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Agree…screw the journey at this stage. You must win the all Ireland and we've had countless opportunities and found a way to lose them all, some in bizarre circumstances. Unfortunately for us the last 10 years was a missed opportunity and we should have taken at least one of not two or three. Any other county would have. We are now in rebuild mode again and I don't think we will witness a spell of getting to every semi final or final again in my lifetime. So frustrating. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11564 - 02/07/2022 13:31:38 2429177 Link 0 |
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No because i see lots of talent in the team at the moment, like i have seen in the past. And lots of talent in the club scene Pre 2011 we got hammered by armagh by 10 points, and the exact same questions were being asked. Tidy footballers, but lacked mental toughness, soft and just not good enough. Then a top quality manager came in and reversed that notion, and instilled a toughness in the team. This current manager we have has had a total of 8 years in charge of the team in two spells and not one semi final. I followed Donegal football for 30 years, and in my opinion we have always had talented footballers, just lacked ambition and belief. Something a top quality manager brings. James horan ultimately did not win the main prize that everyone wants. But you definitely have to admit he improved mayo, and they always competed and gave probably the greatest team every in dublin a run for there money. Mayo get lots of stick for being bottlers and so on, but i can guarantee them dublin players who played mayo, have the upmost respect for them mayo teams. I would take james horan in a heart beat in Donegal, he may not won the all Ireland with us, but at least he would instill a fighting spirit that you have to admire in the mayo team he managed. The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 03/07/2022 20:22:48 2429503 Link 1 |
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But Rochford also went as close if not closer than horan and has won all Ireland at club level. Ye have him there at the moment? I think some donegal players think they are better than they actually are
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 04/07/2022 10:51:11 2429579 Link 0 |
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Horan is a much better manager than Rochford.
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1207 - 04/07/2022 11:20:45 2429589 Link 2 |
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Noone from Donegal is saying we're world beaters. But we're definitely better than what we showed in 2022. We whipped Armagh in Ballybofey and only lost to much lauded Derry by 2 points in the Ulster final. After a terrible start against Armagh in the qualifier we played some unreal stuff to get ahead of them. The 10 minute period before half time killed us and we couldn't recover. From watching Donegal this year we didn't put one 70 minute performance together. When we did properly move through the gears we looked decent. I think with a new voice in the dressing room and a bit of luck there's no reason we can't be aiming for the last 8 at least every season. There is a lot of talented raw material there, the question is are we fully harnessing it at the moment. I would suggest not. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9762 - 04/07/2022 12:25:23 2429607 Link 1 |
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Based on what metrics? Don't tell me horan won connacht x amount of times. Sure id win connacht with mayo every year or 2. All they have in competition is galway consistently and roscommon every few years. Rochford actually has all Ireland win to his name plus two all Ireland final appearances with mayo in three years. So I respectfully disagree with you.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 04/07/2022 15:09:11 2429673 Link 0 |
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So you'd win Connacht titles with Mayo yet Rochford wasn't able to?
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 04/07/2022 15:38:18 2429682 Link 1 |
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He obviously timed runs to challenge for all Ireland. Wasnt interested in connacht as its no novelty for mayo to win them.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 04/07/2022 16:34:32 2429701 Link 0 |
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Timed his run? More like we got fortunate runs through the qualifiers. What would your opinion be if we got beaten by Dublin in the quarter finals of 2016 and 17. It would have put a completely different slant on Rochford's time. 2022 was a write off for Mayo yet we still got to a national league final and beat two division 1 teams in championship. During Rochford's three years we only beat two division 1 teams in total and needed a replay both times. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 04/07/2022 16:50:16 2429706 Link 0 |
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I'd agree. Horan built the team Rochford took over and had to build a 2nd team after Rochford Mayo went out tamely to Kildare in 2018. Rochford was more of lucky manager than a good manager with Mayo. A number of qualifiers they could easily have lost. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3610 - 04/07/2022 20:29:06 2429745 Link 0 |
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Horan is better at bringing players through and building teams in general than Rochford. However, Rochford's ability to vary a game plan tailored to an opposition is much better than Horans. He also arguably got far closer than Horan ever did in any of his finals. I would say bar 2013, none of Horan's Mayo teams were in with a shout to win a final in the last 10 minutes even ( Dublin even won pulling up on 2013). Rochford's Mayo put, arguably the greatest team of all time, to the pin of their collars in 3 finals. A***pirate (Mayo) - Posts: 97 - 04/07/2022 21:16:14 2429757 Link 0 |
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And then when he got to the All Ireland final he made a pigs ear of it with his substitutions and selections…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3846 - 05/07/2022 08:13:02 2429768 Link 0 |
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Youre obviously a horan fan i get that. I'm.not saying he's a bad manager at all. He did very well. However so did Rochford, maybe even better.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 05/07/2022 09:57:32 2429781 Link 0 |
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Sure you could say that about any team. Dublin could have lost to mayo, could have lost to kerry, limerick could have lost to galway could have lost to clare! Point is they didn't!!
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 05/07/2022 09:58:43 2429783 Link 0 |
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in fairness to Rochford he came as close as you could possibly come, some of the things that went against him were surreal, 2 own goals? when have you ever seen that happen, I think Dublin were leading by 2 after 30 minutes and hadn't even scored themselves, he hasn't had much effect in Donegal though, maybe we need Horan up here now with Rochford as his number 2 !! Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3187 - 05/07/2022 10:10:50 2429786 Link 0 |
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Dublin did lose to Mayo twice, while Horan was manager.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 05/07/2022 10:28:06 2429794 Link 0 |
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Rochford is very unlikely to win us an All Ireland if he comes back. He took some risks, many of them stupid ones but trying the same thing year in year out got us nowhere. Also lets not forget his selectors had a big say, the O'Sheas, Cillian O'Connor, Alan Dillon and Andy Moran! Horan was too cautious. He changed the culture of the Mayo team massively, brought on sone great talent, probably any manager would have brought them in but he made the setup more professional. Brought in outside coaches in his first term, refused to do so in his second term, to the detriment of the squad. I thought he should have resigned after the 2020 final when started playing the second half of an All Ireland final in defensive mode with an extra man after the hiding Dublin gave us at the start of the second half. For me Horan was afraid to lose finals, Rochford wanted to win them. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7981 - 05/07/2022 11:49:55 2429818 Link 2 |
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And mayo also lost to Dublin while horan was manager. Whats your point??
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 05/07/2022 11:55:03 2429820 Link 0 |
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That makes no sense. Do you remember the 2016 drawn final? That game was there to be won as Dublin were well off the pace. Yet we had Kevin McLoughlin playing as a permanent sweeper and he ends up scoring an own goal. A prime Lee Keegan spent the whole game in the full back line marking Connolly and didn't drive forward at all. The first time Lee went forward in the replay he scored a goal! He repeated the trick in 2017 too. The All Ireland final vs Tyrone last year we created 4 or 5 clear goal chances. That has never happened us before in a final. How can you say Horan was too cautious? It's the right time now for Horan to step away, but Rochford had his chance too so we need a new voice. Solan would be my choice. Knows all the best players in the early/mid 20s age bracket from his time as U21 manager. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 05/07/2022 12:34:51 2429839 Link 0 |
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Time will be a lot kinder to Horan as Mayo Manager than Rochford. You are more than entitled to rate Rochford as a better manager. I personally don't rate him to highly, Had a nightmare with Donegal as selector but if he had no say he wouldn't have stayed year on year. As said above he had a lot of luck in fixture draws. Cost Mayo with a stupid keeper change and used a defensive system that Holmes and Connelly introduced with Barry Moran dropping, at times so was nothing new. Horan has done as much as he could with Mayo and it was time to go but he would be very high up on a dream appointment when the Roscommon job becomes available for me anyway. Don't think he would have any interest sadly though sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1207 - 05/07/2022 12:41:50 2429844 Link 0 |