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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Fair enough Peadarw but other posters were on saying Kerry holding onto the ball and it's not right.My point is most teams do it and if you're ahead it's the smart thing to do Its not great to look at but it's a results business and teams will do what is needed to get over the line.i know Jack o Conor made that point when Donegal beat Kerry a few years back (in my opinion he should've been a bit more gracious in defeat and while for him (team)to play a style similar to it last Sunday does seem hypocritical ,you have to hold your hands up and say fair play to him for adapting his style to get the job done.To me it shows he is moving with the times and willing to try new things.Do I like no it's a hard watch sometimes but if you're not breaking any rules and it works why wouldn't you do it."
Just on the Kerry Donegal thing. I read Jim McGuinness s book. A good honest read and sad too for other reasons but he stated in the book quite clearly that when Donegal beat Kerry in 2012 quarter final that Kerry were so classy in defeat and the aftermath.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3914 - 12/07/2022 19:11:18    2431747

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2 fantastic teams. In my opinion another 5 minutes and Dublin had it won as they had great momentum built. Great game for a neutral to watch. Thanks for a great spectacle.

tidytownman (Donegal) - Posts: 298 - 12/07/2022 19:22:26    2431750

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Any comment on C. Costello's "tackle" on the Kerry full-back at the 68th minute?"
sure yes, red, send 'em all off

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1736 - 12/07/2022 19:47:00    2431756

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "please correct me if I am mistaken but was Comerford not kicked in the head?
He didn't feign injury imo"
That was the bizarre thing; he spent nearly three minutes on the ground when there was no evidence of an injury, but then later, after the penalty when he actually got a fair clatter, he was up and about moments later. As someone else has so rightly pointed out: he's no Cluxton.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3148 - 12/07/2022 20:28:03    2431762

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Great game Kerry just had enough, if Con had of been fit might have been a different story but anyway it sets up a great final, Galway have the confidence about them to win a final, they won't do a Mayo on it,
Suppose Kerry will be favs for it but Galway will give them their fill of it.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3186 - 12/07/2022 21:41:47    2431774

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Just on the Kerry Donegal thing. I read Jim McGuinness s book. A good honest read and sad too for other reasons but he stated in the book quite clearly that when Donegal beat Kerry in 2012 quarter final that Kerry were so classy in defeat and the aftermath."
Well Ciarraimick,I'm not saying Kerry aren't classy in defeat no not at all.Other posters brought up Jack o conor quote after the defeat to Donegal bata agus bother line if Kerry played football like that he would be sacked in the morning.it does come across a bit of sore loser although I'm sure it was off the cuff remark or heat of the moment.i ve no problem with Kerry fans,in fact I remember back in the day (2001)when we beat yee by 16 points every Kerry fan I met were gracious in defeat despite the fact that some Meath fans at the end were oleing every pass which i (Sean boylan as well)thought was disrespectful to Kerry and no need for it.Karma came back to bite us in the butt in the final when Galway beat us well and they olayed us.As I have said in other post s all teams play keep ball at some stages in games and if you're not breaking any rules and it works why not do it ,do I like it ?no, we would all would prefer free flowing games but it's a results business and managers and teams will do what they can to get over the line.On Jim McGuinness book as you say a great read,really enjoyed it and has its ups and very low downs in it very honest and open book.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 344 - 13/07/2022 10:19:22    2431800

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Fair enough Saffron but I must i also admit I hated Tyrone s style v Kerry in 03 semi but they played brilliant entertaining football beating us in 05 and 08 and I enjoyed it (not the result of course). I hated Donegal style v Dubs in 2011 but I enjoyed watching them in 2012 when they vest us. Also many I know here have the utmost respect for Tyrone and Donegal. Also our last three enthralling games were Dublin on Sunday Tyrone last year and the drawn super 8s v Donegal in 2019.Of course we all want a gung hó man for Man end to end stuff but it does nt happen anymore. Mickey Harte changed footballs defensive structure and Jimmy McGuinness brought it up a new level. The biggest compliment is that Dublin Kerry and Galway all took lots of it on board. Hoping for an exciting final though regardless."
Tactics evolve in a lot of sports and it doesn't happen over night either. Sometimes you'll break a few eggs to make the omelette. There were some poor quality games like the ones you mentioned. But the narrative at the time was 'the death of football' etc. Today it is almost essential to play with these tactics at certain times to see out games. Every team uses them is right and that's fine by me. But it should always have been fine to use is my main point yet it was made to feel like breaking omerta at the time. Hopefully now people see the bigger picture.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 13/07/2022 10:39:59    2431802

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Saffron, I can't see what your problem is. Kerry played attacking football when they had to, they played defensive football when they had to, they kept the ball when they had to, perfect game management. Only problem I had was the booing when they played keep ball, were the supporters booing new to the game? Top two teams in Ireland and it went down to the wire."
That's not what I'm saying. Fair play to Kerry for winning the way they did. It's just the attitude in previous years when other counties used any tactics that weren't man for man. They weren't appreciated. Just to clarify I hope every county can receive praise for doing what they have to in the interest of winning an AI. Hopefully we see a good close final now too

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 13/07/2022 10:46:26    2431804

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "please correct me if I am mistaken but was Comerford not kicked in the head?
He didn't feign injury imo"
You obviously didn't bother to watch the match when you come along with a comment like that. Try RTE player and you should find it

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2100 - 13/07/2022 10:46:48    2431805

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Well Ciarraimick,I'm not saying Kerry aren't classy in defeat no not at all.Other posters brought up Jack o conor quote after the defeat to Donegal bata agus bother line if Kerry played football like that he would be sacked in the morning.it does come across a bit of sore loser although I'm sure it was off the cuff remark or heat of the moment.i ve no problem with Kerry fans,in fact I remember back in the day (2001)when we beat yee by 16 points every Kerry fan I met were gracious in defeat despite the fact that some Meath fans at the end were oleing every pass which i (Sean boylan as well)thought was disrespectful to Kerry and no need for it.Karma came back to bite us in the butt in the final when Galway beat us well and they olayed us.As I have said in other post s all teams play keep ball at some stages in games and if you're not breaking any rules and it works why not do it ,do I like it ?no, we would all would prefer free flowing games but it's a results business and managers and teams will do what they can to get over the line.On Jim McGuinness book as you say a great read,really enjoyed it and has its ups and very low downs in it very honest and open book."
I could be wrong but I think Jack O'Connor made those comments in the 'Jimmy's winning matches' programme.
It was a close game against Kerry in 2012,I think we nipped them by a point. Kerry are never easy beat, He was gracious in defeat and wished us well v Cork in the semi final, now that was the best game I ever seen Donegal play till the crowd started doing the 'ole's' towards the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjQrnImT_k

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3186 - 13/07/2022 11:11:39    2431814

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Back to the game itself, the tension at the end was something else.
Just one thing I thought at the time, and having watched it back since, my opinion is still the same.
I don't think the free given at the end was a foul. Byrne got his hand on the ball from behind and still had his hand on the ball only, when the ref blew. He didn't pull Clifford at all, from what I have seen.
It's one of those that will he given as he was coming from behind, but it's hard to see any contact made with Clifford.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2321 - 13/07/2022 15:23:59    2431898

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "please correct me if I am mistaken but was Comerford not kicked in the head?
He didn't feign injury imo"
He didn't feign injury after penalty was taken but before it his injury looked dubious enough. O'Shea unintentionally kicked him in the head with his left foot after he drew on the loose ball with his right.

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7978 - 13/07/2022 15:37:43    2431900

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Well Ciarraimick,I'm not saying Kerry aren't classy in defeat no not at all.Other posters brought up Jack o conor quote after the defeat to Donegal bata agus bother line if Kerry played football like that he would be sacked in the morning.it does come across a bit of sore loser although I'm sure it was off the cuff remark or heat of the moment.i ve no problem with Kerry fans,in fact I remember back in the day (2001)when we beat yee by 16 points every Kerry fan I met were gracious in defeat despite the fact that some Meath fans at the end were oleing every pass which i (Sean boylan as well)thought was disrespectful to Kerry and no need for it.Karma came back to bite us in the butt in the final when Galway beat us well and they olayed us.As I have said in other post s all teams play keep ball at some stages in games and if you're not breaking any rules and it works why not do it ,do I like it ?no, we would all would prefer free flowing games but it's a results business and managers and teams will do what they can to get over the line.On Jim McGuinness book as you say a great read,really enjoyed it and has its ups and very low downs in it very honest and open book."
Nice one Proudroyal but don't be reminding me if 2001 semi lol. I remember that day too but not fondly. Meath gave an exhibition that that and absolutely destroyed us.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3914 - 13/07/2022 20:43:07    2431953

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Nice one Proudroyal but don't be reminding me if 2001 semi lol. I remember that day too but not fondly. Meath gave an exhibition that that and absolutely destroyed us."
Unfortunately Mick,I have to go back to the past these days to remember the glory days but hopefully we will awaken soon.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 344 - 15/07/2022 09:39:50    2432146

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