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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Dreadful performance with one or two exceptions. I trust that will be the end of attempting to play the short game inside our own 40!

Thought the tactics were a bit odd given that for once there was an threat inside. He is trying out a lot of players and approaches and obviously knows what he is at. Harsh truth perhaps is that he is working with limited resources, but hopefully he can make optimum use of them once the championship starts.


Key game will be ourselves v Wexford. Probably be the match that decides the third spot although Wexford are certainly capable of beating one or other of the big two, whereas it would take a bit of a leap of faith to see Dublin beating either Galway or Kilkenny."
Yeah, I watched it on TV and was glad I didn't go up to it.
The problem is, we need to start trying to play that game. Everybody else is playing it and teams will snuff out hit and hope.
The game v Wexford is absolutely crucial and I just made the same point over on the Wexford board.
I guess this year has to be about new faces.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1073 - 16/03/2023 10:07:44    2464142

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Yeah, I watched it on TV and was glad I didn't go up to it.
The problem is, we need to start trying to play that game. Everybody else is playing it and teams will snuff out hit and hope.
The game v Wexford is absolutely crucial and I just made the same point over on the Wexford board.
I guess this year has to be about new faces."
I wouldn't be expecting anything much this year. I think he's a bye ball for the first year and is concentrating on finding new fellas, which in fairness he already has done. Donghue from Isles in half backs is best new Dublin senior I've seen for ten years. He's putting together a potentially excellent back unit build around Eoghan. Forwards have potential but will need a lot of luck to have the main men on the pitch at the same time.

Given what i've heard of him from Galway, there are other lads on last chance. Some of them age be a factor but he won't carry anyone not willing to give 100%. I'd imagine that came up in his chat with EOD who may have issues with the lack of fight shown by others on certain days.

I'd be happy with a third spot as optimum probably and even if not that at least giving the other three a good game and maybe beating one of them.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 16/03/2023 10:40:04    2464151

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I wouldn't be expecting anything much this year. I think he's a bye ball for the first year and is concentrating on finding new fellas, which in fairness he already has done. Donghue from Isles in half backs is best new Dublin senior I've seen for ten years. He's putting together a potentially excellent back unit build around Eoghan. Forwards have potential but will need a lot of luck to have the main men on the pitch at the same time.

Given what i've heard of him from Galway, there are other lads on last chance. Some of them age be a factor but he won't carry anyone not willing to give 100%. I'd imagine that came up in his chat with EOD who may have issues with the lack of fight shown by others on certain days.

I'd be happy with a third spot as optimum probably and even if not that at least giving the other three a good game and maybe beating one of them."
I think that we can target that 3rd spot, especially having Wexford at home. I don't think Wexford are as good as 2-3 years ago and the Nell is a huge advantage.
I still think we can beat anybody in the Nell and if we can go to Corrigan Park and get a win I give us every chance. Having 3 home games is massive and having 2 of them v Wexford and Galway is a huge advantage. Wexford having to go to Galway and us is a tougher route.
I don't see us getting a result v Kilkenny but we should target winning all the other games. Galway don't like coming to the Nell either as they found out a few years back.
Like you say Barney its year 1 of a rebuild but that 3rd spot is there to be got, and possibly more.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1073 - 20/03/2023 13:26:07    2465155

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I think that we can target that 3rd spot, especially having Wexford at home. I don't think Wexford are as good as 2-3 years ago and the Nell is a huge advantage.
I still think we can beat anybody in the Nell and if we can go to Corrigan Park and get a win I give us every chance. Having 3 home games is massive and having 2 of them v Wexford and Galway is a huge advantage. Wexford having to go to Galway and us is a tougher route.
I don't see us getting a result v Kilkenny but we should target winning all the other games. Galway don't like coming to the Nell either as they found out a few years back.
Like you say Barney its year 1 of a rebuild but that 3rd spot is there to be got, and possibly more."
I'd definitely give them a chance against Wexford. Yesterday was tame enough and Laois already had their eyes on the Westmeath game so it was a pretty meaningless affair. Not even playing one another in championship.

He obviously has some idea of his starting team next month and a lot will depend on injuries so hopefully be fielding with a full hand at the business end. Third place I'd say still the target. Anything after that be a good year.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 20/03/2023 14:08:15    2465189

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I'd definitely give them a chance against Wexford. Yesterday was tame enough and Laois already had their eyes on the Westmeath game so it was a pretty meaningless affair. Not even playing one another in championship.

He obviously has some idea of his starting team next month and a lot will depend on injuries so hopefully be fielding with a full hand at the business end. Third place I'd say still the target. Anything after that be a good year."
Why target just 3rd place? In Leinster there's been no difference in points between 4th and 2nd in either of the last 2 round robins!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11146 - 20/03/2023 17:10:48    2465301

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why target just 3rd place? In Leinster there's been no difference in points between 4th and 2nd in either of the last 2 round robins!"
To be honest I can see Dublin beating yourselves - assuming we get through what will be a serious game up in Belfast - but i honestly don't see Dublin taking either Kilkenny or Galway. therefore a third spot qualifier place against one of the Munster teams be the optimum. Hope I'm wrong obviously.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 20/03/2023 18:18:50    2465339

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "To be honest I can see Dublin beating yourselves - assuming we get through what will be a serious game up in Belfast - but i honestly don't see Dublin taking either Kilkenny or Galway. therefore a third spot qualifier place against one of the Munster teams be the optimum. Hope I'm wrong obviously."
If we can beat Kilkenny and draw with Galway like we did last year why can't you beat us like you did last year? And why can't you beat them if we can? It's definitely a mental issue with yourselves, especially against Kilkenny.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11146 - 21/03/2023 17:14:36    2465574

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Replying To Viking66:  "If we can beat Kilkenny and draw with Galway like we did last year why can't you beat us like you did last year? And why can't you beat them if we can? It's definitely a mental issue with yourselves, especially against Kilkenny."
It's more than mental. Dublin teams were able to match the Cats - albeit in their declining period after 2010 in all aspects of play, but last few years not even close other than the mad comeback during the lockdown. Just too far off the pace, especially up front and backs have been taken apart for lack of first touch and often suicidal short game.

I do think they have potential and i think MOD can get best out of them, but maybe this be a trial year more than anything.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 21/03/2023 17:20:19    2465578

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "It's more than mental. Dublin teams were able to match the Cats - albeit in their declining period after 2010 in all aspects of play, but last few years not even close other than the mad comeback during the lockdown. Just too far off the pace, especially up front and backs have been taken apart for lack of first touch and often suicidal short game.

I do think they have potential and i think MOD can get best out of them, but maybe this be a trial year more than anything."
I still don't get your hang up about the Cats. Just taking Championship games into consideration even. Since we lost by 1 point to them in 2018 in Nowlan Park we haven't lost to them in 70 minutes in 4 games since. 2 wins and 2 draws. Although they won in extra time after 1 of the draws in 2021. We beat them in the 2017 Championship also. In the same time period since we beat you in 2018 we drew with you in 2019 and lost at home in 2022. We haven't beaten you since 2018. So again I ask the question- why do you think you won't beat them if it's not a mental issue?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11146 - 21/03/2023 18:05:38    2465597

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "It's more than mental. Dublin teams were able to match the Cats - albeit in their declining period after 2010 in all aspects of play, but last few years not even close other than the mad comeback during the lockdown. Just too far off the pace, especially up front and backs have been taken apart for lack of first touch and often suicidal short game.

I do think they have potential and i think MOD can get best out of them, but maybe this be a trial year more than anything."
But why though? This is a good year to catch kilkenny.

Leinster is odd though.

We have a great record against kilkenny but can't seem to beat Galway while ye are the opposite, and there isn't much between us.

Ideally I'd like to see the 3 leinster teams go through at Galways expense like 19.

Crazy we won leinster that year by only beating laois to get to the final. Incidentally the fixtures were similar to this year.

We've found a couple of new players this year so fancy us to get there with a full panel to pick from.

That being said, parnell Park is a huge game for both and won't be easy.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2530 - 21/03/2023 19:24:39    2465611

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Why are we handing Wexford and Galway the enormous advantage of playing these games in Croke Park? There won't be 5k more at these matches than there would have been in the Nell, what is the point?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1073 - 05/04/2023 15:05:31    2469085

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Why are we handing Wexford and Galway the enormous advantage of playing these games in Croke Park? There won't be 5k more at these matches than there would have been in the Nell, what is the point?"
Where did you see that? Awful stupid decision if that is the case. Presumably as part of a double header?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 05/04/2023 15:20:34    2469088

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Where did you see that? Awful stupid decision if that is the case. Presumably as part of a double header?"
RTE.ie Barney and no as I looked up what football match it was a double header with.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1073 - 05/04/2023 15:48:51    2469094

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Where did you see that? Awful stupid decision if that is the case. Presumably as part of a double header?"
It was over multiple platforms yesterday.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1490 - 05/04/2023 15:48:58    2469095

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So it turns out that the move to CP was at the request of DCB who were asked by the management to do so. Apparently some of players are in favour of this.

Argument is that Croke Park more suits the type of player and game plan MD has in mind. Fair enough, I hope he is right.

Pity about losing Parnell however as a packed park for championship is one of the few upsides to following them over the long and generally empty years!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 07/04/2023 10:27:35    2469365

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Comfortable win for the minors against Kerry. I suppose it will take them a while to find their level but possibly no nearer the top tier in Leinster than in Munster. Be interesting to see how they do against others.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 07/04/2023 17:18:32    2469457

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On another note, Kilkenny minors shipped a fair old walloping by Galway today. 13 points in it. Ominous for the rest of us.

Going by the results, Galway seem a bit ahead of everyone and i think that's been the pattern in challenges. Wexford, Kilkenny and Dublin around the same level, and Kerry, Laois, Antrim and Offaly a good bit behind those three. Especially disappointing for Offaly after their great year last year, but reflective of a small pick.

Not sure if or how they might alter the tiers for next year.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 07/04/2023 18:56:45    2469468

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Whoooo!

Excellent win for the under 20s over Galway in Birr. Were eight points down at half time. Looks like a serious team.

Well don to all :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 08/04/2023 16:23:35    2469568

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Whoooo!

Excellent win for the under 20s over Galway in Birr. Were eight points down at half time. Looks like a serious team.

Well don to all :-)"
Super win - didnt look great at one stage but a brilliant comeback and victory.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 08/04/2023 16:34:51    2469569

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Wexford next week i think and they had a good win over the Cats so winner be in prime place to go straight to semi final in what is a most convoluted draw!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 08/04/2023 16:50:03    2469575

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