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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Dies ut define what "the Irish Nation" is?
The article makes it legal for people from the 6 Cos to get Irish passports I suppose."
The Nineteenth Amendment of the constitution describes the "Irish Nation" as a community of individuals with a common identity.
I am going to have to start charging you for all this advice.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 387 - 17/07/2023 11:28:17    2495052

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "The Nineteenth Amendment of the constitution describes the "Irish Nation" as a community of individuals with a common identity.
I am going to have to start charging you for all this advice."
I hope you don't charge him too much because you couldn't be more wrong. The 19th amendment provides no such definition of the Irish nation (prove me wrong, provide a citation). I believe you're confusing the language that states "the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage." But that is not a definition of the nation. Article 3(1) of the same amendment goes on to state that it is "the firm will of the Irish nation" to unite all the people of the island of Ireland "in all the diversity of their identities and traditions…" So actually the exact opposite of the monoculture provided by your definition of the Irish nation.

Maybe the aulde law isn't your strongest suite a mhic.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 17/07/2023 13:51:52    2495100

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Replying To festinog:  "I hope you don't charge him too much because you couldn't be more wrong. The 19th amendment provides no such definition of the Irish nation (prove me wrong, provide a citation). I believe you're confusing the language that states "the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage." But that is not a definition of the nation. Article 3(1) of the same amendment goes on to state that it is "the firm will of the Irish nation" to unite all the people of the island of Ireland "in all the diversity of their identities and traditions…" So actually the exact opposite of the monoculture provided by your definition of the Irish nation.

Maybe the aulde law isn't your strongest suite a mhic."
Article 2&3 of the Irish Constitution and revised by the Nineteenth amendment could not be more clear.
As amended they grant the right to be " part of the Irish Nation" to all those people born on the island of Ireland. I think you are getting confused with a reference to citizen's rights.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 387 - 17/07/2023 15:18:12    2495149

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Good luck to the ladies at the World Cup in Australia. Will be flying the flag during the games. All The Best.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 19/07/2023 21:59:58    2495730

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Good luck to the ladies at the World Cup in Australia. Will be flying the flag during the games. All The Best."
A tough start but I just seen that Australia's Sam Kerr is out. A boost for our chances.
Ádh mór ar na girseachaí uilig go háirithe Amber Barret agus Ciara Grant as Tír Chonaill! :)

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9699 - 20/07/2023 10:28:37    2495755

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A decent half. Australia dominating but creating little. The Irish ladies are defending well. Katie McCabe with a couple of nice challenges, great to see. We'll need a better outlet second half to hold up the ball. Hopefully Amber Barrett can come in and provide that.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9699 - 20/07/2023 11:55:19    2495780

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Can't fault the ladies effort but they really offered nothing at all as an attacking force. Referee didn't give them much either.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 20/07/2023 13:01:27    2495795

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Can't fault the ladies effort but they really offered nothing at all as an attacking force. Referee didn't give them much either."
I thought they showed Australia too much respect. Once they started taking the game to them Ireland looked the better side. They were lacking in cutting edge though. Surprised Amber didn't get a run as she is good for a goal.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9699 - 20/07/2023 13:25:05    2495805

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You'd have to call it out, if it was the men they'd have been taken apart after that sort of showing.

Very poor first half, offered next to nothing going forward and barely strung two passes together, they were camped deep with zero outlet ball, fair play, they got to half time but deservedly went one down and then showed a little bit more after that, not sure it was ideal prep going into that game with all the nonsense against Columbia.

Overall, poor performance, technically and tactically. It can only get better and hopefully they can take something from the game, as there was a glimmer of something over the last 20 minutes. Disappointing performance but they still have plenty to play for, it's an old saying, but the only way is up.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/07/2023 13:38:28    2495808

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I couldn't bring myself to get behind that busted flush of an Ole Ole bandwagon to watch a game comparable to under 12 boys standard. Hats off to those who can and I know it's that time of year, I quiet one on the sporting calendar, but a good series would fill the void a lot better for me personally.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2557 - 20/07/2023 17:08:41    2495857

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You'd have to call it out, if it was the men they'd have been taken apart after that sort of showing.

Very poor first half, offered next to nothing going forward and barely strung two passes together, they were camped deep with zero outlet ball, fair play, they got to half time but deservedly went one down and then showed a little bit more after that, not sure it was ideal prep going into that game with all the nonsense against Columbia.

Overall, poor performance, technically and tactically. It can only get better and hopefully they can take something from the game, as there was a glimmer of something over the last 20 minutes. Disappointing performance but they still have plenty to play for, it's an old saying, but the only way is up."
Yeah, I'd say the novelty of it being their first ever World Cup game maybe masked the fact that it was fairly poor fayre. The reporter on TalkSport (whose twin sister plays for Ireland BTW) would have had you believe they were the better team.

Also (and I don't mean to sound ratty), but what is the media's obsession with mentioning the attendance of every game at any opportunity?? Its irritating.

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 508 - 20/07/2023 17:37:17    2495868

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You'd have to call it out, if it was the men they'd have been taken apart after that sort of showing.

Very poor first half, offered next to nothing going forward and barely strung two passes together, they were camped deep with zero outlet ball, fair play, they got to half time but deservedly went one down and then showed a little bit more after that, not sure it was ideal prep going into that game with all the nonsense against Columbia.

Overall, poor performance, technically and tactically. It can only get better and hopefully they can take something from the game, as there was a glimmer of something over the last 20 minutes. Disappointing performance but they still have plenty to play for, it's an old saying, but the only way is up."
Well done Jim, you had the stamina to see the game out. I had enough after 15mins.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4045 - 20/07/2023 18:22:36    2495873

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I see one of them was quoted in the last few days comparing this to USA 94 or Italia 90, that was enough for me.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8712 - 20/07/2023 18:40:08    2495875

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I couldn't bring myself to get behind that busted flush of an Ole Ole bandwagon to watch a game comparable to under 12 boys standard. Hats off to those who can and I know it's that time of year, I quiet one on the sporting calendar, but a good series would fill the void a lot better for me personally."
Another heart beat of the nation gone quiet. Typical building up of something in which there is minimal interest.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3427 - 20/07/2023 19:09:07    2495884

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I thought they showed Australia too much respect. Once they started taking the game to them Ireland looked the better side. They were lacking in cutting edge though. Surprised Amber didn't get a run as she is good for a goal."
Ireland unlucky to concede penalty, which the difference in the end. Improved showing in second half, the changes had an effect. You are correct saying Ireland looked much better taking the game to Australia. Need to find a scoring touch for a big game v Canada.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 20/07/2023 19:12:44    2495887

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You'd have to call it out, if it was the men they'd have been taken apart after that sort of showing.

Very poor first half, offered next to nothing going forward and barely strung two passes together, they were camped deep with zero outlet ball, fair play, they got to half time but deservedly went one down and then showed a little bit more after that, not sure it was ideal prep going into that game with all the nonsense against Columbia.

Overall, poor performance, technically and tactically. It can only get better and hopefully they can take something from the game, as there was a glimmer of something over the last 20 minutes. Disappointing performance but they still have plenty to play for, it's an old saying, but the only way is up."
NZ would have went into their game in a very similar position as the underdog but their approach to the game was very different. They took a risk and it paid off. We didn't do anything until we were already behind. The gap between the teams did not justify that caution, we were never going to lose by a landslide.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1935 - 20/07/2023 19:21:53    2495890

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You'd have to call it out, if it was the men they'd have been taken apart after that sort of showing.

Very poor first half, offered next to nothing going forward and barely strung two passes together, they were camped deep with zero outlet ball, fair play, they got to half time but deservedly went one down and then showed a little bit more after that, not sure it was ideal prep going into that game with all the nonsense against Columbia.

Overall, poor performance, technically and tactically. It can only get better and hopefully they can take something from the game, as there was a glimmer of something over the last 20 minutes. Disappointing performance but they still have plenty to play for, it's an old saying, but the only way is up."
You must have had very high expectations.....I think most people who were in any way realistic were expecting Ireland to get beaten by more. Certainly pre-match, a 2 or 3 nil defeat was a more likely outcome than an Ireland draw or win. I know the hype has been crazy but it's their first World Cup so getting one win from the 3 games would actually not be a bad achievement. I disagree too that "the only way is up".....today they played Australia who are ranked 10 in the world --- next game they play Canada who are ranked no. 7 in the world. After that game maybe you could say "the only way is up" !!!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1997 - 20/07/2023 19:31:15    2495892

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I am heavily involved in ladies sport so while I am always trying to promote it as best I can that was very very poor today. McCabe is a super player, that's it. And to have her stuck out almost playing as a left back at times is not great.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8340 - 20/07/2023 19:57:36    2495898

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I couldn't bring myself to get behind that busted flush of an Ole Ole bandwagon to watch a game comparable to under 12 boys standard. Hats off to those who can and I know it's that time of year, I quiet one on the sporting calendar, but a good series would fill the void a lot better for me personally."
Ah stop with the under 12 boys stuff and why be so petty
There an irish team in a world cup if you get get to support her hen that says a lot about you.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3744 - 20/07/2023 21:40:42    2495905

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A bit harsh lads no? It's not being misogynistic to say that the standard of women's football is lower than men's. It just is.
It easy to be guilty of unfairly comparing the two. You also have to factor in that it was their first appearance at a World Cup, and playing in front of 75,000 plus people.

Yes they were lacking in quality in the final third. They definitely need to be better holding possession to relieve pressure and more importantly to offer a threat. But I thought that the endeavour and bravery they showed in taking it to Australia second half was commendable. They had them penned in and were unlucky not to equalise at least twice (the free-kick and McCabe's chance).

We can go all Roy Keane on it and criticise. But the fact is that these young women are going to leave a lasting legacy for our young girls at home to look up to, no matter what they do in their remaining games. That can only be a good thing.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9699 - 21/07/2023 09:34:43    2495924

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