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6 Team Munster Hurling Championship?

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Munster
Limerick
Clare
Cork
Waterford
Tipperary
Antrim

Leinster
Kilkenny
Galway
Wexford
Dublin
Westmeath
Laois

McDonagh
Kerry
Carlow
Offaly
Down
Kildare
Meath

Before the CPA, club players group, disbanded in March 2021, they recommended that the Munster Championship should accommodate a 6th team, allowing the All-Ireland to have 12 teams.
It seems to have been a fair shout. If Munster has a vacant spot, a non Munster county should benefit. Antrim won the McDonagh this year, Laois are a Leinster county. Antrim would be the obvious choice to join Munster. If Offaly had won the McDonagh, as Laois are the team in possession in Leinster, Offaly would be the candidate to join Munster.
The 6th placed teams should playoff in a relegation final. The only scenario where Antrim would switch to Leinster then would be if Antrim finished 6th, win the relegation final and Kerry win the McDonagh. Antrim would have to switch to Leinster to make room for Kerry.
If Antrim finish 5th in Leinster, Kerry get relegated and a Leinster county wins the McDonagh. Antrim would remain in Leinster as they should not have to swap with a lower ranked county.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 23/06/2022 07:22:29    2426956

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Munster
Limerick
Clare
Cork
Waterford
Tipperary
Antrim

Leinster
Kilkenny
Galway
Wexford
Dublin
Westmeath
Laois

McDonagh
Kerry
Carlow
Offaly
Down
Kildare
Meath

Before the CPA, club players group, disbanded in March 2021, they recommended that the Munster Championship should accommodate a 6th team, allowing the All-Ireland to have 12 teams.
It seems to have been a fair shout. If Munster has a vacant spot, a non Munster county should benefit. Antrim won the McDonagh this year, Laois are a Leinster county. Antrim would be the obvious choice to join Munster. If Offaly had won the McDonagh, as Laois are the team in possession in Leinster, Offaly would be the candidate to join Munster.
The 6th placed teams should playoff in a relegation final. The only scenario where Antrim would switch to Leinster then would be if Antrim finished 6th, win the relegation final and Kerry win the McDonagh. Antrim would have to switch to Leinster to make room for Kerry.
If Antrim finish 5th in Leinster, Kerry get relegated and a Leinster county wins the McDonagh. Antrim would remain in Leinster as they should not have to swap with a lower ranked county."
Here's a thought - let Kerry into a 6 team Munster championship with one proviso - Kerry get home advantage in all their games.

Laois deserved to be relegated this year as they were hopeless all year.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 23/06/2022 10:00:51    2426975

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The Munster counties managed to suit themselves with the system with no relegation, I doubt anything will change.
As Brian Carroll once said "Pulling the ladder up with them".

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 327 - 23/06/2022 10:25:36    2426990

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "
Replying To legendzxix:  "Munster
Limerick
Clare
Cork
Waterford
Tipperary
Antrim

Leinster
Kilkenny
Galway
Wexford
Dublin
Westmeath
Laois

McDonagh
Kerry
Carlow
Offaly
Down
Kildare
Meath

Before the CPA, club players group, disbanded in March 2021, they recommended that the Munster Championship should accommodate a 6th team, allowing the All-Ireland to have 12 teams.
It seems to have been a fair shout. If Munster has a vacant spot, a non Munster county should benefit. Antrim won the McDonagh this year, Laois are a Leinster county. Antrim would be the obvious choice to join Munster. If Offaly had won the McDonagh, as Laois are the team in possession in Leinster, Offaly would be the candidate to join Munster.
The 6th placed teams should playoff in a relegation final. The only scenario where Antrim would switch to Leinster then would be if Antrim finished 6th, win the relegation final and Kerry win the McDonagh. Antrim would have to switch to Leinster to make room for Kerry.
If Antrim finish 5th in Leinster, Kerry get relegated and a Leinster county wins the McDonagh. Antrim would remain in Leinster as they should not have to swap with a lower ranked county."
Here's a thought - let Kerry into a 6 team Munster championship with one proviso - Kerry get home advantage in all their games.

Laois deserved to be relegated this year as they were hopeless all year."
Laois had a bad year but they still have a higher championship ranking. Laois, Carlow, Offaly, Down and Kildare will be difficult opponents next year. Dog eat dog.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 23/06/2022 10:34:29    2426994

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If it's not broken don't fix it. Munster hurling is fine as it is! Leave it alone and don't tamper with it.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1280 - 23/06/2022 12:06:03    2427028

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "If it's not broken don't fix it. Munster hurling is fine as it is! Leave it alone and don't tamper with it."
It is fine for sure, there just happens to be a vacant spot that could be utilised. When Antrim and Offaly are back at full tilt, all spots available must be utilised.
Leinster has assisted the national effort. Munster must do some heavy lifting as well.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 23/06/2022 12:30:22    2427034

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Every time I read these suggestions about teams playing in other provinces I have to laugh. The whole folly of trying to make the national competition work by moving the deck chairs around instead of an open draw. For the lovers of the Munster and Leinster championship let them decide if and how the want to keep it. Mind you they don't or would not be concerned about a Connaught or Ulster championship. What would this new format be know as. Leinster/Connaught and Ulster/Munster championships. Hilarious. The lip stick is not making the pig look one bit better.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2230 - 23/06/2022 13:59:03    2427053

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Putting Offaly into Munster and giving Kerry home advantage for all home games. You couldn't make it up!

In what sport does a team promoted get preferential treatment like home advantage for every game? Why not give them a 5 point head start as well?
Its like the Irish mentality with pay - lets cut the higher earners and put everyone on the same salary because that's fair!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3588 - 23/06/2022 14:12:04    2427058

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Replying To Canuck:  "Every time I read these suggestions about teams playing in other provinces I have to laugh. The whole folly of trying to make the national competition work by moving the deck chairs around instead of an open draw. For the lovers of the Munster and Leinster championship let them decide if and how the want to keep it. Mind you they don't or would not be concerned about a Connaught or Ulster championship. What would this new format be know as. Leinster/Connaught and Ulster/Munster championships. Hilarious. The lip stick is not making the pig look one bit better."
We could go back to something like the system as it was. Straight knockout Leinster and Munster championships. Winners through to AISFs. Then tweak it a bit to have a group stage 16 team Liam Mccarthy 4 groups of 4 open draw with the 2 provincial champions still in it, with the four winners of each group, barring the 2 champions, playing each other with the top 2 going on to the AISFs. That way the 2 provincial champions don't have too long of a layoff.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5581 - 23/06/2022 15:10:04    2427083

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Replying To Canuck:  "Every time I read these suggestions about teams playing in other provinces I have to laugh. The whole folly of trying to make the national competition work by moving the deck chairs around instead of an open draw. For the lovers of the Munster and Leinster championship let them decide if and how the want to keep it. Mind you they don't or would not be concerned about a Connaught or Ulster championship. What would this new format be know as. Leinster/Connaught and Ulster/Munster championships. Hilarious. The lip stick is not making the pig look one bit better."
We could go back to something like the system as it was. Straight knockout Leinster and Munster championships. Winners through to AISFs. Then tweak it a bit to have a group stage 16 team Liam Mccarthy 4 groups of 4 open draw with the 2 provincial champions still in it, with the four winners of each group, barring the 2 champions, playing each other with the top 2 going on to the AISFs. That way the 2 provincial champions don't have too long of a layoff.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5581 - 23/06/2022 15:10:27    2427084

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Putting Offaly into Munster and giving Kerry home advantage for all home games. You couldn't make it up!

In what sport does a team promoted get preferential treatment like home advantage for every game? Why not give them a 5 point head start as well?
Its like the Irish mentality with pay - lets cut the higher earners and put everyone on the same salary because that's fair!"
The 5 home games is over the top alright!!!!! Antrim to Munster is a fair shout though. It shouldn't be just Leinster doing all the heavy lifting, in the national interest.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 23/06/2022 15:22:40    2427090

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Replying To legendzxix:  "It is fine for sure, there just happens to be a vacant spot that could be utilised. When Antrim and Offaly are back at full tilt, all spots available must be utilised.
Leinster has assisted the national effort. Munster must do some heavy lifting as well."
Without Munster hurling, there wouldn't be a national anything, never mind even effort. Throw all the strays into Leinster, a province that needs as much help as it can get.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1280 - 23/06/2022 18:17:23    2427125

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If the GAA are committed to the current structure, then pairing Ulster with Munster and Leinster with Connaught is the fairest way to go.

This would end the ridiculous situation where Kerry have to playoff against the bottom team in Munster if they win the McDonagh.

At the moment, 2 non Leinster counties are stopping actual Leinster counties from playing in the Leinster championship. Galway of course improve the standard of the Leinster Championship and have been a great addition, but fact is they, and now Antrim are playing Leinster hurling instead of the likes of Laois, Carlow, Offaly and now Kildare.

If Munster don't want to pair with Ulster, then Leinster should be reduced to 5 teams also and Galway taken out of it. Leinster shouldn't have to accommodate other provinces when Munster won't.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 182 - 24/06/2022 07:51:18    2427154

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Kerry should be in munster for the hurling. You don't see the football counties hiding going into other provinces.

F4 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 47 - 24/06/2022 08:36:36    2427156

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Without Munster hurling, there wouldn't be a national anything, never mind even effort. Throw all the strays into Leinster, a province that needs as much help as it can get."
Only county in Munster that kept the hurling light burning through the 18th century was Cork. Along with Wexford, Galway and Antrim. Hurling had to be spread back into the other counties as the 19th century went on.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5581 - 24/06/2022 09:47:09    2427166

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Putting Offaly into Munster and giving Kerry home advantage for all home games. You couldn't make it up!

In what sport does a team promoted get preferential treatment like home advantage for every game? Why not give them a 5 point head start as well?
Its like the Irish mentality with pay - lets cut the higher earners and put everyone on the same salary because that's fair!"
Maybe a better idea would be to give Tipp home advantage for all their games next season. It might help them out.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 998 - 24/06/2022 10:33:44    2427190

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Offaly, who are in the minor final, are making big strides to get back to the top table. Offaly, Antrim and Westmeath need to be playing the Top 9 more often. The current format is hindering development. At least 3 counties outside the Top 9 should be catered for.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 24/06/2022 10:37:43    2427192

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The issue with Kerry in the Munster hurling championship at all levels is down to the Kerry CB. They just don't want to make the effort.

In 2020 pre Covid the Munster council wanted Kerry to play in the minor and U20 championships but the CB said no they weren't ready etc the usual line that comes out. Yet they've done alright in both since they've played in them. The only exta county who should be in Munster are Kerry. Logisticly it makes no sense to have Antrim in Munster.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 998 - 24/06/2022 10:37:52    2427193

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Replying To oneoff:  "Maybe a better idea would be to give Tipp home advantage for all their games next season. It might help them out."
The way Tipperary are at the moment - that's a good idea!c

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 24/06/2022 10:52:35    2427202

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Replying To F4:  "Kerry should be in munster for the hurling. You don't see the football counties hiding going into other provinces."
"football counties" says a Kilkenny man! Jaysus, the gumption of some people. If they aren't hiding, where have Kilkenny footballers been for the last 40-odd years in the Leinster championship? Houdini would be hard pressed to hide as well as them.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1280 - 24/06/2022 13:03:47    2427256

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