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Replying To Saynothing: "Donegal is the most northerly county of all 32. Look at a map or even think back to school." Is there not a border between Donegal and Northern Ireland why do you think that is [email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 15/07/2022 16:47:58 2432259 Link
Replying To tireoghainabu: "You said in an earlier post that Donegal is not in the north, you are now saying that Malin Head is in Derry., enough said. All true GAA supporters recognise Ulster as having nine counties, "Dublin Joe" was indeed a northern referee and good luck to his fellow Ulsterman next Sunday." No you implied malin head was in the north as you said I obviously was never in malin head. [email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 15/07/2022 16:53:02 2432260 Link
Replying To tireoghainabu: "You said in an earlier post that Donegal is not in the north, you are now saying that Malin Head is in Derry., enough said. All true GAA supporters recognise Ulster as having nine counties, "Dublin Joe" was indeed a northern referee and good luck to his fellow Ulsterman next Sunday." Whoes Dublin Joe when he's at home. [email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 15/07/2022 16:54:55 2432262 Link
Regarding the referee I'd have preferred if Hurson didn't get the job this year with his club connection with Tally. I would have expected Gough to get it and ironically I wanted Hurson to ref the 2019 final. But he didn't and now he is. The GAA however, need to stop putting their officials in situations that create issues. This needs to be reviewed. He is picked now and it would be alot to ask any official to say no to the biggest gig of their career. He deserves his day in the sun and hopefully Sunday week will be controversy free. Galway are fine with it, per Joyce's comments. It makes sense as in 2018 Paddy Tally was in the Galway backroom when Galway played Kildare in the Super 8s, and Seán Hurson reffed that. Funnily enough Dr. Cian O'Neill was involved with Kildare that day. If Hurson was fine in 2018, he's fine now. If Galway did complain now, it actually would only raise questions on the manner of their 2018 win v Kildare than next Sunday week. Joyce even volunteered their semi-final referee Brendan Cawley and Cian O'Neill are from different clubs in the same town in Kildare and there was no question of Cawley's integrity before or after the game. As a side note, people need to be mindful of comments that can be viewed as downgrading the Irishness of some of our Ulster brothers and sisters. Ye know exactly what ye are doing. Cuir deireadh leis. CletusVanDamme (Kerry) - Posts: 63 - 15/07/2022 18:10:11 2432277 Link
I am guessing the GAA didnt know they were from the same club? seems like a crazy decision brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 15/07/2022 18:37:44 2432282 Link
There's always room on this forum for one more thread about referees Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 15/07/2022 20:14:01 2432285 Link
Replying To eoinog: "Is Forever blue ever happy with any segment of the GAA.?" Is Forever blue ever happy with any segment of the GAA.? eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1059 - 14/07/2022 12:03:53 Most negative poster on this forum. If you painted a wall white he would try and tell you it's black. RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 848 - 16/07/2022 07:52:30 2432293 Link
Generally, "the North" is a phrase which denotes the 6 counties. And it's also true that Donegal, in the political South, is also in the geographical North. The guy who said refs from the North (in the sense of it being the 6 counties) tended to be overlooked may have had a point. This kind of confusion - where everyday words mean different things to different people - will only increase as the Troubles recede into history. For the benefit of outsiders - and I'm including all non-Ulster (9 county) folk under 40 in that - I once did a very short guide on how not to open your mouth and put your foot into it when ag caint sa Tuaisceart: https://whateveryousaysaynothing.blogspot.com/ You're welcome : ) points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 239 - 16/07/2022 09:45:08 2432297 Link
The wider point is not about where a ref is from, it's about whether it's sensible to appoint a ref from the same club as one of the key backroom staff in one of the participants - never mind how the ref is likely to behave; is it sensible to permit even a perception of bias? If Kerry get any handy decisions in the final, plenty will say "the ref did that because of his clubmate". It is a minor SNAFU by the GAA. It's not even fair on the ref. I'd be surprised if Hurson will lean to Kerry as a result. But you couldn't do this in law firms I've worked for. If a potential client wanted your advice, the very first thing you do is a conflict check. You check to see if you're already working for any of the guy's competitors. And if you are, you can't accept the job. To do so would be professional misconduct, and could very well get you into serious bother with your standards regulator at your local law society. Whether you would in fact have been biased or not is irrelevant - the conflict rule applies where the bias merely is a theoretical possibility. The GAA doesn't get that. It does not take basic governance standards seriously. On a wider point, I have also read the GAA's games rules on several occasion, and my immediate impression is - this has more loopholes than an average sieve. The rules look OK on a casual reading. But they fall part in a conflict situation. So much of the wording is vague to the point of being unworkable. You end up falling back on your own common-sense knowledge of the game, and trying to figure out what the guy writing the rule "must have intended to mean", because what he actually wrote down is capable of bearing so many divergent interpretations. First, the GAA needs to re-define the tackle (and whether shoulders have outlived their usefulness in a game full of faster players who don't obligingly stand still to be shouldered any more, hence too many attempted shoulders end up being illegal hits to the front or back, and often with serious potential for head injuries); and then it needs to get the whole thing re-written by professionals who understand defensive drafting, and who can anticipate where the interpretation challenges will arise. And note that most solicitors and barristers are not much use at proper drafting either - it needs to be someone such as a parliamentary draftsman, someone with serious experience of drafting primary legislation. Players are professional in all but name these days, and they deserve no less. points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 239 - 16/07/2022 10:19:09 2432301 Link
Replying To RHF: "Is Forever blue ever happy with any segment of the GAA.? eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1059 - 14/07/2022 12:03:53 Most negative poster on this forum. If you painted a wall white he would try and tell you it's black." Not one bit negative…. just someone who wants things done properly while some here seem to accept all sorts of excuses for haphazardness within the GAA…. It's about getting things right… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 16/07/2022 11:19:41 2432310 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Not one bit negative…. just someone who wants things done properly while some here seem to accept all sorts of excuses for haphazardness within the GAA…. It's about getting things right…" Maybe propose how things should be done properly, even some mad alternatives. Cos you seem to run nearly everything down without any plan to improve things. The admins, refereeing officials in the GAA aren't perfect but the majority are doing a good job, doing their best for the organisation and the members and supporters. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 16/07/2022 11:32:51 2432313 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Maybe propose how things should be done properly, even some mad alternatives. Cos you seem to run nearly everything down without any plan to improve things. The admins, refereeing officials in the GAA aren't perfect but the majority are doing a good job, doing their best for the organisation and the members and supporters." Well do you not think they could have put a bit more thought and research into the All Ireland final appointment…? What logic was involved when they brought a ref ( Conor Lane ) the whole way up from Cork to take charge of Cavan v Donegal in Clones…? When counties from different provinces play each other would it not make common sense to appoint a referee from one of the other 2…? Unfortunately common sense is in all too short a supply when it comes to the GAA…. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 16/07/2022 13:24:26 2432334 Link
I put these nonsensical posts down to the heat!!! Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1490 - 16/07/2022 13:45:50 2432338 Link
Replying To CletusVanDamme: "Regarding the referee I'd have preferred if Hurson didn't get the job this year with his club connection with Tally. I would have expected Gough to get it and ironically I wanted Hurson to ref the 2019 final. But he didn't and now he is. The GAA however, need to stop putting their officials in situations that create issues. This needs to be reviewed. He is picked now and it would be alot to ask any official to say no to the biggest gig of their career. He deserves his day in the sun and hopefully Sunday week will be controversy free. Galway are fine with it, per Joyce's comments. It makes sense as in 2018 Paddy Tally was in the Galway backroom when Galway played Kildare in the Super 8s, and Seán Hurson reffed that. Funnily enough Dr. Cian O'Neill was involved with Kildare that day. If Hurson was fine in 2018, he's fine now. If Galway did complain now, it actually would only raise questions on the manner of their 2018 win v Kildare than next Sunday week. Joyce even volunteered their semi-final referee Brendan Cawley and Cian O'Neill are from different clubs in the same town in Kildare and there was no question of Cawley's integrity before or after the game. As a side note, people need to be mindful of comments that can be viewed as downgrading the Irishness of some of our Ulster brothers and sisters. Ye know exactly what ye are doing. Cuir deireadh leis." Hope to God for Hurson's sake he has a good game. Can't see many problems , if any he could be over fair to Galway just to show that friends don't come between doing a good job for a GAA match. Worth ticket price to see Clifford. Good luck both teams. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 16/07/2022 14:00:55 2432342 Link
Replying To [email protected]: "Is there not a border between Donegal and Northern Ireland why do you think that is" Not many true Irish men call the 6 counties N....... Ireland. Then again you could be from Ballebourough the home of Barkey orange hall. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 16/07/2022 14:03:40 2432343 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "I put these nonsensical posts down to the heat!!!" Says the one posting them…lol ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 16/07/2022 14:18:38 2432347 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "I put these nonsensical posts down to the heat!!!" Says the one posting them…lol ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 16/07/2022 14:34:43 2432351 Link
I am not a referee but I imagine the pinnacle of the referees career is to officiate at the All Ireland Final. Obviously this referee has reached this pinnacle through hard work and has been selected based on his ability to do a good job. Padraig Joyce has publicly stated that he has no issue with the appointment .Is a referee going to favour a club mate in front of 82,000 people and millions watching on TV. Most Top managers mingle regularly with referee's throughout the year and it's not an issue. To question the appointment here is very sad and demeaning to the referee. eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1656 - 16/07/2022 17:05:19 2432365 Link
Replying To [email protected]: "No you implied malin head was in the north as you said I obviously was never in malin head." Your original post said the North of Ireland. As a proud Ulster man, I am a Northerner. Not from the South,the West or the East but from the North like all Ulster men and women. And Dublin Joe is also a Northerner. Geography was obviously not your strongest subject in school. And good luck to our fellow Northerner Sean Hurson on his big day in Croke Park. Doubt that club connection will play any part in his decisions. seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 16/07/2022 17:07:53 2432366 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Not one bit negative…. just someone who wants things done properly while some here seem to accept all sorts of excuses for haphazardness within the GAA…. It's about getting things right…" Not one bit negative…. just someone who wants things done properly while some here seem to accept all sorts of excuses for haphazardness within the GAA…. It's about getting things right… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 888 - 16/07/2022 11:19:41 2432310 Are you doing anything to get these things done right or do you just pass the time everyday slating all around you? RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 848 - 16/07/2022 17:14:07 2432367 Link