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Sweeney today in Independent describes the series win as Ireland's greatest sporting moment.
A great achievement yes, but surely not the greatest moment in our sporting history....
I'm not sure its in my top ten.

conordee (Galway) - Posts: 420 - 17/07/2022 19:39:00    2432552

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Replying To conordee:  "Sweeney today in Independent describes the series win as Ireland's greatest sporting moment.
A great achievement yes, but surely not the greatest moment in our sporting history....
I'm not sure its in my top ten."
Back in the real world the sporting public would also disagree with it being our greatest sporting moment. It is a great achievement and within rugby circles they might see as their sports biggest achievement but it isn't Ireland's greatest sporting moment overall. The Independent is a rugby paper in my opinion so I can understand why they'll market this success as much as possible.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 943 - 17/07/2022 20:31:05    2432571

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Replying To sam1884:  "Back in the real world the sporting public would also disagree with it being our greatest sporting moment. It is a great achievement and within rugby circles they might see as their sports biggest achievement but it isn't Ireland's greatest sporting moment overall. The Independent is a rugby paper in my opinion so I can understand why they'll market this success as much as possible."
Irish media love Rugby so they'll be slobbering over any old tournament win.
But they've outdone themselves in biased stupidity on this one.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 17/07/2022 21:08:12    2432581

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Back in the real world the sporting public would also disagree with it being our greatest sporting moment. It is a great achievement and within rugby circles they might see as their sports biggest achievement but it isn't Ireland's greatest sporting moment overall. The Independent is a rugby paper in my opinion so I can understand why they'll market this success as much as possible.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 930 - 17/07/2022 20:31:05

Jesus the use of a phrase by a few people has triggered some response and people wonder why rugby gets so much media attention....

well when small tiny inconsequential things like this blow up like this then .....

It is a great achievement. its one of irelands great sporting moments but saying the greatest ever is a bit much despite how tough a challenge it is to complete.
the independent isnt a rugby paper at all. far from it. covers GAA. soccer as much if not more.

The ultimate top level of the sport.

Where should the 6 Nations and World Cup be ranked then?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3664 - 17/07/2022 11:50:47
these are test matches. the world cup is only 35 years old. the only times we used to play New Zealand, South Africa etc before 1987 was in test matches so yes this level is the ultimate level of the game. these tests against the very best are up there on a par/close to the 6nations/world cup. they are test matches just like 6 nations and world cup matches are test matches

Sweeney today in Independent describes the series win as Ireland's greatest sporting moment.
A great achievement yes, but surely not the greatest moment in our sporting history....
I'm not sure its in my top ten.
conordee (Galway) - Posts: 419 - 17/07/2022 19:39:00
what is your top 10?
it isnt irelands greatest sporting moment but is one of the greatest

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 17/07/2022 21:10:51    2432585

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Replying To conordee:  "Sweeney today in Independent describes the series win as Ireland's greatest sporting moment.
A great achievement yes, but surely not the greatest moment in our sporting history....
I'm not sure its in my top ten."
Are these series not just glorified challenge games? Surely 6 nations championships and world cup performances are the measuring stick of success?
Would we beat the All Blacks in a world cup when it really matters?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1688 - 17/07/2022 21:22:27    2432592

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Replying To conordee:  "Sweeney today in Independent describes the series win as Ireland's greatest sporting moment.
A great achievement yes, but surely not the greatest moment in our sporting history....
I'm not sure its in my top ten."
To be one of Ireland's great sporting moments it should have a team of Irish players. Not that long ago Ireland wouldn't pick Irish players playing outside of Ireland. It was a mighty win no doubt. But how will Irish rugby improve if they bring in imports and put them into the team after a few years while Irish players come through academies and see potential places go to imports. They were great wins and they played mighty rugby, a great watch. But just because 'they're all doing it' is no reason to keep at it. It'll improve the standard for nationaI short term but I don't think that a small country like Ireland should persist with it long term. Need to continuously improve the squad until and including the World Cup with decent backup in every position.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6764 - 18/07/2022 07:22:20    2432606

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Replying To Bon:  "Are these series not just glorified challenge games? Surely 6 nations championships and world cup performances are the measuring stick of success?
Would we beat the All Blacks in a world cup when it really matters?"
People who either dont follow or enjoy rugby dismiss these games as "glorified challenge games". why? and what does that even mean.

up until 1987 these were the only chances Ireland had of playing New Zealand. new zealand are regarded as worlds best. and as so few countries have ever won test series in new zealand then this is a huge achievement and very high on measuring stick of success.
we possibly will have to beat new zealand in a world cup in just over a years time. either them or france to qualify for semi finals and hopefully we will do that

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 18/07/2022 09:34:53    2432627

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "To be one of Ireland's great sporting moments it should have a team of Irish players. Not that long ago Ireland wouldn't pick Irish players playing outside of Ireland. It was a mighty win no doubt. But how will Irish rugby improve if they bring in imports and put them into the team after a few years while Irish players come through academies and see potential places go to imports. They were great wins and they played mighty rugby, a great watch. But just because 'they're all doing it' is no reason to keep at it. It'll improve the standard for nationaI short term but I don't think that a small country like Ireland should persist with it long term. Need to continuously improve the squad until and including the World Cup with decent backup in every position."
Thats the way all international sport works. people who grew up elsewhere move to a country to play and then qualify on residency grounds and play for their adopted countries.
It hasnt exactly stopped many people from playing the sport or playing internationally.
And Ireland have been continuously improving the squad and trying to widen the playing base for the international team and the 2 maori games were part of that.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 18/07/2022 10:39:48    2432644

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "To be one of Ireland's great sporting moments it should have a team of Irish players. Not that long ago Ireland wouldn't pick Irish players playing outside of Ireland. It was a mighty win no doubt. But how will Irish rugby improve if they bring in imports and put them into the team after a few years while Irish players come through academies and see potential places go to imports. They were great wins and they played mighty rugby, a great watch. But just because 'they're all doing it' is no reason to keep at it. It'll improve the standard for nationaI short term but I don't think that a small country like Ireland should persist with it long term. Need to continuously improve the squad until and including the World Cup with decent backup in every position."
How wasnt it a team of irish players?
We dont pick players playing outside of Ireland bar exceptional cases to help keep our provinces strong. same as new zealand dont pick players who play outside of new zealand
we will keep on improving if our standards are maintained in clubs and schools in producing top quality players. there isnt really many "imports" whove come through and played for ireland.
we have continuously being improving our squad. this tour with the 2 maori games was about improving the squad depth ahead of the world cup...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 18/07/2022 11:18:20    2432664

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Just interested to hear what people's opinions would be on Ireland's greatest sporting achievements?

Everyone will have their own biased opinions based on what their preferred sport is.

I think getting to the quarter finals of the World Cup in our first appearance at a World Cup was massive. In those days international football was the top standard. We emerged from a group containing the reigning European Champions and old enemy England (even though it was a 24 team WC and 3 teams could qualify from group)

Then we beat a really talented Romania team. I think people sometimes underestimate what a good result that was, even if it took penalties. Romania would go to further illustrate their absolute quality in 94.

In the quarter final we gave Italy their fill of it.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7969 - 18/07/2022 11:43:53    2432675

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Just interested to hear what people's opinions would be on Ireland's greatest sporting achievements?

Everyone will have their own biased opinions based on what their preferred sport is.

I think getting to the quarter finals of the World Cup in our first appearance at a World Cup was massive. In those days international football was the top standard. We emerged from a group containing the reigning European Champions and old enemy England (even though it was a 24 team WC and 3 teams could qualify from group)

Then we beat a really talented Romania team. I think people sometimes underestimate what a good result that was, even if it took penalties. Romania would go to further illustrate their absolute quality in 94.

In the quarter final we gave Italy their fill of it."
I think winning the grand slam a few years ago with playing England and France away

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 189 - 18/07/2022 14:35:44    2432734

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I think winning the grand slam a few years ago with playing England and France away"
I think Ireland beating England in the cricket World Cup surely needs to be up there too

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 189 - 18/07/2022 15:16:28    2432749

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Golf seems to be a very fractured sport currently with the LIV tour and the Open at Saint Andrews seemed very biased in favour of Mcilroy with the Sky Sports coverage and one of the most partisan galleries I have ever seen outside of Ryder and Presidents cups. Not a good time for the sport.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1546 - 18/07/2022 15:57:04    2432765

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Great win for Ireland. Very few teams have won a test series in New Zealand. Was a great achievement, don't think it should be downplayed. Won't have much bearing on the World Cup next year but a great boost for the team. 5 wins out of the last 8 matches against New Zealand, any country would be delighted with that record.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1546 - 18/07/2022 16:07:19    2432767

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Replying To KillingFields:  "How wasnt it a team of irish players?
We dont pick players playing outside of Ireland bar exceptional cases to help keep our provinces strong. same as new zealand dont pick players who play outside of new zealand
we will keep on improving if our standards are maintained in clubs and schools in producing top quality players. there isnt really many "imports" whove come through and played for ireland.
we have continuously being improving our squad. this tour with the 2 maori games was about improving the squad depth ahead of the world cup..."
Not taking away from what I think is an incredible achievement but 4 of the starters were "imports" and another couple off the bench also were. The difference for me really showed in the interviews afterwards where O'Mahony and Sexton saying how it was something they would have dreamed of as a kid whereas James Lowe whilst obviously delighted would have had childhood dreams of being on the All Black side .

catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 135 - 18/07/2022 16:27:57    2432776

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Replying To KillingFields:  "People who either dont follow or enjoy rugby dismiss these games as "glorified challenge games". why? and what does that even mean.

up until 1987 these were the only chances Ireland had of playing New Zealand. new zealand are regarded as worlds best. and as so few countries have ever won test series in new zealand then this is a huge achievement and very high on measuring stick of success.
we possibly will have to beat new zealand in a world cup in just over a years time. either them or france to qualify for semi finals and hopefully we will do that"
I think rugby is a great sport and enjoy watching it, all im saying is how much can you read into games that are pretty much friendlies? There's no championship or tournament progression at stake? Granted very few teams have managed to do it and that can't be taken away from everybody involved but it do you not think it could be ultimately irrelevant if we have another poor under achieving world cup or do poorly in the 6 nations?
Its nice to win these games but you need to drive on.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1688 - 18/07/2022 17:45:06    2432799

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Replying To catchturnscore:  "Not taking away from what I think is an incredible achievement but 4 of the starters were "imports" and another couple off the bench also were. The difference for me really showed in the interviews afterwards where O'Mahony and Sexton saying how it was something they would have dreamed of as a kid whereas James Lowe whilst obviously delighted would have had childhood dreams of being on the All Black side ."
Thats international sport these days. few teams dont have players who qualify on residency grounds. rules now state it has to be 5 years not 3 years residency so we will see less of them anyways
And there were no imports on the bench. all of the bench were born in ireland or if born abroad have irish parents or grandparents. none really are imports in those cases.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 19/07/2022 09:16:04    2432840

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Just interested to hear what people's opinions would be on Ireland's greatest sporting achievements?

Everyone will have their own biased opinions based on what their preferred sport is.

I think getting to the quarter finals of the World Cup in our first appearance at a World Cup was massive. In those days international football was the top standard. We emerged from a group containing the reigning European Champions and old enemy England (even though it was a 24 team WC and 3 teams could qualify from group)

Then we beat a really talented Romania team. I think people sometimes underestimate what a good result that was, even if it took penalties. Romania would go to further illustrate their absolute quality in 94.

In the quarter final we gave Italy their fill of it."
Just a one off game but beating Italy in 1994 was unreal. Paul McGrath was majestic.

I suppose many of the great Irish sporting achievements are from individual competitors. But one of, if not the greatest, days of Irish sport was March 21st 2009. Ireland won the Gran Slam and Bernard Dunne won a world title. He's in the Galway backroom team now too.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6764 - 19/07/2022 10:04:59    2432853

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I think winning the grand slam a few years ago with playing England and France away"
I think the footballers performance in 1990 trumps that. In football you have about 8 teams capable of winning a World Cup - Germany, Italy, France, England, Spain, Brazil, Argentina and Holland. But there will also be another group of dark horse teams at every World Cup who might not necessarily go all the way, but do have the capability to beat an aforementioned favourite e.g. Croatia, Belgium, Uruguay, Denmark, Colombia, Switzerland, Nigeria etc. I think after that Ireland were ranked 7th in the world after that World Cup - a remarkable achievement.

In rugby, there have been some fantastic Irish performances over the years without doubt, but it is within a limited field of teams.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7969 - 19/07/2022 10:28:09    2432861

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Just a one off game but beating Italy in 1994 was unreal. Paul McGrath was majestic.

I suppose many of the great Irish sporting achievements are from individual competitors. But one of, if not the greatest, days of Irish sport was March 21st 2009. Ireland won the Gran Slam and Bernard Dunne won a world title. He's in the Galway backroom team now too."
Yeah McGrath was imperious in that game. I watched the whole lot of it back during the lockdown. If anything we should have won more comfortably. John Sheridan should have doubled our lead late in the secomd half after a rampaging run by Roy Keane put the chance on a plate for him.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7969 - 19/07/2022 10:46:08    2432867

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