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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I agree with you that things could be a lot worse in this country. But that doesn't mean we should just sit back and let things slide either. Look at the MICA crisis in our own county. What a complete shit-show. Families driven to the brink and having to scrap for everything when they should be fully redressed without question."
That is just general incompetance and would require people voting for better politicians. Or they should get out of the way and let the civil servants run the country.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 15/02/2024 18:37:04    2526252

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Our flag already represents them.

The one they adore does not"
It doesnt tbh with how its been taken and used by some of the republicans at certain times

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3699 - 15/02/2024 18:42:29    2526253

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Our flag already represents them.

The one they adore does not"
It doesnt represent them because of its use by some.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3699 - 15/02/2024 19:20:31    2526263

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It doesnt represent them because of its use by some."
We can all read, no need to post your reply three times.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 351 - 15/02/2024 20:05:30    2526268

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It doesnt represent them because of its use by some."
There have been plenty of Protestant Republicans, now and all through history.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14254 - 15/02/2024 21:03:45    2526276

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Our flag already represents them.

The one they adore does not"
Won't happen mate. You're very naive if you don't think there will be some give and take.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11429 - 15/02/2024 21:15:38    2526279

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Most of Europe are socialist countries including us......"
True, except the socialism word spooks the Americans, as they confuse it with communism

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 284 - 15/02/2024 21:51:37    2526284

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "True, except the socialism word spooks the Americans, as they confuse it with communism"
Not true. Most countries in Europe are capitalist. Ireland is a part of the largest free trade zone in the world and much of economic activity is linked to private companies.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 15/02/2024 23:47:52    2526289

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Not true. Most countries in Europe are capitalist. Ireland is a part of the largest free trade zone in the world and much of economic activity is linked to private companies."
We all have welfare states though.

Even American survey data suggests their population are in favour of more socialist policies when that word is removed from the language.

FDRs new deal was a socialist policy.

The time that's referenced as America's golden age is when government policy was furthest left.

Taxation and distribution is just as important as the ownership of the means of production.

You should see some of the graphs detailing decreases in taxation and regulations, CEO pay and poverty from to 50s through Reaganomics era to present.

France, Belgium, UK were all the same in the post war era

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3271 - 16/02/2024 08:57:29    2526306

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Talking about a united Ireland and democracy, someone said there's around 7.5million people living on the island of Ireland now, what right do approx 1million of those 7.5 million have to hold the other 6.5 million people back?
A united Ireland would be a roaring economic success in my opinion once it was bedded in.
It would also free the British up to have as hard a Brexit as they like cause they would be rid of the problem of an EU land border where thee can't be a border.
I'd keep the flag, it represents the whole population of the island.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3069 - 16/02/2024 11:06:56    2526324

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Talking about a united Ireland and democracy, someone said there's around 7.5million people living on the island of Ireland now, what right do approx 1million of those 7.5 million have to hold the other 6.5 million people back?
A united Ireland would be a roaring economic success in my opinion once it was bedded in.
It would also free the British up to have as hard a Brexit as they like cause they would be rid of the problem of an EU land border where thee can't be a border.
I'd keep the flag, it represents the whole population of the island."
What are you basing a united ireland being a "roaring economic success" on? Any data?

Because rightfully or wrongfully that 1 million are citizens of a close neighbour and dont see themselves as irish and many in some parts of country dont welcome them in many cultural areas....

The flag doesnt represent everyone because of how the tricolour was taken and represented by some in the past and now

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3699 - 16/02/2024 13:09:34    2526344

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Talking about a united Ireland and democracy, someone said there's around 7.5million people living on the island of Ireland now, what right do approx 1million of those 7.5 million have to hold the other 6.5 million people back?
A united Ireland would be a roaring economic success in my opinion once it was bedded in.
It would also free the British up to have as hard a Brexit as they like cause they would be rid of the problem of an EU land border where thee can't be a border.
I'd keep the flag, it represents the whole population of the island."
If a United Ireland was to happen do you think the loyalist types would just take that lying down? There'd be murder again.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2114 - 16/02/2024 13:18:09    2526345

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The capitalist states in Europe have shown they are morally bankrupt by their support of Israel. The European Union has been totally dismished by backing Israel except for a few outliers Ireland, Spain,Belgium etc.

In a United Ireland the flag should be retained as it is representative but although the national anthem could be changed. If a United Ireland occurs the Loyalists/Unionists will likely fight regardless.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 16/02/2024 13:26:24    2526348

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Replying To KillingFields:  "What are you basing a united ireland being a "roaring economic success" on? Any data?

Because rightfully or wrongfully that 1 million are citizens of a close neighbour and dont see themselves as irish and many in some parts of country dont welcome them in many cultural areas....

The flag doesnt represent everyone because of how the tricolour was taken and represented by some in the past and now"
There was a report in 2016 that said that all island GDP would rise by £35.6 billion in the first eight years after reunification. The North would benefit most in GDP terms but the Republic's economy would also be significantly boosted by reunification.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 16/02/2024 13:39:07    2526349

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On another issue should the GAA increase its funding offer to help build Casement Park from £15 million to about £50 million?? That would help to ensure it is finally built after years of delays. Work due to start on Casement Park next week but funding has stil not been guaranteed??

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 16/02/2024 13:42:36    2526350

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Not true. Most countries in Europe are capitalist. Ireland is a part of the largest free trade zone in the world and much of economic activity is linked to private companies."
All EU countries are capitalist and cannot be socialist if they want to be in the EU. Sure we were forced to allow competition into the electricity market. The ESB were supplying some of the cheapest electricity prices in Europe to Irish customers. They then had to artificially hike their prices to allow a level playing field when the market was opened to other private companies. Absolutely crazy, competition then pushed us into some of the most expensive electricity in the EU. Sure even state bodies have to outsource and tender out work to the private sector. There is nothing socialist about Ireland. That has been a disaster in some areas like the lab testing for cervical cancer and the collapse in social housing building being just two examples.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 16/02/2024 13:43:10    2526351

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "We all have welfare states though.

Even American survey data suggests their population are in favour of more socialist policies when that word is removed from the language.

FDRs new deal was a socialist policy.

The time that's referenced as America's golden age is when government policy was furthest left.

Taxation and distribution is just as important as the ownership of the means of production.

You should see some of the graphs detailing decreases in taxation and regulations, CEO pay and poverty from to 50s through Reaganomics era to present.

France, Belgium, UK were all the same in the post war era"
Say that's way over most people's heads Doylerwex.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14254 - 16/02/2024 13:44:50    2526352

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IRISH REUNIFICATION would result in a major boost to the GDP of the island, representing €35.6billion over eight years, a major new international study has found.

According to the study led by University of British Columbia Professor Dr Kurt Hubner, the economic improvements would be particularly strong in the North where an improvement of 4.5 - 7% GDP output could be expected, while the South could expect a more modest boost of about 1%. This is equivalent to €5,562 increase in economic output per-person in Ireland.

The study found that harmonisation of tax systems would encourage more foreign direct investment in the North while reducing trade barriers across the island would also benefit growth.

There would be an increase in productivity improvements across the island and that just one Government structure and no more duplication of services would provide increased savings.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 16/02/2024 13:49:07    2526355

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Replying To Bon:  "If a United Ireland was to happen do you think the loyalist types would just take that lying down? There'd be murder again."
Just allow them to continue their drug dealing like they do in Drogheda, Dublin, Limerick etc and they'll fall into line like the rest. Loyalists without British intelligence in a conflict will be about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2513 - 16/02/2024 14:25:20    2526360

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Socialism as been tried in other countries and it shows time and time again it doesn't work

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 304 - 16/02/2024 15:13:48    2526365

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