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Why will the pressure be huge to bate France or the All Blacks? Neither France nor NZ will be expecting to lose that game, so where is this 'huge pressure'? Are we suddenly saying that not alone can we beat the All Blacks, but our expectations have now swelled to the point where we must be beating them, and are apparently under 'huge pressure' to do so.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3840 - 19/09/2023 12:08:19 2504791 Link 0 |
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Ireland have never been beyond the quarters and that is pressure in itself. We can't suddenly turn around and talk about how hard the draw was. If Ireland end up playing NZ and losing it will have been a failure from everyone involved. I am not a rugby basher and you will know that but at some point the excuses have to stop, especially if we get NZ, we will probably be favourites if we put in a good performance this weekend.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8077 - 19/09/2023 14:18:05 2504823 Link 2 |
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Previous history is just that, I dont think it something that worries this group too much. They are in a good position to write their own, yes it is a stick that will be used to beat them if they fail to get beyond quater final. Majority of tier one sides will be under pressure to win and will face big backlash unless they win it outright. No excuses will be entertained by SA, NZ and especially France if they fail. From now on all our games come with pressure but nothing we cannot handle. If we are beaten it will be by a superior team on the day.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 19/09/2023 14:23:16 2504824 Link 5 |
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If we're favourites to beat NZ in a world cup q-final, I think that is a huge progression and accolade for Ireland, win lose or draw the actual game itself. It's inconceivable that any Ireland side 1987-2019 would have been favoured to beat NZ at a world cup. Yet we're 'troubled' by our track record in the competition, and 'worry' that the current squad will be too. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3840 - 19/09/2023 16:50:22 2504845 Link 1 |
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Lads we need to get a grip here. If we play NZ or France in a QF and lose there are no excuses. We can't keep moving the goalposts and talk about how well we did to get to a place where we were maybe slight favourites etc etc.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8077 - 20/09/2023 12:52:45 2504927 Link 2 |
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Don't think anyone is making excuses, Ireland have gotten themselves into position where they expect to win every game, we are where we are on merit. However, there are several facts (not escuses) that make it very difficult to do so. Very skewed group draw, fourth most popular team sport in Ireland, small numbers playing game compared to other top nations, plus it looks like we will have to beat all the top teams to get over the line, incliding the favourites and home side France. Its a huge task and great to see the positive vibes coming from all in Irish camp. Supporters and media will make excuses, but you will not hear any from team, win or loose. What more can we expect?
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 20/09/2023 15:41:12 2504970 Link 0 |
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I know you won't hear it from them. But if we lose to SA then lose our quarter final then we will have flopped. End of story.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8077 - 20/09/2023 16:01:00 2504974 Link 1 |
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Did Mayo 'flop' 13 times since 1989 in all ireland finals, or were some failures flops, and other failures not so flops? Are all failures flops by definition? Or are some failures not flops by definition? 89 96 96 97 04 06 12 13 16 16 17 20 21 would be the instances to apply your 'floppometer' gadget to, for reference. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3840 - 20/09/2023 17:21:53 2504997 Link 0 |
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I'm in agreement that if this Irish team doesn't reach a semi final it'll be deemed a failure again..also I would have to question why the group draw was made almost 3 years ago..3 teams in Irish group ranked in the top 6..can I also ask more knowledgeable people than me,when has it become a thing to celebrate teams make a mistake like a knock on?I've noticed it a lot with some teams..even a ball not straight in a line out is celebrated..one other thing when a try is scored the subs joining in behind the goals,surely this is a dodgy situation to have happening.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2338 - 20/09/2023 18:55:39 2505009 Link 0 |
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Very narrow viewpoint, we can exit at quaterfinal without flopping, there would be no great shame if we were beaten by the top two nations, provided we leave everything on the pitch. Most supporters realise the massive effort it will take and this group have shown they have what it takes. The story is never over in sport, it's what keeps us returning year after year, be it football or rugby..
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 20/09/2023 19:02:40 2505011 Link 3 |
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Ireland won't necessarily have to beat France to win the World Cup.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2644 - 20/09/2023 23:02:09 2505024 Link 0 |
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I have consistently defended the rugby team on here for years and years. Bringing up Mayo is just childish. I am talking about Ireland not getting past a quarter final, ever. I think they can this time but if they don't perform well this weekend and are beaten well and then lose a quarter final it will be a flop for sure.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8077 - 21/09/2023 13:29:01 2505053 Link 1 |
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True, but would be happy to meet them in final.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 21/09/2023 15:10:07 2505078 Link 0 |
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Quite a difference between not preforming and being beaten by a better team. We certainly underperformed in Japan and rightly came in for plenty of flack. Losing to a superior team is never a flop. Good to see management sticking to their guns and going with the 5/3 split. No surprise if there is a late injury for SA in warm up and Pollard is called up fot a 6/2 split. Should be a fantastic game, hopefully free of cards.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 21/09/2023 15:23:08 2505083 Link 0 |
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I think it's huge if they can win Saturday they are in a great place mentally going forward. I think they can win by the way, I am not trying to be some negative lad constantly being critical but these are the games to prove this group is different gravy to previous teams.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8077 - 21/09/2023 15:59:38 2505091 Link 1 |
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Very poor decision by World Rugby to have draw so early, Ireland in group with three teams from top five and if we progress must face one of the other top four in quater final. Excose was something to do with tickets and booking hotels, load of rubbish. Agree subs hanging around end line is not good, as seen in last nights game, Italy player running into one of his own subs when scoring try. Over the top celebrations for minor wins have creeped into game. It seems to be the norm for team sports, we see plenty in our own games No big deal as long as it's not in you face trying to get reaction type of thing, some ref's come down hard on over the top stuff and have seen penelty reversed for such antics. Back slapping and urging you teammates on is just part of sport. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 21/09/2023 16:52:20 2505099 Link 0 |
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If this years 6 Nations match between them is anything to go by; it would have the makings of a cracking final. But enough talk of finals. One game at a time. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2644 - 21/09/2023 17:03:37 2505101 Link 1 |
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We have only once performed in a QF and its the only time we were also beaten by a team that won it. Arguably we had no reason to be close to Australia that day. I don't buy your argument on not performing but still being a better team - preforming at the highest level when you have to is part of being a better team - you cannot claim you are a better team if you lose fair and square.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1880 - 21/09/2023 18:07:54 2505104 Link 1 |
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Seadog I've no problem with urging team mates on but it's the whole fist pumping ***** when opposition make mistakes that gets me..our English pals are dire for it at the moment..I know plenty of this stuff goes on in our own Gaelic games..maybe I'm just taking to much notice due to it being a World Cup.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2338 - 21/09/2023 18:46:45 2505109 Link 0 |
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bringing up mayo isnt childish. the point is relevant. not all defeats are the same. we have a horrid draw and all depends on how ireland do in the quarters whether its a failure or not.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3644 - 21/09/2023 20:52:53 2505121 Link 0 |