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It might seem a small thing but language like "you lot" "us lot" and "up there" does my head in. Intentional or not it feeds into partionist propaganda and people should really know better Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12286 - 17/04/2025 17:09:22 2602467 Link 3 |
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You seem to forget that as recently as 2009-- 12 we were "relying on the kindness of strangers" as one pundit memorably put it at the time. Our current prosperity (or stack of cards) is mainly built on the large multinational corporate sector. If that goes west in the coming years we'll be back to the days of being glad to have a trouser to wear. In any event, as things stand, the North have unrestricted access to both the UK and EU markets so they are in a prime position to benefit even more from free trade than we have, should things go back to the way they were pre-Trump --- and if the unionists can become enlightened enough to put economics above silly principle and realise that a prosperous Northern Ireland helps their cause and will make it harder to persuade the moderates among them about the merits of a united Ireland. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2004 - 17/04/2025 18:21:36 2602477 Link 0 |
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Yes the Irish Government rarely seeks to the advance the cause of Irish Unity. There has probably been a lack of investment in the North West (Derry/ Donegal) in general since partition?? I have often heard Donegal described as " the forgotten county" . Is this still the case or would you say things have now improved??"]The general feeling I think here would be that Donegal is last on the list for anything, being so far from Dublin and only having a 6 mile border with the rest of the free state when you look at like that. Have a look at the motorway network in the the six counties such as it is and then look at the motorway/rail network here, it's clear that the northwest is not getting it's fair share of investment, we have been waiting for a by pass of Ballybofey/Stranorlar for God knows how many years, the place is a complete bottleneck but there is no sign of it being done anytime soon. The gov have no bother sending us plenty asylum seekers to Donegal though, near impossible to get a doctors appointment etc the place is so jammed with the poor Ukrainians fleeing war not to mind all the other economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. Great wee county altogether and getting worse by the day. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3165 - 17/04/2025 19:04:54 2602481 Link 2 |
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You seem to forget that as recently as 2009-- 12 we were "relying on the kindness of strangers" as one pundit memorably put it at the time. Our current prosperity (or stack of cards) is mainly built on the large multinational corporate sector. If that goes west in the coming years we'll be back to the days of being glad to have a trouser to wear. In any event, as things stand, the North have unrestricted access to both the UK and EU markets so they are in a prime position to benefit even more from free trade than we have, should things go back to the way they were pre-Trump --- and if the unionists can become enlightened enough to put economics above silly principle and realise that a prosperous Northern Ireland helps their cause and will make it harder to persuade the moderates among them about the merits of a united Ireland."]That "kindness of strangers" was loans which had to be paid back with interest. They weren't handouts. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2232 - 17/04/2025 21:04:09 2602494 Link 0 |
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The problem with Fianna Fáil/ Fine Gael is that money has made them morally bankrupt. They are cold hearted. They have failed to hold Israel and the United States responsible for the outrages in Gaza despite their genocidal behaviour and language. It is clear that the plan of Israel/ United States is to depopulate Gaza yet no action is taken against these two countries who are led by absolute lunatics in Netanyahu and Trump. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1700 - 18/04/2025 11:29:59 2602558 Link 1 |
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Yes the Irish Government rarely seeks to the advance the cause of Irish Unity. There has probably been a lack of investment in the North West (Derry/ Donegal) in general since partition?? I have often heard Donegal described as " the forgotten county" . Is this still the case or would you say things have now improved??"]The general feeling I think here would be that Donegal is last on the list for anything, being so far from Dublin and only having a 6 mile border with the rest of the free state when you look at like that. Have a look at the motorway network in the the six counties such as it is and then look at the motorway/rail network here, it's clear that the northwest is not getting it's fair share of investment, we have been waiting for a by pass of Ballybofey/Stranorlar for God knows how many years, the place is a complete bottleneck but there is no sign of it being done anytime soon. The gov have no bother sending us plenty asylum seekers to Donegal though, near impossible to get a doctors appointment etc the place is so jammed with the poor Ukrainians fleeing war not to mind all the other economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. Great wee county altogether and getting worse by the day."]All true. Donegal are furthest from Dublin and furthest in Ulster from Belfast, so we have become the lowest priority in both jurisictions and the ruling class. We remain totally forgotten about. Which is why it amazes me why folk in Donegal would ever vote for FF/FG who simply push a status quo position all over the island. No change, just look after ourselves, kick the can down the road on difficult decisions and only ever focus on remaining in power!! To me a united Ireland could serve us all so much better than a man made border splitting a small island, which only ever delivers division and constant inefficiency with 2 systems for everything. FF/FG again pay lip service but do absolutely nothing to advance a divided island. PeterQ92 (Donegal) - Posts: 151 - 18/04/2025 11:43:40 2602562 Link 3 |
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Yes the Irish Government rarely seeks to the advance the cause of Irish Unity. There has probably been a lack of investment in the North West (Derry/ Donegal) in general since partition?? I have often heard Donegal described as " the forgotten county" . Is this still the case or would you say things have now improved??"]The general feeling I think here would be that Donegal is last on the list for anything, being so far from Dublin and only having a 6 mile border with the rest of the free state when you look at like that. Have a look at the motorway network in the the six counties such as it is and then look at the motorway/rail network here, it's clear that the northwest is not getting it's fair share of investment, we have been waiting for a by pass of Ballybofey/Stranorlar for God knows how many years, the place is a complete bottleneck but there is no sign of it being done anytime soon. The gov have no bother sending us plenty asylum seekers to Donegal though, near impossible to get a doctors appointment etc the place is so jammed with the poor Ukrainians fleeing war not to mind all the other economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. Great wee county altogether and getting worse by the day."]All true. Donegal are furthest from Dublin and furthest in Ulster from Belfast, so we have become the lowest priority in both jurisictions and the ruling class. We remain totally forgotten about. Which is why it amazes me why folk in Donegal would ever vote for FF/FG who simply push a status quo position all over the island. No change, just look after ourselves, kick the can down the road on difficult decisions and only ever focus on remaining in power!! To me a united Ireland could serve us all so much better than a man made border splitting a small island, which only ever delivers division and constant inefficiency with 2 systems for everything. FF/FG again pay lip service but do absolutely nothing to advance a divided island."]I think that Fianna Fáil/ Fine Gael have strategised that Sinn Fein has a much greater chance of forming a government in a United Ireland and they could find themselves locked out of power for long periods. Again another example of these parties working solely for their own interests instead of the greater good. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1700 - 18/04/2025 12:14:05 2602571 Link 0 |
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The crazy situation in the UK has knock on effects for the North. Left wing voters in the UK rejoiced when they finally got rid of the Tories and their 14 years of austerity only to find they elected super Tories in the form of the Labour Party who have attacked pensions and the benefits of the disabled and vulnerable and plunged millions of people into poverty. Sinn Fein and the DUP have said they don't have the money to mitigate against these cuts so thousands in the North will fall further in poverty. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1700 - 18/04/2025 12:31:43 2602576 Link 1 |
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But it is "up there" , that's just a geographical fact.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2244 - 18/04/2025 14:56:57 2602607 Link 0 |
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This is the most niave post I have ever seen posted on HS or any other forum. It has the hallmarks of been written by a misty-eyed idealistic dreamer in his early teens but since it's here on HS, I presume you are actually an adult, as incredible as that may seem. The content is a full 180 degrees opposite the Trumpian world view but is just as equally simplistic and as much a fantasy as anything the Donald might utter. First let it be said, you are 100% correct on one major point --- what is happening in Gaza truly is genocide and ethnic cleansing and the US and Israel are culpable of it. Only people who are of a hard/far right mentality could be blind to this. ( How ironic by the way, that the biggest supporters of Israel are Zionists who are on the hard/far right who are infused with Islamophobia and will brook no criticism of Israel ,considering the Nazi's were the ones who tried to exterminate the Jews!) All true, but then you go on to to bemoan that "no action is taken against these countries" and say "it is very clear that Israel and the US should be sanctioned for these outrages" and castigate FF/FG for not doing so. Again, in a perfect and ideal world, you would be correct regarding the morality of sanctions but it beggars belief that you think Ireland under FF/FG or indeed any alternative government could take on the world's biggest superpower and it's number 1 ally and not suffer the severest economic retaliatory sanctions that would drive us back to the Stone Age. Remember in the US currently they are deporting pro-Palestinian protestors and defunding universities where strong pro-Palestian protests took place. So you would like us to do it in concert with the rest of the EU , is that it? That will take us far --- I presume you've heard the news about the Irish citizen pro-Palestinian protestors that Germany wants to deport because of their refusal to speak either German or English while conducting their peaceful protest? The reality is that the Israeli lobby dictates US foreign policy. They did so under Biden and the Democrats and they are doing so in an even more overt way now under Trump. The only difference between Biden and Trump on this issue is that Biden engaged in the "strongly-worded letter" diplomacy of saying to Israel " ah lads, ye shouldnt be doing that -- but here's another 64 billion dollars worth of bombs and military equipment to do whatever ye want with it" whereas Trump is not even bothering with the "strongly worded letter" and is fully gung-ho with whatever Netanahu decides. The EU is on the same path and is hugely influenced by the Israeli lobby. The fact is that Ireland is an outlier within the EU (Spain excepted) in terms of it's implacable opposition to Israel's genocidal actions. Ireland under FF/FG has recognised the state of Palestine for all the good it will do for the the people of Palestine or for Ireland. It may help us to feel good about ourselves but it is the ultimate in virtue-signalling because the idea of a 2-State solution is as dead as a dodo. Same goes for passing the Occupied Territories Bill - it would achieve absolutely nothing in real terms except give a nice warm feeling to people like yourself. Netynahu has the perfect man in charge in the US now from his pov -- the Palestinians who survive and are docile will be tolerated and confined to reservations ,the same as the Native Americans were when they were ethnically cleansed, and the ones who rebel will either be murdered or dispersed to the EU as refugees. It was going to happen under the Democrats anyway , it's just that the process has been speeded up under the current administration. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2004 - 18/04/2025 17:33:51 2602629 Link 4 |