerick. They lack cynicism which in top level sport is a criticism. I had to watch the game on Sky yesterday which is usually a great channel but the picture kept freezing. Its like rte did it on purpose.." You say: "There is a lack of belief and nous in Connacht teams". Galway have won 9 All Irelands in football, they are third on the roll of honour. If that is evidence of lack of belief what have you got to say about the other 29 counties? I don't think your amateur psychology stands up to scrutiny. There was no evidence of a lack of belief yesterday nor in any other game this year. Kerry got the breaks at the most crucial stage of the game, they had the few subs which made the difference but Galway battled with courage, skill and belief until the final whistle. This attitude of yours re Galway and Connacht teams seems to be common in Limerick, I haven't come across it in Kerry to be fair.
Apart from Galway how many other counties have shown the belief, skill and competence to win All Irelands in both codes? Galway have a total of 16 All Irelands when you add both codes together.
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Also, I'm glad to see so many posters here speak about about social media and its pernicious effect on society. We have a wonderful asset in the GAA, almost unique in Europe, of young men and women giving their entire leisure time for our entertainment and asking almost nothing in return- a tracksuit and a few pairs of boots, very basic expenses and maybe a bit of food after training, in most cases.
To see some of the vicious cyber bullying of our talented athletes is a fairly dark reflection of modern society. Criticise, analyse, debate by all means, but a lot of the stuff out there is very personal a lot of the time and certain pundits are amongst the worst offenders.
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Ref. Sean Hurson had a fine performance overall. Sure I was disappointed about a couple of things that have been discussed already but I want to congratulate Kerry on a fine victory. We were lucky not to get black card also. Even in defeat I feel Galway have lots of cause for optimism. We are a Croke Park team and I believe we can regroup and make it back to a final in the not too distant future. Special thanks to Galway management and players, fantastic year.
Gaillimh Abu
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Replying To bloodyban: "I like Joyce alot. He's probably the quintessential good Galway man. Confident and open. He was right to question the free. It was a huge turning point. Comer was fouled beforehand. Hurson had an ok game but he missed a few very obvious trips and pushes in the back which in my opinion have to be called everytime. Let the body contact happen and the more shoulders the better but the trips have to be called everytime.
I think Galway were gassed cone the last 10 mins. They needed 5 subs in on 55mins. Mcdaid had a bad miss and Walsh went for a Hail Mary free. That was inexperience or over exuberance.
There is a lack of belief and nous in Connacht teams. It doesn't manifest at the start of games. Galway in hurling and football come out of the blocks as fast as anyone. It manifests in tight games. They rarely if ever overturn deficits coming into the last 10mins. They keep playing with verve instead of playing the percentages like a Kerry or Limerick. They lack cynicism which in top level sport is a criticism. I had to watch the game on Sky yesterday which is usually a great channel but the picture kept freezing. Its like rte did it on purpose.." 14 ALL-Irelands rather between the football and hurling.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "He was hit with a fair shoulder charge, then stumbled in to Barry, never a free." To be fair they came at him from both sides almost simultaneously and he was lucky not to be seriously concussed. A sandwich tackle like that should not be allowed, it's too dangerous.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1818 - 25/07/2022 13:21:15
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It's all about doing enough on the day and Kerry did enough. On another day it could be a different outcome. Not enough Galway forward played to form yesterday including Comer. The same could be said of some Kerry lads but the likes of O'Brien and Geaney who were poor in their shooting made amends with workrate and defensive duties. In many future games Finnerty, Comer and co will show their true form and take a bit of the pressure off Walsh but it didn't happen for them yesterday. I thought Sean Hurson gave the best refereeing performance in a final in memory. Think he got all the big calls correct apart from letting Gleeson off when he should have given a black card. Finally it's a topic that arises from time to time but the lgfa and rugby union codes have timekeeping sorted so that everyone can see that the right amount of time is played. Stopping the clock for injuries and things like waiting on hawkers is a no-brainer and would also mean a black carded player actually gets 10 mins not 5 or 6 caused by players feigning injury.
ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 650 - 25/07/2022 13:32:12
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think the belief & nous 'geographical assessment' there is a stupid observation. That Galway team gave up 3 late soft goals to Armagh, and still prevailed over them in a penalty shootout. They goaled & pointed late in ET to survive. Where was the 'belief & nous' deficit that day? I went to Thurles this year to a hurling q-final, and watched Cork 'ahem themselves', couldn't hit the target etc. Are Cork a Connacht team? No....Munster by 'grace of god' apparently!!!!
A lot of Limerick 'fans' are sitting in their hurling 'ivory tower' now, making all sorts of daft comments about 'belief' & 'nous', and they're feeling bulletproof with the current hurling 'regime' they're supporting. And why wouldn't they. Galway had the 'belief & nous' to bate Armagh in a tight one, because they were/are better than Armagh. Yet, you're expecting us to believe that they lacked the 'belief & nous' to beat a side that was 1/3 favourite to win the game. Galway played div2 football this season, and Kerry won div1. Was that because of a 'belief & nous' issue, or was it because Kerry have a superior squad of footballers compared to Galway in 2023? It was latter, I'd conclude." I'd agree with you, there isn't much more the Galway footballers could give in 2022. Many pundits stated they tired yesterday but I'm not convinced they did. By the 66th minute of an All Ireland Final they were level, the call has been debated but many would agree it was 50/50.
It went Kerry's way and they got such momentum as a result, but Galway could easily have got out of that corner and worked a score. 1 point up at that stage would of give the Galway players and fans such as energy and I think with the pressure on Kerry might well have won the All Ireland from there.
The problem with Galway is whilst getting to the All Ireland Final and Division 1 will bring them on again, they're not in a top 2 situation. The Mayo and Armagh games, especially the Armagh one was as close a championship game you'll see, Galway got the breaks but in a similar game next year it would be 50/50 again, Tyrone will be back at the table and Dublin will be Dublin, hard to beat in Croke Park.
Football is in a good state, but with five or six teams probably now capable of winning it, getting to two finals in a row will be challenging but that is for another day, Galway should be proud of this season.
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think the belief & nous 'geographical assessment' there is a stupid observation. That Galway team gave up 3 late soft goals to Armagh, and still prevailed over them in a penalty shootout. They goaled & pointed late in ET to survive. Where was the 'belief & nous' deficit that day? I went to Thurles this year to a hurling q-final, and watched Cork 'ahem themselves', couldn't hit the target etc. Are Cork a Connacht team? No....Munster by 'grace of god' apparently!!!!
A lot of Limerick 'fans' are sitting in their hurling 'ivory tower' now, making all sorts of daft comments about 'belief' & 'nous', and they're feeling bulletproof with the current hurling 'regime' they're supporting. And why wouldn't they. Galway had the 'belief & nous' to bate Armagh in a tight one, because they were/are better than Armagh. Yet, you're expecting us to believe that they lacked the 'belief & nous' to beat a side that was 1/3 favourite to win the game. Galway played div2 football this season, and Kerry won div1. Was that because of a 'belief & nous' issue, or was it because Kerry have a superior squad of footballers compared to Galway in 2023? It was latter, I'd conclude." Totally agree . This notion that Kerry were fitter, mentally stronger, etc etc this year is nonsense. Clifford didn't get injured this year, and Tyrone had had a much stronger bench ( McShane, Canavan, and McCann) and keeper ( Morgan ), than Galway had. Nous and mental strength nothing to do with it.
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to all the players and management team welldone on a fine year and a very good performace yesterday..
im not going down the road been critical on anyone., except for the fact shane walsh should of ben
awarded motm and that referee decision towards the end on john daly was pathetic and so wrong.
absolutely no douth whatsoever that this current group will come back stronger and more determined then
ever and lets not forgot we have a few lads to come into the group that will add serious strenght and
depth the squad..
welldone to all involved and keeps those heads high..
galway football is deffo on the rise..
just on a final note to the galway supporters yesterday who where outstanding and made themselves
heard from croke park to hueston station..
in such difficult financial times it was wonderful too see so many people in the maroon and white
out numbering the opposition and supporting the lads and we have many more days too look forward
too supporting this team..briliant stuff..
GALWAY ABU
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Replying To bloodyban: "I like Joyce alot. He's probably the quintessential good Galway man. Confident and open. He was right to question the free. It was a huge turning point. Comer was fouled beforehand. Hurson had an ok game but he missed a few very obvious trips and pushes in the back which in my opinion have to be called everytime. Let the body contact happen and the more shoulders the better but the trips have to be called everytime.
I think Galway were gassed cone the last 10 mins. They needed 5 subs in on 55mins. Mcdaid had a bad miss and Walsh went for a Hail Mary free. That was inexperience or over exuberance.
There is a lack of belief and nous in Connacht teams. It doesn't manifest at the start of games. Galway in hurling and football come out of the blocks as fast as anyone. It manifests in tight games. They rarely if ever overturn deficits coming into the last 10mins. They keep playing with verve instead of playing the percentages like a Kerry or Limerick. They lack cynicism which in top level sport is a criticism. I had to watch the game on Sky yesterday which is usually a great channel but the picture kept freezing. Its like rte did it on purpose.." 1980,1994,1996 and 2007 all Ireland hurling finals,such self belief before you invented the game of hurling in 2018.
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Comer not showing up also massively affected Galway. He just didn't have the same energy, drive and fearless attitude yesterday. Maybe it was nerves or maybe Kerry just did a brilliant job on him?
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Replying To Gleebo: "Also, I'm glad to see so many posters here speak about about social media and its pernicious effect on society. We have a wonderful asset in the GAA, almost unique in Europe, of young men and women giving their entire leisure time for our entertainment and asking almost nothing in return- a tracksuit and a few pairs of boots, very basic expenses and maybe a bit of food after training, in most cases.
To see some of the vicious cyber bullying of our talented athletes is a fairly dark reflection of modern society. Criticise, analyse, debate by all means, but a lot of the stuff out there is very personal a lot of the time and certain pundits are amongst the worst offenders." Agree with you, players give everything for their county, Div 4 to Div 1. Some boys on here slating the standard of football yet their glued to a 0-0 match over the water. O' Shea last year took some terrible personal stuff from posters. Do people realise how much of his time he has gave Mayo from minor to now. Years ago Plunket Donaghy dropped the ball into the Derry net to gift them a league title, good kid social media wasn't about.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 25/07/2022 14:10:53
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Replying To StopTheLights: "Seamus Moynihan said it all in his acceptance speech after the 2000 replay.
If Ja Fallon wasn't injured, he believed Galway would have won.
His words, not mine." Could Kildare make the same argument about Glen Ryan being injured against Galway allowing Fallon the freedom of the pitch ?
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Replying To Ulsterman: "Comer not showing up also massively affected Galway. He just didn't have the same energy, drive and fearless attitude yesterday. Maybe it was nerves or maybe Kerry just did a brilliant job on him?" Kerry sweeper system shut him out of the game very effectively without conceding frees. More a lesson for the bench, than a critique of Comer. It's also worth pointing out that while Galway's system wasn't quite as effective, Clifford only scored three from play, his other five points were marks or frees and of course he didn't even come close to a goal.
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Replying To Malonemagic: "Totally agree . This notion that Kerry were fitter, mentally stronger, etc etc this year is nonsense. Clifford didn't get injured this year, and Tyrone had had a much stronger bench ( McShane, Canavan, and McCann) and keeper ( Morgan ), than Galway had. Nous and mental strength nothing to do with it." Totally agree that nous, fitness and mental strength had anything to do with Kerry's win. Kerry had a better team and that's it. They also got a few vital breaks from the Ref near the end but they deserved their win. Dublin of a few years ago would have won this All Ireland easily. The overall standard has dipped a bit.
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Replying To baire: "To be fair they came at him from both sides almost simultaneously and he was lucky not to be seriously concussed. A sandwich tackle like that should not be allowed, it's too dangerous." Yes it was a fair shoulder and the hit caused the player to bounce off the other player. The call resulted in a score.
On the other call you must ask if the Kerry player was holding the Galway player and the answer is no. Did the Galway player grab, and HOLD ON TO, the Kerry player's arm until the whistle sounded and the answer is yes. Usually this tactic is employed when a player reaches in from behind and at chest or waist level and the opponent clamps the arm with his and falls (usually rolling) to the ground and 99% of the time is awarded a free. Most refs make the easy and incorrect call.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 25/07/2022 15:19:49
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Replying To Gleebo: "Really enjoyed the match yesterday, a superb exhibition of some of the finest skills in the game- superb long distance point taking; high fielding; and clean dispossessions. Shane Walsh was on fire for most of the game (ably assisted by Cillian McDaid) and damn near threatened to win the game on his own. Galway gave it socks and can feel proud of their performance, although defeat will undoubtedly sting for the next few weeks.
The main factors in the winning and losing of the game (for me anyway) were the following:
1. Galway needed Walsh, Comer and Conroy to catch fire in order to win, given that Kerry probably possess a wider spread of scorers in their side. Walsh rose to the occasion but the other two were well-shackled by Kerry's man markers.
2. Goalies are and always have been the most important players in any gaelic football team, the ones who can lose a game in an instant through a lapse of concentration. I played there for many years myself and it always grates to hear that a goalie's most important asset is his kickout, or to hear talk about how vital it is to be disrupting the opposition's kickouts by cutting off space, or to be expected to create overlaps for the attack or kick scores. For me, the essential thing is to be able to mind the house, and while he has a great boot on him, Gleeson is prone to one or two brain farts per game which can be costly, and so it proved yesterday towards the end of the match. The goalie's position has probably been a problem for Galway for the past decade or so, and they won't get over the line unless they solve it. In fairness, Robbie Hennelly had similar tendencies for much of his Mayo career but has come on a lot in the past two seasons, so there's plenty of time for Conor Gleeson to improve this side of his game.
3. A solid defensive set-up is so important today. Both Galway and Kerry have successfully implemented this over the course of the season and conceded few goals as a result. Incoming managers take note!
4. Match ups are also a huge part of the equation. Felt that Kerry generally got theirs right and managed to nullify a lot of Galway's key men, with the exception of Walsh, who was on fire. I always thought Galway would need to do something out-of-the-box to keep D Clifford down to an acceptable total (no one can mark him out of the game, really), as wonderful baller though Seán Kelly is, he's not a grizzly sort of full back you want round the square. Sometimes, you need Francie Bellew.
5. The bench. Kerry got a lot of value from their's, whereas Galway were relying mostly on their first XV. Perhaps this is why they faded in the closing stages, given how intense their counter-attacking game is.
6. The mark. Kerry got great value out of the mark in the first half, given their twin towers of Geaney and Clifford. Galway didn't really have that outlet so much, so had to run the ball a lot, which also might explain why they got tired towards the end.
Next year should be really exciting, given that the Dubs will have Con back, Mayo should have ROD and Tommy Goals, Tyrone will be chomping at the bit, Donegal will have new management, Armagh and Derry will be looking to consolidate their breakthrough seasons, plus the two finalists from yesterday. There isn't a huge amount between most of those sides, so it will be very interesting to see if the Kingdom can successfully defend their crown." Spot on Gleebo
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "Ref. Sean Hurson had a fine performance overall. Sure I was disappointed about a couple of things that have been discussed already but I want to congratulate Kerry on a fine victory. We were lucky not to get black card also. Even in defeat I feel Galway have lots of cause for optimism. We are a Croke Park team and I believe we can regroup and make it back to a final in the not too distant future. Special thanks to Galway management and players, fantastic year.
Gaillimh Abu" Thank you and very gracious Paddy.
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Well done team and management. You have given us a great year. I'm sure that will mean little to them now as they will all be devastated
Thought ref got the call wrong near the end but he also didn't black card our keeper so we can't really have many complaints. I thought overall he did a great job.
I think Kerry were the slightly better team but I think they'll be much deadlier now. The monkey is off their backs. The won an AI . The nerves we saw a bit of yesterday won't be there
Mcdaid was brilliant. We needed more than shane in the forwards but sometimes mentally things just don't go right or maybe Kerry just did very well on them
Not that shane or Clifford would care as Sam was all they wanted but I think Shane deserved motm.
Galway management certainly proved doubters wrong. Myself being one of them.
Gaillimh abú
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