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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Actually no. I am referring to the civil unrest Trump and his buddies are working on all the time. They are actually creating a huge division between Americans. And a huge, huge number of those people are ill informed. We are going down the same road here.


Please point out where I am wrong in relation to the spoil the vote campaign and the language used by their supporters and Declan Ganley. I can't tell you how many times the word rigged was used by him. Straight from the Trump playbook. Can you not see that ?"
It's not fair to say trump has created that. He's certainly made the most of it, but that started once the cold war ended. America and it's citizens can't live without a good enemy.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3992 - 26/10/2025 15:38:06    2641685

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "100% Slayer.

It's a democracy. We can vote for any candidate, vote for some, for all, spoil your vote or choose not to vote. Everyone has differing opinions that should be respected. But, for me, if you don't vote, don't expect to have any credibility when you complain about the candidates in hindsight."
A general election is democracy as anyone can run as a candidate.No democracy in the Presedential election as both FF and FG blocked other candidates from running .Ironic both parties left with mud on their faces.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 369 - 26/10/2025 15:39:56    2641687

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "There is usually no point overanalysing presidential election results in terms of party political/general election politics. Dick Spring had a big 'winner' with Mary Robinson in the presidential race, but it didn't translate to Labour success in subsequent general elections. Quite the contrary. The best advice 'the left' can take from this election is not to count any chickens off the back of it, and to go fight future elections strictly on their own merits at the time."
Error.... Labour had a massive (for them) haul of seats in 1992.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 183 - 26/10/2025 15:56:03    2641688

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "That 10 billion figure is very misleading and inaccurate as a huge proportion of it is calculated as the norths element in British military defence, that will not be applicable in the case of a reunified Ireland. The north is actually having a mini economic boom but is curtailed being in the UK. If it was within the jurisdiction of the Irish state its GDP would be doubling. The reason they are crossing the border is because we have a chronic shortage of construction workers and are willing to offer crazy money. We've been fed a diet of scaremongering partionist propaganda for far too long in this country."
I certainly am not against a border poll. All I said in my post is that it will be a while before there will be one for various reasons. Answering my post by saying " scaremongering partionist propaganda" is way over the top.
You are fairly new to the Hogan Stand but seem to have an opinion on everything. Maybe you should study people's posts before replying or better still, take a break for while.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 811 - 26/10/2025 16:16:58    2641692

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Replying To brayballer:  "A general election is democracy as anyone can run as a candidate.No democracy in the Presedential election as both FF and FG blocked other candidates from running .Ironic both parties left with mud on their faces."
Bunreacht na hÉireann limits nominating Presidential candidates to elected representatives.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 183 - 26/10/2025 16:19:12    2641694

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I'm not sure that the unemployment rates in the two parts of the island are directly comparable. Apparently different metrics are used in compiling the statistics in both jurisdictions. If you try to compare them, first thing that comes up is that they are not comparable. "Socially inactive" sector plays a part in the British method. It would take a better brain than mine to come up with a true comparison."
2 outcomes, you are either working or you're not.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2447 - 26/10/2025 16:52:19    2641707

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Error.... Labour had a massive (for them) haul of seats in 1992."
True, but 1992 was just a freakish blip. Labour got no sustained traction in terms of Dáil seats, off the back of the Robinson win, and why would they? 'Red tide' in '92, went out in '97, and has rarely been seen since. The presidential election is more about personality/fit for purpose issues, as opposed to party politics,

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4449 - 26/10/2025 16:54:24    2641708

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Bunreacht na hÉireann limits nominating Presidential candidates to elected representatives."
And clearly a constitutional referendum is needed to widen the scope for nominating candidates. Perhaps something along the lines of what has been suggested....say 30 individual councillors across all the county councils..

It would be a good referendum for the government to hold as it would be popular and be certain to pass. And as well as that , they could hold the referendum on patents at the same time as well. They postponed that referendum after the last two were defeated out of fear that an angry electorate might reject it.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2088 - 26/10/2025 17:24:26    2641712

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Error.... Labour had a massive (for them) haul of seats in 1992."
Oh yes the 'Spring tide' saw them gain 18 seats up to 33 .. Labour's next high was the 'Gilmore gale' with a gain of 17 up to a total of 37 seats.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 639 - 26/10/2025 17:25:35    2641713

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Replying To brayballer:  "A general election is democracy as anyone can run as a candidate.No democracy in the Presedential election as both FF and FG blocked other candidates from running .Ironic both parties left with mud on their faces."
Fair point indeed.. I was talking more about voters democratic rights. There have been more candidates in previous Presidential elections. The cosy coalition blocked other prospective candidates thinking it would help either of them get a candidate to the Áras. Might have been a good move if they weren't so inept at choosing their candidate. You could call it arrogance even.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8311 - 26/10/2025 17:52:27    2641717

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