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I think something needs to change, either we take away the the waving of the flags from the umpires (no point as they will be overruled anyway) or hawk Eye is only used when called for by the umpires and cannot overruled them once they wave the flag. Yesterday the umpire waved the white flag to give Galway the score approximately 5 minutes later we then went to hawk to confirm it was wide (we did not know what was going on). If this happened in a one point game and let's say the game finishes with Galway one point up and two minutes after hawk Eye states that one of Galway's points was wide? Is the referees decision final?

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 04/07/2022 12:04:28    2429604

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The time was way up for hawk eye yesterday. Galway's score should have stood. So if "Hawk Eye" (which is just another person entering data) decides to review a potential score after the full time whistle, what happens then?
The whole thing is just a silly cartoon but it looks nice.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1218 - 04/07/2022 12:52:55    2429619

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I didn't realize until yesterday it could call scores back 2/3 minutes later..I always thought it was only used if an umpire called for it..limerick have suffered with hawk eye in the past and it has been costly..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2380 - 04/07/2022 13:11:03    2429628

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Should be time limit for hawkeye.If it can't give Ta or Nil within 60 to seconds of being asked then umpire/ref decision should stand.No going back.Waiting around for 2 to 3 mins for it to make up its mind breaks up the game.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 04/07/2022 13:42:15    2429633

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I didn't realize until yesterday it could call scores back 2/3 minutes later..I always thought it was only used if an umpire called for it..limerick have suffered with hawk eye in the past and it has been costly.."
Yes I think that's when it should be used only when the ref or umpires ask for it otherwise you are not sure what the score is at a point in the game. It's too up in the air suppose late in the game a team is a point behind and are awarded a penalty, they take a point which draws them level only to have a previously point over ruled which was earlier given. if they knew they were two points down then they would have gone for the goal.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 04/07/2022 13:56:55    2429639

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Replying To ecad123:  "I think something needs to change, either we take away the the waving of the flags from the umpires (no point as they will be overruled anyway) or hawk Eye is only used when called for by the umpires and cannot overruled them once they wave the flag. Yesterday the umpire waved the white flag to give Galway the score approximately 5 minutes later we then went to hawk to confirm it was wide (we did not know what was going on). If this happened in a one point game and let's say the game finishes with Galway one point up and two minutes after hawk Eye states that one of Galway's points was wide? Is the referees decision final?"
The system works. Hawkeye is only required occasionally. Although there happened to be a lot of chances yesterday that were very close to the posts position. Let the umpires call it as they see. If they're not sure, let them call hawkeye immediately, but even if they get it wrong (which is very rare) it can still work like it did yesterday. better that than missing it and making the wrong decision. It is only the backup when required. Use it when they need, or it'll alert when you're wrong. it's doing exactly what it should

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 04/07/2022 13:58:11    2429640

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Replying To Alwaysencourage:  "Should be time limit for hawkeye.If it can't give Ta or Nil within 60 to seconds of being asked then umpire/ref decision should stand.No going back.Waiting around for 2 to 3 mins for it to make up its mind breaks up the game."
So you think a umpire/ref decision should stand even if its wrong? That would go down well

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 04/07/2022 14:00:17    2429642

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No going back all right. No going back to having scores called wrong. Use proper technology that exists to call all scores and eliminate umpires that are becoming more and more useless.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 04/07/2022 14:01:16    2429643

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "The time was way up for hawk eye yesterday. Galway's score should have stood. So if "Hawk Eye" (which is just another person entering data) decides to review a potential score after the full time whistle, what happens then?
The whole thing is just a silly cartoon but it looks nice."
Good point, the game is over you win by one, on the way home you are told that actually it was a draw it's crazy. It should only be used at that point in time when the ref blows for the puckout then the score stands. Otherwise just use hawk Eye for every score and play away with information if a score is pending.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 04/07/2022 14:02:24    2429644

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Replying To Canuck:  "No going back all right. No going back to having scores called wrong. Use proper technology that exists to call all scores and eliminate umpires that are becoming more and more useless."
How so? It's quite rare that they're wrong if you look at the amount of times they are overturned vs the amount of scores they correctly flag. The current system works where the technology is available. Even in teh rare occasion that it takes time to overturn a previous wrong decision

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 04/07/2022 14:14:31    2429646

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I wonder what dimensions do hawkeye use. I mean we had the error a few years ago in minor hurling as the machine was set for football and I would like to know does it cover much height over the posts. I have seen a few shots that are so high the umpires were nt sure and scores given that looked wide. Does it cover a shot that's 8 or 9 feet higher than top of the post. I would nt say so and if not then it's not that accurate.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3845 - 04/07/2022 14:26:31    2429648

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "How so? It's quite rare that they're wrong if you look at the amount of times they are overturned vs the amount of scores they correctly flag. The current system works where the technology is available. Even in teh rare occasion that it takes time to overturn a previous wrong decision"
What was it yesterday four times ? Enough to change the result. Once is too many if the opportunity to get them all right is available.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 04/07/2022 14:30:39    2429651

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Replying To Canuck:  "What was it yesterday four times ? Enough to change the result. Once is too many if the opportunity to get them all right is available."
Yesterday was an anomaly in any game I've seen in Croker or Semple with so many tight ones. Those shots were really high and close to the posts. The point is that it is rare, and the right decisions were made. It was used where they were unsure, and then that occasion when it overturned when the wrong decision was made. It is working exactly as it is intended.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 04/07/2022 14:40:18    2429657

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I at times wonder is Hawk Eye as arbitary as the eyes of the 2 men on the posts! How have the GAA guaranteed its accuracy?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 04/07/2022 14:42:31    2429659

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Hawkeye officials are supposed to alert the referee each time umpires or ref makes the wrong call.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 04/07/2022 14:47:49    2429663

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As a Galway man I hated seeing the point being taken away, and the fact it happened 5 minutes later was salt in the wounds.

But all that aside, I'm wondering what was going on at that end with the umpires. Hawkeye wasn't needed at the other end but came into play 3 times there and twice showed the umpires to have been wrong. Someone needs a trip to specsavers.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 04/07/2022 14:52:25    2429666

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Replying To festinog:  "As a Galway man I hated seeing the point being taken away, and the fact it happened 5 minutes later was salt in the wounds.

But all that aside, I'm wondering what was going on at that end with the umpires. Hawkeye wasn't needed at the other end but came into play 3 times there and twice showed the umpires to have been wrong. Someone needs a trip to specsavers."
As a Galway man I hated seeing the point being taken away, and the fact it happened 5 minutes later was salt in the wounds.

But all that aside, I'm wondering what was going on at that end with the umpires. Hawkeye wasn't needed at the other end but came into play 3 times there and twice showed the umpires to have been wrong. Someone needs a trip to specsavers.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 2958 - 04/07/2022 14:52:25

5 Minutes ????

There could have been another 3 or 4 points in the same end during that time and nobody would have known which one was been chalked off.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 04/07/2022 15:28:08    2429678

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Yesterday was an anomaly in any game I've seen in Croker or Semple with so many tight ones. Those shots were really high and close to the posts. The point is that it is rare, and the right decisions were made. It was used where they were unsure, and then that occasion when it overturned when the wrong decision was made. It is working exactly as it is intended."
It was no anomaly in Walsh Park this year when right behind the goal it was obvious a Tipp ball went over the bar and a Patrick Curran free was wide. I would say it is any thing but rare where technology is not available. These umpires don't cut it with the speed of the ball and positions players take shots from anymore. Time to make them obsolete and provide more and better officiating on the field of play to control the game.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 04/07/2022 15:28:08    2429679

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Replying To Alwaysencourage:  "Should be time limit for hawkeye.If it can't give Ta or Nil within 60 to seconds of being asked then umpire/ref decision should stand.No going back.Waiting around for 2 to 3 mins for it to make up its mind breaks up the game."
But the delayed call that took Galway down from 5 points to 4, did not break up the play at all. That's the issue. The on-time Hawkeye calls generally take 20-30 seconds to call. That's far faster than the 4th official takes in rugby to adjudicate controversial incidents. And that hasn't taken on iota from the game of rugby.

Hawkeye takes nothing from Gaelic games, but adds a lot. It's great technology, and the only issue I have with it, is that it isn't in every county ground.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 04/07/2022 16:18:28    2429695

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "But the delayed call that took Galway down from 5 points to 4, did not break up the play at all. That's the issue. The on-time Hawkeye calls generally take 20-30 seconds to call. That's far faster than the 4th official takes in rugby to adjudicate controversial incidents. And that hasn't taken on iota from the game of rugby.

Hawkeye takes nothing from Gaelic games, but adds a lot. It's great technology, and the only issue I have with it, is that it isn't in every county ground."
The rugby TMO is a fourth official adjudicating on incidents based on different camera angles in a slower game than gaelic football or hurling. Their decision is open to interpretation.

Hawkeye is a computerised system which gives an instantaneous judgement whether a ball has passed between the posts or not. If it's set up correctly it should never be wrong. I wonder though if it's the grey area where refs have different interpretations of the rules, some might be reluctant to listen to Hawkeye decisions if it questions their calls.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 04/07/2022 17:00:55    2429708

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