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Replying To Lockjaw: "A bit harsh lads no? It's not being misogynistic to say that the standard of women's football is lower than men's. It just is.
It easy to be guilty of unfairly comparing the two. You also have to factor in that it was their first appearance at a World Cup, and playing in front of 75,000 plus people.
Yes they were lacking in quality in the final third. They definitely need to be better holding possession to relieve pressure and more importantly to offer a threat. But I thought that the endeavour and bravery they showed in taking it to Australia second half was commendable. They had them penned in and were unlucky not to equalise at least twice (the free-kick and McCabe's chance).
We can go all Roy Keane on it and criticise. But the fact is that these young women are going to leave a lasting legacy for our young girls at home to look up to, no matter what they do in their remaining games. That can only be a good thing." That Ireland squad has a lot of part time footballers in it, mowhere near the professional standards of the top countries. Hopefully they'll inspire plenty of young people to take up sport of any description. 100% it can only be a good thing.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7585 - 21/07/2023 10:40:31
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Replying To Lockjaw: "A bit harsh lads no? It's not being misogynistic to say that the standard of women's football is lower than men's. It just is.
It easy to be guilty of unfairly comparing the two. You also have to factor in that it was their first appearance at a World Cup, and playing in front of 75,000 plus people.
Yes they were lacking in quality in the final third. They definitely need to be better holding possession to relieve pressure and more importantly to offer a threat. But I thought that the endeavour and bravery they showed in taking it to Australia second half was commendable. They had them penned in and were unlucky not to equalise at least twice (the free-kick and McCabe's chance).
We can go all Roy Keane on it and criticise. But the fact is that these young women are going to leave a lasting legacy for our young girls at home to look up to, no matter what they do in their remaining games. That can only be a good thing." True and good luck to them, they are great role models for young girls, I like the way they put their hearts into singing the anthem unlike a lot of the senior men's team who likely haven't the faintest clue what the words are even.
The standard of football isn't great, but neither is our men's team in recent times, I hope they can win a game at least, they are a credit to themselves and their families whatever happens.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "True and good luck to them, they are great role models for young girls, I like the way they put their hearts into singing the anthem unlike a lot of the senior men's team who likely haven't the faintest clue what the words are even.
The standard of football isn't great, but neither is our men's team in recent times, I hope they can win a game at least, they are a credit to themselves and their families whatever happens." Name all these players in the men's senior team 'who likely haven't the faintest clue what the words are even.'?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2644 - 21/07/2023 15:10:27
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Well done Jim, you had the stamina to see the game out. I had enough after 15mins." A couple of them Aussie players were worth sitting through it with their silky, devine skin.. skills.. I mean skills.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20682 - 21/07/2023 15:14:59
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "You must have had very high expectations.....I think most people who were in any way realistic were expecting Ireland to get beaten by more. Certainly pre-match, a 2 or 3 nil defeat was a more likely outcome than an Ireland draw or win. I know the hype has been crazy but it's their first World Cup so getting one win from the 3 games would actually not be a bad achievement. I disagree too that "the only way is up".....today they played Australia who are ranked 10 in the world --- next game they play Canada who are ranked no. 7 in the world. After that game maybe you could say "the only way is up" !!!" Yet Nigeria who are ranked well below us at 40th, drew with the 7th ranked Canada in our group. As was mentioned New Zealand, who are also ranked below us beat a much higher ranked Norway. They did it by trying to play on the front foot from the start.
I thought we were far too defensive and only started to try to pin them back once we had conceded.
I heard one of the Irish players interviewed afterwards say that conceding the goal was the catalyst for them to attack. You shouldn't be waiting until you concede a goal before deciding to put some pressure on your opponent.
We'll hopefully see a more positive approach in the next two games.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2155 - 21/07/2023 18:46:28
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Replying To KillingFields: "Ah stop with the under 12 boys stuff and why be so petty
There an irish team in a world cup if you get get to support her hen that says a lot about you." If you're English was above a 12 year old in the slow class I might be able to answer that. From what I did gather, you seem to be annoyed that I don't want to watch a game at a poor standard. My choice I'm afraid, so deal with it.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2492 - 21/07/2023 19:36:54
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Replying To SaffronDon: "If you're English was above a 12 year old in the slow class I might be able to answer that. From what I did gather, you seem to be annoyed that I don't want to watch a game at a poor standard. My choice I'm afraid, so deal with it." Out of interest do you watch Antrim games in either code, male or female?
Or would the standard there be too poor compared to watching last weekends football semi finals or the hurling final this Sunday?
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 21/07/2023 21:44:48
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To be honest I don't see why there's a need to run down the standard of the women's team or to compare them to any men's team.
They've qualified for their first ever World Cup. There's maybe 2 genuinely world class players in our squad, along with girls playing here in Ireland training maybe 3 times a week as amateurs mixed in with a few professionals / semi-professionals from other leagues.
There was over 2,000 people at a watch party yesterday on the sports campus. There's 1000's of people travelling around Australia to support them. There's plenty of people bemoaning the lack of merchandise or flags, banners, bunting available to buy in shops. As a lot of the players have said themselves, they're trying to inspire the next generation and to give them something to aspire to. They're certainly going the right way about it I feel. None of these girls were afforded anywhere near the same level of coaching boys the same age would have had growing up and there's little to no infrastructure there to support them compared to what male players get at underage level here in Ireland.
Compare any female sports to their male equivalent and the standard will look poor. Take track and field events or swimming for example, the top female athletes are doing well to get within 90% of male performance levels at the very top of the sport.
An underage boys team would beat the women's team currently at the World Cup. So what? Any decent intercounty minor football or hurling team would hammer a senior intercounty camogie or ladies football team as well. Yet we don't have people going out of their way to run down the likes of Cork, Kilkenny, Galway, Meath or Dublin come the camogie or ladies football finals. An underage boy's rugby team would absolutely murder our senior women's 15s as well just like any decent amateur male boxed would batter Kelly Harrington.
Don't like the sports? Fair enough. Don't want to watch them? No bother.
But why men feel the need to run down a team competing in their first World Cup, and seem to be trying to outdo each other in how vocal they are about not liking, or caring about it just seems completely baffling to me.
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Replying To if_in_doubt: "Out of interest do you watch Antrim games in either code, male or female?
Or would the standard there be too poor compared to watching last weekends football semi finals or the hurling final this Sunday?" Because I'm around the club scene and know my fair share of players I do have an interest in the Antrim teams. Just like if I knew half that women's team I'd have more interest in them. But to watch the likes of Kildare hurlers getting a roasting from Carlow or whoever, nah you're all good kid.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2492 - 21/07/2023 23:35:31
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Replying To if_in_doubt: "To be honest I don't see why there's a need to run down the standard of the women's team or to compare them to any men's team.
They've qualified for their first ever World Cup. There's maybe 2 genuinely world class players in our squad, along with girls playing here in Ireland training maybe 3 times a week as amateurs mixed in with a few professionals / semi-professionals from other leagues.
There was over 2,000 people at a watch party yesterday on the sports campus. There's 1000's of people travelling around Australia to support them. There's plenty of people bemoaning the lack of merchandise or flags, banners, bunting available to buy in shops. As a lot of the players have said themselves, they're trying to inspire the next generation and to give them something to aspire to. They're certainly going the right way about it I feel. None of these girls were afforded anywhere near the same level of coaching boys the same age would have had growing up and there's little to no infrastructure there to support them compared to what male players get at underage level here in Ireland.
Compare any female sports to their male equivalent and the standard will look poor. Take track and field events or swimming for example, the top female athletes are doing well to get within 90% of male performance levels at the very top of the sport.
An underage boys team would beat the women's team currently at the World Cup. So what? Any decent intercounty minor football or hurling team would hammer a senior intercounty camogie or ladies football team as well. Yet we don't have people going out of their way to run down the likes of Cork, Kilkenny, Galway, Meath or Dublin come the camogie or ladies football finals. An underage boy's rugby team would absolutely murder our senior women's 15s as well just like any decent amateur male boxed would batter Kelly Harrington.
Don't like the sports? Fair enough. Don't want to watch them? No bother.
But why men feel the need to run down a team competing in their first World Cup, and seem to be trying to outdo each other in how vocal they are about not liking, or caring about it just seems completely baffling to me." Good point. It was the girls first WC. They did well to get there, let's enjoy it, and not run them down. One small thing. They all sang the National Anthem, some of the male equivalents do not know the words.
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Replying To WanPintWin: "Yet Nigeria who are ranked well below us at 40th, drew with the 7th ranked Canada in our group. As was mentioned New Zealand, who are also ranked below us beat a much higher ranked Norway. They did it by trying to play on the front foot from the start.
I thought we were far too defensive and only started to try to pin them back once we had conceded.
I heard one of the Irish players interviewed afterwards say that conceding the goal was the catalyst for them to attack. You shouldn't be waiting until you concede a goal before deciding to put some pressure on your opponent.
We'll hopefully see a more positive approach in the next two games." Yes that criticism is warranted I feel. Australia without Kerr were no great shakes. Is there a bit of the Trapattoni in Pauw I wonder? In that she doesn't trust the Irish players' football ability?
Fair enough sitting in early doors to get a feel for the game & seeing what Australia had to offer.
But anyway, it showed that they're well able to compete. Let's hope they can put more emphasis on attack in the Canada game without compromising on the solidity at the back they demonstrated on Thursday.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9477 - 22/07/2023 07:10:09
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Replying To if_in_doubt: "To be honest I don't see why there's a need to run down the standard of the women's team or to compare them to any men's team.
They've qualified for their first ever World Cup. There's maybe 2 genuinely world class players in our squad, along with girls playing here in Ireland training maybe 3 times a week as amateurs mixed in with a few professionals / semi-professionals from other leagues.
There was over 2,000 people at a watch party yesterday on the sports campus. There's 1000's of people travelling around Australia to support them. There's plenty of people bemoaning the lack of merchandise or flags, banners, bunting available to buy in shops. As a lot of the players have said themselves, they're trying to inspire the next generation and to give them something to aspire to. They're certainly going the right way about it I feel. None of these girls were afforded anywhere near the same level of coaching boys the same age would have had growing up and there's little to no infrastructure there to support them compared to what male players get at underage level here in Ireland.
Compare any female sports to their male equivalent and the standard will look poor. Take track and field events or swimming for example, the top female athletes are doing well to get within 90% of male performance levels at the very top of the sport.
An underage boys team would beat the women's team currently at the World Cup. So what? Any decent intercounty minor football or hurling team would hammer a senior intercounty camogie or ladies football team as well. Yet we don't have people going out of their way to run down the likes of Cork, Kilkenny, Galway, Meath or Dublin come the camogie or ladies football finals. An underage boy's rugby team would absolutely murder our senior women's 15s as well just like any decent amateur male boxed would batter Kelly Harrington.
Don't like the sports? Fair enough. Don't want to watch them? No bother.
But why men feel the need to run down a team competing in their first World Cup, and seem to be trying to outdo each other in how vocal they are about not liking, or caring about it just seems completely baffling to me." totally agree great post.We all should want maximum participation for our youth male or female in sport.Boys and Girls are different and in some sports male strength is an advantage but in others female agility is.But a question for the doubters would you prefer to watch the Tailteann cup winners or the reigning All Ireland womens football champions?
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Replying To jimbodub: "A couple of them Aussie players were worth sitting through it with their silky, devine skin.. skills.. I mean skills." Yeah we're at the misogynistic posts.... well done jimbodud... that really adds to things.
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Replying To SaffronDon: "If you're English was above a 12 year old in the slow class I might be able to answer that. From what I did gather, you seem to be annoyed that I don't want to watch a game at a poor standard. My choice I'm afraid, so deal with it." Nothing wrong woh my English. You need to look again at your original post which I has issue with.
I had a problem with your comparison as it was untrue and needless
You could have just said you didn't want to watch the game because you preferred to watch mens games.
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Replying To SaffronDon: "Because I'm around the club scene and know my fair share of players I do have an interest in the Antrim teams. Just like if I knew half that women's team I'd have more interest in them. But to watch the likes of Kildare hurlers getting a roasting from Carlow or whoever, nah you're all good kid." Fair point on the personal connection to players or a team pal - definitely creates an extra level of interest, especially for kids in any sport with any team or players.
I'd be of the same viewpoint with Antrim hurling or football as you would with Kildare hurling. Don't recall the Kildare hurlers ever actually being on tv save for the odd Christy Ring final.
If Antrim footballers ever get to the stage where a game or 2 is actually shown on tv I'll be sure to go out of my way to make the point they're at too low a standard for me to have any interest in :)
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 22/07/2023 10:19:44
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Yes that criticism is warranted I feel. Australia without Kerr were no great shakes. Is there a bit of the Trapattoni in Pauw I wonder? In that she doesn't trust the Irish players' football ability?
Fair enough sitting in early doors to get a feel for the game & seeing what Australia had to offer.
But anyway, it showed that they're well able to compete. Let's hope they can put more emphasis on attack in the Canada game without compromising on the solidity at the back they demonstrated on Thursday." She'd definitely on the more cautious side of things still.
It worked to an extent in the group stage against Sweden and Finland and again in the first half of the playoff away to Scotland. She's been playing that way for nearly 2 years though after changing the system to go with wingbacks and the box in midfield so it's hard to see her ever changing from it now.
She probably saw the game on Thursday as the toughest in group and could have been thinking lets keep goal difference to a minimum here.
Push McCabe further forward, start Abbie Larkin, move Megan Connolly to midfield and it's a different team completely I think. The match against Canada in Perth will be much more even I feel, the larger Irish crowd could make a bit of a difference there and with both teams failing to win in their opening it could lead to a more open attacking game.
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Hopefully we can all agree on one thing lads. Female soccer pundits and co-comms in the mens game, in both the UK and Ireland, are in the main woeful and are only kept on for diversity purposes
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Replying To eoghan6688: "Hopefully we can all agree on one thing lads. Female soccer pundits and co-comms in the mens game, in both the UK and Ireland, are in the main woeful and are only kept on for diversity purposes" 100%. And if anybody is in any doubt, tell them to tune into TalkSport whenever that Lianne Sanderson is on.
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Replying To KillingFields: "Nothing wrong woh my English. You need to look again at your original post which I has issue with.
I had a problem with your comparison as it was untrue and needless
You could have just said you didn't want to watch the game because you preferred to watch mens games." If my statement is untrue, then please tell me the level the women play at?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2492 - 22/07/2023 11:57:39
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Replying To if_in_doubt: "Fair point on the personal connection to players or a team pal - definitely creates an extra level of interest, especially for kids in any sport with any team or players.
I'd be of the same viewpoint with Antrim hurling or football as you would with Kildare hurling. Don't recall the Kildare hurlers ever actually being on tv save for the odd Christy Ring final.
If Antrim footballers ever get to the stage where a game or 2 is actually shown on tv I'll be sure to go out of my way to make the point they're at too low a standard for me to have any interest in :)" And you would be very entitled to make that point if that's what you choose to do. There's a reason Antrim doesn't have a county page or even a regular thread on here. I get it, nobody cares, which is fine. Obviously this doesn't apply if women are involved in a tournament with about the equivalent interest though.
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