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The same why that every other county can change their style of play without question but it's an issue if Kerry do it?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 11/07/2022 10:43:44 2431289 Link 0 |
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All this Con talk is getting a bit boring…. He was playing against Mayo last year and did nothing…. Kerry were the better team and deserved to win but they nearly dirtied the togs when the pressure came on….. Great winning score by O Shea who was immense throughout and didn't let the woeful attempt at a penalty dull his confidence….. Clifford is a joy to watch and if Galway are to have any chance in the final they will have to curtail his influence…. That won't be an easy task… I'm looking forward to a great Final…. Enjoy the build up CiarraiMick…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3845 - 11/07/2022 11:01:30 2431295 Link 1 |
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All this Con talk is getting a bit boring…. He was playing against Mayo last year and did nothing…. Kerry were the better team and deserved to win but they nearly dirtied the togs when the pressure came on….. Great winning score by O Shea who was immense throughout and didn't let the woeful attempt at a penalty dull his confidence….. Clifford is a joy to watch and if Galway are to have any chance in the final they will have to curtail his influence…. That won't be an easy task… I'm looking forward to a great Final…. Enjoy the build up CiarraiMick…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3845 - 11/07/2022 11:10:26 2431304 Link 0 |
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Sorry dont understand why people are having a pop at Kerry for keeping the ball,sure most counties do it.Dublin have done it plenty of times,most teams do it .Its game management,taking the risk out of it.Why would Kerry kick a 50/50 balls in all the time while Dublin had most players back behind the ball and get punished for it.Do I like it no of course not but just to single out Kerry for doing it is wrong,as nearly every county does to an extent.Kerry held the ball for 3/4 minutes yesterday to suck Dublin out who had 15 men behind the ball and got a score from it.while it's not an easy watch you have to hold your hands up to them for keeping the ball under such pressure and managing to get the score.The free Kerry got at the end came from a 30 yard pass in and could have easily been intercepted (nearly was(what if Dublin turned it over and went up and scored the winner ?)I'm sure people in Kerry and pundits alike would be saying why didn't he just keep the ball?lThere was some very good scored yesterday Clifford kicked a couple of classy points while McCarthy kicked a great point for Dublin and Costellos goal was so well taken.Unless they changed the rules we can expect more of keep ball going down the line.While we would all like more free flowing games if you're ahead and have the ball the other team cant hurt you. Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 344 - 11/07/2022 11:17:47 2431307 Link 0 |
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Not at all, I've no issue with Kerry changing their style of play. But the Donegal poster was right, it's funny to see them play like yesterday when you consider that bata agus bothar quote from O'Connor. More a comment on O'Connor rather than Kerry - they've already changed their style to win an All-Ireland in 2014 and I'd no issue with how they set up that day. But I think in terms of style changes or how counties play, it's really how people perceive it more than anything. Dublin went long periods without a score yesterday, poor structure in attack in my opinion, over and back handpassing with not much at the end of it especially in that first half, but O'Rourke is calling yesterday the greatest he's ever seen. Kerry held onto the ball for 2-3 minutes in the 2nd half before engineering an opening for a Paudie Clifford fisted point, and Dublin didn't come out of their structure in those 2-3 minutes in spite of being 2 points down and needing the ball. Other counties would get lambasted for that, for both Kerry's possession play and Dublin sticking to their structure. I've no problem with it but there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around. And don't get me wrong I really enjoyed the match yesterday. But the breathlessness about the quality on display... I thought Kerry were a good 4-5 points better than Dublin and only for an absolutely terrible turnover in the middle of the field, with a wondergoal at the end of it, they would've been comfortable enough winners. But the original point was about the quality of players - by your standard there, nobody from a county like Donegal would ever be allowed comment about the standard they've been watching, purely because their own county aren't at the top table at the minute. It's a nonsense. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 11/07/2022 11:22:44 2431309 Link 2 |
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Well done Kerry. We were awful in the first half and Clifford ran riot. Not sure why we left him 1 on 1 so often and he the best inside forward around. We were seriously lacking a target man up front and why Paddy Small, our only other target when Con isn't playing, didn't start I'll never know. Good fight back though and possibly the goal of the season from Costello. Kerry deserved winners though. Galway will need to shackle Clifford and O'Shea to win the final. Easier said than done. We'll be back next year. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 11/07/2022 11:23:28 2431310 Link 7 |
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O Shea's right foot connected with the ball. He was entitled to kick it. His left foot made contact with Comerfords head ad he was falling. It was right in front of the referee and 3 umpires and they were all happy with the decision. Galligan deserved to go for a mis timed dangerous shoulder
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2100 - 11/07/2022 11:25:04 2431311 Link 0 |
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It was Kerry pundits, management, supporters and players who were all outspoken about these tactics. When the rest of Ireland were congratulating Donegal, Tyrone etc for AI success they were telling us they were tainted AI's and not won the right way or Kerry county board wouldnt stand for this nonsense etc. Usually happens when they don't have a handy path to an AI. The truth is, when it suits their AI needs, they will use the same tactics as other counties to get there. I have no problem with them playing that way. I do have a problem with their double standard criticism of others using it though. You can't have it both ways.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 11/07/2022 11:31:35 2431312 Link 2 |
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I don't agree. Con is their target man and causes chaos when in possession allowing the other forwards space. Its not always about scoring. It's his clever movement and strength along with his eye for goal that makes him special.
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 11/07/2022 11:33:56 2431314 Link 0 |
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Clifford scares me. What a player galwayman2 (Galway) - Posts: 1308 - 11/07/2022 11:37:55 2431318 Link 0 |
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O'Shea had every right to go for it however going for the ball and sliding in out of control of your own momentum are two different things. It was reckless. If a player out the pitch is going to pick it up a ball and you slide in on him like that it would be a straight red. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1920 - 11/07/2022 11:39:37 2431319 Link 1 |
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I never mentioned anything about Tyrone, but trying to make it about Tyrone is only underlining my point. I just find it odd and petty how Kerry people, having won so many, really hold a grudge when they do lose one and make out that the other team has pulled a stroke or don't play the right football. Kerry have very often adopted the tactics they claim to despise when they lose to it. I don't remember Kerry contesting any of the Dublin kick outs as an example. I was pointing out the reliance Kerry have on those three players and they don't seem to have (m)any other serious scoring / creative forwards in the starting team or bench. My own county is irrelevant to that point. HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 11/07/2022 11:47:32 2431327 Link 1 |
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Dublin have now failed to make the All Ireland final for two years in a row. Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 11/07/2022 12:01:28 2431332 Link 2 |
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Yes Dublin will be back and will be very strong. I was very skeptical about Dublin before yesterday , poor League campaign and although Championship was decent they had played no strong team and all the teams they did play looked like they were beaten before the start. But yesterday Dublin were really really good against an excellent Kerry team , and it would NOT have been a travesty of justice were the Dubs to have won that game. Dublin will breeze through Division 2 next year and be serious serious contenders to reclaim SAM in 2023. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 982 - 11/07/2022 12:08:41 2431336 Link 1 |
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Thanks Forever
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3917 - 11/07/2022 12:19:38 2431339 Link 0 |
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Thanks Joxer and yes Dubs will be back next year. Great comeback and a class goal by Costello that Messi would be proud of. Kerry got the rub of the green yesterday.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3917 - 11/07/2022 12:23:40 2431341 Link 0 |
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The way many from Ulster are very quick to say all of Kerry's All Irelands are tainted? Just like you just said in this post?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 11/07/2022 12:30:12 2431345 Link 0 |
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But it does though. In the last 20 years there's been few sorer losers than Tyrone. You'll of course disagree with that and it's not every Tyrone fan. But I suppose it's anti Ulster to say that....
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 11/07/2022 12:32:23 2431347 Link 0 |
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I've never called any county's AI success tainted. Have another read there, you might have better luck at the second swing.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 11/07/2022 12:42:30 2431352 Link 1 |
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Most teams have only one, maybe two real standout scorers. That is obvious. The half forward line is the hard working, creative one and inside line finishes usually. Obviously there are exceptions but to have three forwards who can score regularly is a super return. Others will chip in and out obviously but they are there to win breaks, feed in the ball, track runners, defend deep etc. Dooher was a prime example of that. Completely different to canavan, o Neill etc but no less important.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 11/07/2022 12:56:40 2431359 Link 0 |