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Senior B final was excellent. Ended in a draw which was fair result. Lee Gannon clearly another hurler lost to the county.

Pitch slow but not cutting up too much.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 23/10/2022 13:35:39    2445111

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Well a draw in the end, I definitely would have taken it 10 minutes in but Dublin really should have won in the last 10 minutes. Still a good start to the year

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 05/02/2023 18:28:25    2456674

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Well a draw in the end, I definitely would have taken it 10 minutes in but Dublin really should have won in the last 10 minutes. Still a good start to the year"
Well, considering the bad start and coming from 8 points down, it was good result. You'd hardly have known they had the extra men at the end. Still, great start for so many inexperienced lads and good to see likes of Boland and O'Sullivan hurling well. and Considine who should be a regular starter now.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 05/02/2023 18:58:50    2456702

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Well, considering the bad start and coming from 8 points down, it was good result. You'd hardly have known they had the extra men at the end. Still, great start for so many inexperienced lads and good to see likes of Boland and O'Sullivan hurling well. and Considine who should be a regular starter now."
Great result for you Barney! Any of the newer lads stand out to you?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11146 - 05/02/2023 19:03:05    2456705

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Replying To Viking66:  "Great result for you Barney! Any of the newer lads stand out to you?"
I thought the likes of Keogh and Bellew and Doyle in the backs showed good composure after a dodgy start. Must be great of course to be playing alongside O'Donnell who was one of this who dragged them into the game.

Flanagan from Barrogs at centre forward has obviously impressed Donoghue and thought it was interesting that he was given a game today even with Burke back on the frees, Donoghue seems to be looking at building something solid over the three years rather than putting what on paper might look like the strongest team out every day, which had been the Dublin pattern for a long time. Peak in April then all downhill into a tame exit!

Anyway, good start and be interesting to see how they do against Tipp and the Cats.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 05/02/2023 20:14:17    2456755

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Its a positive start. We need to beat Antrim this weekend though to build on it. On the plus side we have two very good goalkeepers (Gibbons the other). 3 goals - thought Boland,Considine, O'Sullivan, Burke were all on form. Maybe Purcell might get a run at midfield... O'Donnell is a class act but may need to move out to 6.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 07/02/2023 13:08:51    2457015

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Its a positive start. We need to beat Antrim this weekend though to build on it. On the plus side we have two very good goalkeepers (Gibbons the other). 3 goals - thought Boland,Considine, O'Sullivan, Burke were all on form. Maybe Purcell might get a run at midfield... O'Donnell is a class act but may need to move out to 6."
Yes. I heard someone on somewhere suggesting moving Eoghan. Maybe, although it be taking a chance. The good teams will absolutely destroy anyone with a weak link at 3 and in absence of Cian O'Callaghan I don't see a viable replacement for him there. The Crokes full back would have been ideal but he's away to Oz.

I have to say I like what MD is doing so far. Has good crew about him on and off the field despite the absences. They should beat Antrim and Laois and after that it will be down to whether they reckon a tilt at league might be worth a go, or do more experimentation. I'd be inclined to first. Not going to win Leinster this year and there's no pressure on MD so I'd be looking at league as a step forward same as Anthony in 2011.

Eternal optimists that we are!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 07/02/2023 14:04:58    2457054

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Fully agree. Its impossible to overstate the positivity and confidence that winning some silverware gives a team.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 07/02/2023 14:44:08    2457069

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Great start, I would leave O'Donnell where he is.
Good to see new faces and hear new names. I felt last year got away from us after the good result v Wexford so hopefully Donoghue can go one better and at very least finish in the top 3 of the group.
I am loathe to say to target a league because it is a poisoned chalice, but new faces are vital to be found.
We should go full pelt to beat Antrim because it will lay down a marker for the first round of the championship, where a win followed by a win over Westmeath could set us up nicely for possibly being as good as qualified with any form of result at home to Wexford and Galway.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1073 - 08/02/2023 10:11:19    2457185

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Great start, I would leave O'Donnell where he is.
Good to see new faces and hear new names. I felt last year got away from us after the good result v Wexford so hopefully Donoghue can go one better and at very least finish in the top 3 of the group.
I am loathe to say to target a league because it is a poisoned chalice, but new faces are vital to be found.
We should go full pelt to beat Antrim because it will lay down a marker for the first round of the championship, where a win followed by a win over Westmeath could set us up nicely for possibly being as good as qualified with any form of result at home to Wexford and Galway."
6 points wasn't enough for you last year Exiled.. ....

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11146 - 08/02/2023 11:41:27    2457226

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Replying To Viking66:  "6 points wasn't enough for you last year Exiled.. ...."
Only because you chaps beat the stripey men!

It will come down to the last day again I'd say which will make for some great games, close ones at least.

Be interesting to see what shape Lyng will have the Cats in by then. Was watching the highlights of the Antrim game and that Drennan lad is getting better, Of course he has a good few to come back as well. A long time since Dublin got close to them, so be hoping for better on that front both in league and championship. The two hammerings in Parnell knocked them back a long way. That would be my measure of where we are, regardless of where they finish up in either competition.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 08/02/2023 12:23:19    2457238

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Only because you chaps beat the stripey men!

It will come down to the last day again I'd say which will make for some great games, close ones at least.

Be interesting to see what shape Lyng will have the Cats in by then. Was watching the highlights of the Antrim game and that Drennan lad is getting better, Of course he has a good few to come back as well. A long time since Dublin got close to them, so be hoping for better on that front both in league and championship. The two hammerings in Parnell knocked them back a long way. That would be my measure of where we are, regardless of where they finish up in either competition."
When you look at your recent record against us and Galway you would wonder why your record against Kilkenny is so poor, considering ourselves and Galway have a pretty even record against them in the same time period.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11146 - 08/02/2023 14:29:25    2457272

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Replying To Viking66:  "When you look at your recent record against us and Galway you would wonder why your record against Kilkenny is so poor, considering ourselves and Galway have a pretty even record against them in the same time period."
In recent years, Dublin have not been able to match the stripey men in terms of aggression and intensity. the Parnell game in championship told a lot and while there were lads who stood tall, especially in the backs, there were a few who went missing. I doubt Donoghue missed that! He was notably unsentimental when he took over Galway as I recall....

And i think we've already seen some of the outworkings of that. Fact that Eoghan recommitted once the new set up was in place also tells a tale. And that's no reflection on Mattie Kenny, by the way. By no means.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 08/02/2023 16:04:19    2457305

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Did anyone stand out on Saturday Barney?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1073 - 28/02/2023 10:50:14    2460898

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Did anyone stand out on Saturday Barney?"
Considine until he went off, worryingly again. Chap has rarely started or finished a game for Crokes or Dublin. O'Sullivan out injured is also a huge loss as we have few options in full forward line.

Other than that, backs were good. Eoghan his usual self, and some of the newer lads like Doyle really coming on with him at the centre of things. Daire Grey good too. Conor Donohoe clearly out of place in midfield and big step up for him but he didn't let himself down and should be back in half line. Burke excellent but some of the other established lads around him had a poor night.

It wasn't a disaster given that one of the Tipp goals was self-inflicted really, although Tipp were good value for 5 points at least. Donoghue is trying a lot of options and once safety has been established he now has a bit of scope, but will have to have an idea of his best 20 in a few weeks, A lot riding on lads being fit. I'd say too that there's a few on their last chance.

Championship fixtures fall favourably this time. so I'd give them a shout of making a third place. The Wexford game in Parnell will be the key one.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 28/02/2023 12:24:53    2460927

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Considine until he went off, worryingly again. Chap has rarely started or finished a game for Crokes or Dublin. O'Sullivan out injured is also a huge loss as we have few options in full forward line.

Other than that, backs were good. Eoghan his usual self, and some of the newer lads like Doyle really coming on with him at the centre of things. Daire Grey good too. Conor Donohoe clearly out of place in midfield and big step up for him but he didn't let himself down and should be back in half line. Burke excellent but some of the other established lads around him had a poor night.

It wasn't a disaster given that one of the Tipp goals was self-inflicted really, although Tipp were good value for 5 points at least. Donoghue is trying a lot of options and once safety has been established he now has a bit of scope, but will have to have an idea of his best 20 in a few weeks, A lot riding on lads being fit. I'd say too that there's a few on their last chance.

Championship fixtures fall favourably this time. so I'd give them a shout of making a third place. The Wexford game in Parnell will be the key one."
Sutcliffe back. How'd he play? No Whiteley or Ronan Hayes?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 28/02/2023 13:25:48    2460944

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Replying To keeper7:  "Sutcliffe back. How'd he play? No Whiteley or Ronan Hayes?"
Danny was there in flesh if not in spirit. He's not played well in a Dublin shirt for a long time.

Fergal tried hard but is not a corner forward and drifts back into his natural zone, which completely defeats the purpose of starting him in corner. He always gives his all though and expect he'll be back in the half line by the championship.

So Dublin effectively had a one man full forward line and little threat outside of Alex and Donal Burke. Hayes pulled up straight away after coming on in Dungarvan and is gone for a while I'd say.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 28/02/2023 14:12:43    2460964

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Tough day down in Nowlan Park. Never in the game really. Best not to dwell on it, only bright point was the huge numbers of kids from Crokes & Cuala in the ground. Hope for the future.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 13/03/2023 15:45:05    2463751

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Tough day down in Nowlan Park. Never in the game really. Best not to dwell on it, only bright point was the huge numbers of kids from Crokes & Cuala in the ground. Hope for the future."
Dreadful performance with one or two exceptions. I trust that will be the end of attempting to play the short game inside our own 40!

Thought the tactics were a bit odd given that for once there was an threat inside. He is trying out a lot of players and approaches and obviously knows what he is at. Harsh truth perhaps is that he is working with limited resources, but hopefully he can make optimum use of them once the championship starts.


Key game will be ourselves v Wexford. Probably be the match that decides the third spot although Wexford are certainly capable of beating one or other of the big two, whereas it would take a bit of a leap of faith to see Dublin beating either Galway or Kilkenny.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2400 - 13/03/2023 19:49:36    2463800

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Dreadful performance with one or two exceptions. I trust that will be the end of attempting to play the short game inside our own 40!

Thought the tactics were a bit odd given that for once there was an threat inside. He is trying out a lot of players and approaches and obviously knows what he is at. Harsh truth perhaps is that he is working with limited resources, but hopefully he can make optimum use of them once the championship starts.


Key game will be ourselves v Wexford. Probably be the match that decides the third spot although Wexford are certainly capable of beating one or other of the big two, whereas it would take a bit of a leap of faith to see Dublin beating either Galway or Kilkenny."
Therein lies your problem Barney. If we can beat them, and you can beat us, then surely to God you need to start believing you can beat Kilkenny too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11146 - 14/03/2023 10:11:35    2463835

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