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Replying To Doylerwex:  "This is all very subjective and purely based on personal opinion.

For me, that united team as a moment in time was just far more impactful, and therefore significant than the current city team.

It doesn't help that they have no fans.

Agree to disagree I suppose."
All you can do with these discussions is agree to disagree. All they have is subjective stuff about luck and opposition and whatnot, stuff that of course they would never apply to any other team. I mean Galway9801 said, presumably with a straight face, that Ferguson's career achievements were the same as what Benitez nearly achieved in 3 years. There's no middle ground to be achieved in this context.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12239 - 07/05/2024 11:11:12    2543464

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Very Happy with Galway United so far now that they are playing with the big boys.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2295 - 07/05/2024 11:32:35    2543474

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Replying To bruffgael:  "You hit the nail on the head there about Liverpool"
Yep. Why any Irish person supports Liverpool I'll never understand.

But then, I suppose there are plenty of kids supporting Chelsea these days.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5229 - 07/05/2024 16:51:43    2543530

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Replying To Breffni40:  "All you can do with these discussions is agree to disagree. All they have is subjective stuff about luck and opposition and whatnot, stuff that of course they would never apply to any other team. I mean Galway9801 said, presumably with a straight face, that Ferguson's career achievements were the same as what Benitez nearly achieved in 3 years. There's no middle ground to be achieved in this context."
I didn't say that Breff. I said benitez, in 3 seasons, almost equalled Fergies champions league tally over 20 years, and seeing as how that's a fact, yes, I said it with a straight face.
I'll add this to the list of instances you put words in my mouth.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 07/05/2024 19:42:47    2543562

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Yep. Why any Irish person supports Liverpool I'll never understand.

But then, I suppose there are plenty of kids supporting Chelsea these days."
I don't understand people here supporting any English teams but what's wrong with Liverpool over any of the others?
I would think there's a big Irish connection to Liverpool.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3071 - 07/05/2024 20:46:44    2543566

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't understand people here supporting any English teams but what's wrong with Liverpool over any of the others?
I would think there's a big Irish connection to Liverpool."
There's a big Irish connection to Manchester and London and several other English cities as well.

I dislike Liverpool (arrogant, self righteous club and fanbase with huge self regard).

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 209 - 07/05/2024 21:47:14    2543571

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Yep. Why any Irish person supports Liverpool I'll never understand.

But then, I suppose there are plenty of kids supporting Chelsea these days."
Liverpool would have a huge Irish support and always have…. You even have some Manchester Utd supporters but that particular club has turned into a laughing stock….!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3315 - 07/05/2024 22:05:28    2543575

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't understand people here supporting any English teams but what's wrong with Liverpool over any of the others?
I would think there's a big Irish connection to Liverpool."
There's a big Irish connection to Glasgow. But the majority here don't support Rangers.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5229 - 07/05/2024 22:33:16    2543578

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't understand people here supporting any English teams but what's wrong with Liverpool over any of the others?
I would think there's a big Irish connection to Liverpool."
Irish people supporting English soccer teams is just sad.

No one in Liverpool considers Bohemians or Dundalk or Cork City to be "us" or "youse."


It truly is pathetic colonial psychosis.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3308 - 07/05/2024 23:14:58    2543582

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't understand people here supporting any English teams but what's wrong with Liverpool over any of the others?
I would think there's a big Irish connection to Liverpool."
Are you us or youse,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3308 - 08/05/2024 00:12:27    2543586

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Liverpool would have a huge Irish support and always have…. You even have some Manchester Utd supporters but that particular club has turned into a laughing stock….!!!"
The biggest laughing stock of this season was Liverpool fans talking of the quadruple!!!

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 209 - 08/05/2024 07:58:51    2543599

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Liverpool would have a huge Irish support and always have…. You even have some Manchester Utd supporters but that particular club has turned into a laughing stock….!!!"
United would have an enormous Irish connection historically.

I'm not that into soccer, but I followed United because my dad did. He grew up watching a squad that was probably 50% Irish.

My childhood would have been Keane and Irwin.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3290 - 08/05/2024 09:14:50    2543609

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't understand people here supporting any English teams but what's wrong with Liverpool over any of the others?
I would think there's a big Irish connection to Liverpool."
You don't understand why a global sport has reached the shores of Ireland? Should we as sports fans all just hibernate when the All Ireland finals end every year because we should be forever hateful towards England and English people? Honestly, the narrow mindedness of some GAA folk still to this day is embarrassing. If you don't like the sport then fair enough but give it a rest with the plastic patriotism.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2513 - 08/05/2024 09:36:38    2543614

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "United would have an enormous Irish connection historically.

I'm not that into soccer, but I followed United because my dad did. He grew up watching a squad that was probably 50% Irish.

My childhood would have been Keane and Irwin."
Sky Sports and other tv outfits severely damaged the aspirations of young Irish lads playing or learning their trade with the top tier English clubs. How many English players appear on any top team sheet any Saturday now, never mind any from Ire, NI, Wakes or Scotland ? In the Charlton eta, I think the nulk of the Irish team came from UTd, Liverpool or Arsenal. I think only Kelleher is the only one now and he is unlikely to hold onto the Irish spot if he remains a number 2. I suppose money talks. This doesn't seem to be the case with women's soccer. There is a fair sprinkling of Irish girls competing with the top women's teams but, as the game gets more popular the tv giants will move in with big money which will mean these clubs can afford more international players.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1344 - 08/05/2024 09:39:08    2543615

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Irish people supporting English soccer teams is just sad.

No one in Liverpool considers Bohemians or Dundalk or Cork City to be "us" or "youse."


It truly is pathetic colonial psychosis."
That's a pretty pathetic comparison Barney. But it does give you a reason as to why people from Ireland might support a team full of world class talent over a Sunday league set up like Dundalk. I suppose the millions of fans in China and the middle east etc are all under a colonial vice grip too then?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2513 - 08/05/2024 09:48:29    2543620

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Sky Sports and other tv outfits severely damaged the aspirations of young Irish lads playing or learning their trade with the top tier English clubs. How many English players appear on any top team sheet any Saturday now, never mind any from Ire, NI, Wakes or Scotland ? In the Charlton eta, I think the nulk of the Irish team came from UTd, Liverpool or Arsenal. I think only Kelleher is the only one now and he is unlikely to hold onto the Irish spot if he remains a number 2. I suppose money talks. This doesn't seem to be the case with women's soccer. There is a fair sprinkling of Irish girls competing with the top women's teams but, as the game gets more popular the tv giants will move in with big money which will mean these clubs can afford more international players."
100% agree.

It has had a major impact on the Irish national team.

League of Ireland are greedy enough when it comes to pricing their young lads too though.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3290 - 08/05/2024 10:02:36    2543623

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Replying To bruffgael:  "The biggest laughing stock of this season was Liverpool fans talking of the quadruple!!!"
One trophy and Champions league qualification is a whole lot better than nothing and a mid table finish… Utd are a complete comedy club….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3315 - 08/05/2024 10:13:35    2543626

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To Breffni40:  "All you can do with these discussions is agree to disagree. All they have is subjective stuff about luck and opposition and whatnot, stuff that of course they would never apply to any other team. I mean Galway9801 said, presumably with a straight face, that Ferguson's career achievements were the same as what Benitez nearly achieved in 3 years. There's no middle ground to be achieved in this context."
I didn't say that Breff. I said benitez, in 3 seasons, almost equalled Fergies champions league tally over 20 years, and seeing as how that's a fact, yes, I said it with a straight face.
I'll add this to the list of instances you put words in my mouth."
He didn't equal it though, so how do you twist that to be relevant or factual?

Do you think Benitez had any good fortune in that time? What was the subjective standard of opposition in hindsight? Or is that kinda stuff exclusive to your analysis of United and Ferguson?

Ferguson almost won other Champions Leagues but nobody crows about that to undermine other managers and teams

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12239 - 08/05/2024 10:24:23    2543630

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "United would have an enormous Irish connection historically.

I'm not that into soccer, but I followed United because my dad did. He grew up watching a squad that was probably 50% Irish.

My childhood would have been Keane and Irwin."
Very big. Huge Irish emigration to Manchester and especially Salford where United were seen as the Catholic club. Busby had a very strong Irish scouting network with the emigrant and those left back home gravitating towards United with the likes of Liam Whelan, Tony Dunne, Harry Gregg, Brennan and Best.

Sure the whole historic link to British soccer is tied with emigration, Hibs, Celtic, United, Everton, Liverpool. Places with massive Irish populations but also the tradition of big numbers of Irish soccer players plying their trade in England and Scotland. It's only in the past 20 or 30 years that the percentage of Irish making up the teams has fallen.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 08/05/2024 11:04:56    2543639

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Replying To Breffni40:  "The amount of childhoods Alex Ferguson's United teams ruined is beautiful to see. Decades later people are still trying to undermine their achievements and players' ability. The absolute best part is seeing them fool themselves into thinking they're giving a balanced, rational viewpoint. Delicious generational trauma :)

Never stop telling united fans Ferguson was overrated or all their players were individually overrated please or whatever it is you've told yourself to reach those conclusions and dismiss reality"
This probably the funniest thing I've ever read on here.

dolfos (Longford) - Posts: 126 - 08/05/2024 11:16:33    2543645

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