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Intermediate

Askamore-Bunclody: a derby that should draw a good crowd to Ferns. Askamore are solid from 1-15 and particularly strong in the two half-lines. It was an interesting departure placing Levingstone and PJ Nolan wing-back the last day, while Tucker and Tomkins are class at the other end. Ordinarily I would expect fireworks, and the local element will probably make it a close-run affair, but I just think with Bunclody's absentees, Askamore should pip them.

Fethard- Adamstown: found that stat about Adamstown that featured in their match report astonishing: the only game they have won in the last two years was the relegation final last year. It's not going to get any easier this weekend either, I expect the seasiders to be far too strong and win comfortably.

Oulart-Taghmon: Oulart were humming at times last week, and blew Ballygarrett away when they got going. Taghmon are a step up this weekend, and I wouldn't be surprised if they give Oulart the toughest game of the group stage. They have some excellent hurlers, and can mine a decent tally every game with Cathal Doyle and Stephen O'Gorman their two key forwards. But can't see anything other than an Oulart win all the same.

Blackwater-St.James- - Blackwater faded quite badly the last day out. Looking at the game, I feel they didn't utilise Mossy Murphy enough and he ended up isolated inside. If they can feed him more ball they will be in with a shout as with Patrick O'Connor generally excellent from frees, they'll almost always hit double-figures from that route. St.James' are hard beat, but might lack serious quality up front to blow away teams. I think this game could be a dogfight, draw.

Ballygarrett-Buffers Alley: another derby, with teams going in opposite directions it appears. Ballygarrett were completely outclassed last Sunday, and while I'd expect an improvement due to the mere sight of the green and gold jerseys, Buffers Alley should still win, perhaps hovering around a double-figure margin too.

Tara Rocks- Gusserane: battle of the two most recent Inter A winners from opposite ends of the county. I quietly fancy Gusserane to go far in the championship. Aside from Oulart and Fethard, they are as good as anyone else in the grade in my view. Tara Rocks gave the latter a decent game mid-week, but I don't know if their defence is of the requisite quality to keep the better teams in check. Next week's game vs Adamstown may be seen as a must-win for the Gorey district side, while Gusserane's derby clash with Fethard in round five may be a dead-rubber by then. Gusserane to win by a few points.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1151 - 30/06/2022 14:06:12    2428824

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Replying To beano:  "A look ahead to this weekend's senior ties.

St.Anne's-Cloughbawn: I saw enough in Cloughbawn during the week to believe they'll be competitive across their remaining games. Whitty was obviously the stand-out, but they could probably get more out of Connal Flood and Harry and Colm Kehoe which is encouraging. Reading the report of the Anne's game, it seemed Mogie was the difference vs Crossabeg. I always seem to write off St.Anne's, but my eye-test has me swaying towards a vital win for Cloughbawn

Oylegate-Shelmaliers: Oylegate went down tame enough to Ferns in the end, with some observers here voicing concerns about the lack of a defined game-plan. Shels were made work for victory against a depleted St.Martin's side, but came good in the final quarter. They arguably have the strongest panel in the entire grade, compared to Oylegate who need all their big guns on the pitch at the same time (Shane Reck absent the last day). Can only see a Shels win here.

Rathnure-St.Martin's: the Martin Quigley derby one might say. I was disappointed in Rathnure mid-week, having felt they would give Rapps a good rattle. St.Martin's perhaps exceeded expectations given their own personnel absences, but will need ROC back ASAP if they are to have any chance of contention in the long-run. Hard one to call really as both have room for improvement, hesitant vote for Martin's to put Rathnure on the back-foot early on in a tough group.

Naomh Eanna-Glynn: I was impressed in Gorey when they got their shape right, and could possibly have the best starting 15 in the championship, especially with Gary Molloy and Cathal Dunbar still to come back in. I would assume David Clarke will be assigned Conor Mac after limiting Chin to just one point from play the last day, although O'Regan is almost certainly going to be in his vicinity at all times too. At the other end, Glynn will hope to feed enough ball into White, who was on fire the last day. Probably the most appealing match on paper of the weekend, but on the basis that Glynn are wildly inconsistent against the top teams, Naomh Eanna to nick it.

Crossabeg-Faythe Harriers: if I was disappointed at Rathnure's showing, I was aghast at the Harriers. It hasn't really clicked for them yet in spite of furnishing an All Star hurler in Chin with plenty of very talented youngsters. I wouldn't be surprised if Crossabeg raised their game against them too, Anne's found them hard to shake off, but I feel this is a must-win game more so for the Harriers (they have Gorey next) than Crossabeg, who may be eyeing up Cloughbawn as a veritable four-pointer next weekend. Harriers to win.

Ferns-Rapps: potentially a humdinger between two sides in different districts but geographical rivals all the same. On paper, Ferns have as good a fifteen as anyone, Morris is revitalised after his injury troubles, and the likes of Byrne-Dunbar and Diarmuid Doyle add a bit of class up there too. Kevin Foley was probably the player of the midweek games, and Rapps have their set-up learned off like a fine art at this stage. I just think it's about time Ferns went and won a game against a contender, no better time than now."
Anne's
Shels
Martin's
Glynn
Crossabeg
Rapps

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 30/06/2022 14:07:27    2428827

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Right predictions for the weekend

Senior Hurling
St. Annes v Cloughbawn
Annes put in a strong finish to defeat a difficult Ballymurn side, relying on a unusually quiet Dee to see them through. Cloughbawn put it up to Gorey for long periods until the switch of McDonald changed the game, I still think they will have just enough to see off a Cloughabwn side but I do not see much between the teams. ANNES WIN.

Oylegate v Shelmaliers
Oylegate never really threatened to defeat Ferns last weekend with Ferns deploying tow men on Podge which seem to stop them. Shels were above average for how they can play but again like other teams expect them to improve as they go along. SHELS TO WIN.

Rathnure v St. Martins
The Blackstairs men were the biggest disappointment for me last weekend as I expected to see them carry on their league form, defeated easily. Expect to see a bit of a kick out of them but would thin the Martins should really still have enough for them even without their influential players. MARTIN WINS BY 3

Naomh Eanna v Glynn-Barntown
A very interesting tie, both got wins last weekend comfortably so I would imagine this will be a tight affair. I think it will be a tale for the two full forwards. If Glynn can hold off Mac they might get the win while if Gorey stop Ronan White, full forward for Glynn, Gorey should see it through. A hesitant Gorey win by 2 points.

Ballymurn v Faythe Harriers
Having watching Harriers last week, I though they were poor, short passing game broke down at many stages, feel they have the players to just play 15 on 15. Ballymurn put it up to the Annes and were unlucky not to get the win. I think there could be a bit of a surprise in this one, Ballymurn to win.

Rapparees v Ferns
Both got victories last week. Lot of question surrounding how Rapps would continue on this year and they looked impressive enough in their first outing, never under any pressure. Ferns beat Oylegate very confortably but i think the Rapps might have just too much for them, Rapps to get get a second win.

Intermediate

Askamore v Bunclody
Alot closer than it would if been in previous years due to the fact of the amount of players Bunclody are missing. I know askmaore defeated Adamstown in the first game, who I think were poor so i'm going for a hesitant Bunclody victory. BUNCLODY WIN

Fethard v Adamstown
Fethard struggled at times last weekend against newly promoted Tara Rocks but finished strongly, expect them to continue on and improve as the competition goes on, Adamstown only scored 12 points last weekend, think Fethard by 6. FETHARD WIN

Oulart The Ballagh v Taghmon-Camross
Oulart looked unstoppable last week against what must be said a very poor Ballygarrett side but should see off Taghmon who were very poor for periods again Blackwater last week. OULART WIN

Blackwater V St. James
The seaside men were very poor against Taghmon last week while St, James while bet by 10 points were impressive again a young Alley side. Blackwater to improve but the Ramsgrange men should pick up a first win. JAMES WIN by 6.

Ballygarrett v Buffers Alley
The newly promoted side already look like a team that will be fighted relegation albeit they will have played the two strongest teams in the group. Alley were impressive on Tuesday and play a nice brand of hurling, think they could be outsides for the championship. Expect them to win confortably here. ALLEY TO WIN BY 8

Tara Rocks v Gusserane
I think two evenly matched teams, Rocks were close to Fethard for most of the match while Gusserane bet a depleted Bunclody side. I think Gusserane will pick up their second victory,"
Askamore
Fethard
Taghmon*
Jimmy's
Alley
Gusserane

*- never back against your own!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 30/06/2022 15:25:35    2428857

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Replying To beano:  "Intermediate

Askamore-Bunclody: a derby that should draw a good crowd to Ferns. Askamore are solid from 1-15 and particularly strong in the two half-lines. It was an interesting departure placing Levingstone and PJ Nolan wing-back the last day, while Tucker and Tomkins are class at the other end. Ordinarily I would expect fireworks, and the local element will probably make it a close-run affair, but I just think with Bunclody's absentees, Askamore should pip them.

Fethard- Adamstown: found that stat about Adamstown that featured in their match report astonishing: the only game they have won in the last two years was the relegation final last year. It's not going to get any easier this weekend either, I expect the seasiders to be far too strong and win comfortably.

Oulart-Taghmon: Oulart were humming at times last week, and blew Ballygarrett away when they got going. Taghmon are a step up this weekend, and I wouldn't be surprised if they give Oulart the toughest game of the group stage. They have some excellent hurlers, and can mine a decent tally every game with Cathal Doyle and Stephen O'Gorman their two key forwards. But can't see anything other than an Oulart win all the same.

Blackwater-St.James- - Blackwater faded quite badly the last day out. Looking at the game, I feel they didn't utilise Mossy Murphy enough and he ended up isolated inside. If they can feed him more ball they will be in with a shout as with Patrick O'Connor generally excellent from frees, they'll almost always hit double-figures from that route. St.James' are hard beat, but might lack serious quality up front to blow away teams. I think this game could be a dogfight, draw.

Ballygarrett-Buffers Alley: another derby, with teams going in opposite directions it appears. Ballygarrett were completely outclassed last Sunday, and while I'd expect an improvement due to the mere sight of the green and gold jerseys, Buffers Alley should still win, perhaps hovering around a double-figure margin too.

Tara Rocks- Gusserane: battle of the two most recent Inter A winners from opposite ends of the county. I quietly fancy Gusserane to go far in the championship. Aside from Oulart and Fethard, they are as good as anyone else in the grade in my view. Tara Rocks gave the latter a decent game mid-week, but I don't know if their defence is of the requisite quality to keep the better teams in check. Next week's game vs Adamstown may be seen as a must-win for the Gorey district side, while Gusserane's derby clash with Fethard in round five may be a dead-rubber by then. Gusserane to win by a few points."
Ross District teams definitely improving at hurling Beano.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 30/06/2022 15:29:37    2428858

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Replying To Viking66:  "Shels will be tough ok. When I'm making my predictions l be tipping them. Sorry about that! Martins still don't seem right. Rory will be missing or not fully fit if he plays. Think you have a chance though you will be underdogs. Will Damien and Shane be fully fit for that?"
Hopefully we need them both, but we also need the likes of Casey, Podge, Jim White, Mike Kelly and Jack Reck to step up.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 326 - 30/06/2022 16:18:10    2428871

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Replying To WEX98:  "Hopefully we need them both, but we also need the likes of Casey, Podge, Jim White, Mike Kelly and Jack Reck to step up."
Seamus Casey has always been a frustrating lad for me to watch when he's played on teams I was supporting in games. Underage or Senior or even ITC. He has a really bad habit of drifting out of games. He's bulked up a good bit the last couple of years. His hurling was always excellent. Same as his freetaking. Just don't know why it happens but its really frustrating.
Not telling you your business but route 1 to Podge is a little too predictable against Senior opponents. And last year, apart from hammering us, you seemed to hit too many wides from too far out the field. You won't get as many chances at the level you are now at.
Finally a bit of belief goes along way. I was shocked at your post earlier tbh WEX98. That thinking is like a contagious disease. No better way of ending up doomed than everyone thinking they are doomed already.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 30/06/2022 16:58:19    2428885

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Replying To Viking66:  "16 teams in 4 groups of 4 was what I favoured for that very reason Tom. Unfortunately noone else on here at the time or that I know personally agreed with me!"
I don't know the club scene well enough yet as others here do, but I remember when there was 16 teams there was about 3-4 different levels, i.e. the serious contenders (Oulart, and maybe Rathnure and St. Martins), the "good year" merchants who could up it for a year and go close (e.g. Rapps, Harriers, Cloughban, Shels, Glynn) a middle of the road group (e.g. Ferns, Oylegate, Bunclody) and a no hopers group trying to avoid relegation (e.g. Marshelstown, Monageer, Shamrocks, Duffry Rovers).
The gap between Oulart and Duffry Rovers was gigantic. Is that the case between Rapps and Bunclody or Buffers Alley? Maybe it is? There was a few 8 pt gaps between teams on Tuesday. But that could be "first day out".

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 195 - 30/06/2022 17:36:02    2428890

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Replying To Viking66:  "Seamus Casey has always been a frustrating lad for me to watch when he's played on teams I was supporting in games. Underage or Senior or even ITC. He has a really bad habit of drifting out of games. He's bulked up a good bit the last couple of years. His hurling was always excellent. Same as his freetaking. Just don't know why it happens but its really frustrating.
Not telling you your business but route 1 to Podge is a little too predictable against Senior opponents. And last year, apart from hammering us, you seemed to hit too many wides from too far out the field. You won't get as many chances at the level you are now at.
Finally a bit of belief goes along way. I was shocked at your post earlier tbh WEX98. That thinking is like a contagious disease. No better way of ending up doomed than everyone thinking they are doomed already."
Ah my posts are usually fairly tongue and cheek

Always like to get an old dig at Oulart!

Podge for a big man is actually much better with low ball coming in.

I'd actually play him over in the corner and if the opposition want to stick two fellas over beside him, great!

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 326 - 30/06/2022 18:08:50    2428899

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To beano:  "A look ahead to this weekend's senior ties.

St.Anne's-Cloughbawn: I saw enough in Cloughbawn during the week to believe they'll be competitive across their remaining games. Whitty was obviously the stand-out, but they could probably get more out of Connal Flood and Harry and Colm Kehoe which is encouraging. Reading the report of the Anne's game, it seemed Mogie was the difference vs Crossabeg. I always seem to write off St.Anne's, but my eye-test has me swaying towards a vital win for Cloughbawn

Oylegate-Shelmaliers: Oylegate went down tame enough to Ferns in the end, with some observers here voicing concerns about the lack of a defined game-plan. Shels were made work for victory against a depleted St.Martin's side, but came good in the final quarter. They arguably have the strongest panel in the entire grade, compared to Oylegate who need all their big guns on the pitch at the same time (Shane Reck absent the last day). Can only see a Shels win here.

Rathnure-St.Martin's: the Martin Quigley derby one might say. I was disappointed in Rathnure mid-week, having felt they would give Rapps a good rattle. St.Martin's perhaps exceeded expectations given their own personnel absences, but will need ROC back ASAP if they are to have any chance of contention in the long-run. Hard one to call really as both have room for improvement, hesitant vote for Martin's to put Rathnure on the back-foot early on in a tough group.

Naomh Eanna-Glynn: I was impressed in Gorey when they got their shape right, and could possibly have the best starting 15 in the championship, especially with Gary Molloy and Cathal Dunbar still to come back in. I would assume David Clarke will be assigned Conor Mac after limiting Chin to just one point from play the last day, although O'Regan is almost certainly going to be in his vicinity at all times too. At the other end, Glynn will hope to feed enough ball into White, who was on fire the last day. Probably the most appealing match on paper of the weekend, but on the basis that Glynn are wildly inconsistent against the top teams, Naomh Eanna to nick it.

Crossabeg-Faythe Harriers: if I was disappointed at Rathnure's showing, I was aghast at the Harriers. It hasn't really clicked for them yet in spite of furnishing an All Star hurler in Chin with plenty of very talented youngsters. I wouldn't be surprised if Crossabeg raised their game against them too, Anne's found them hard to shake off, but I feel this is a must-win game more so for the Harriers (they have Gorey next) than Crossabeg, who may be eyeing up Cloughbawn as a veritable four-pointer next weekend. Harriers to win.

Ferns-Rapps: potentially a humdinger between two sides in different districts but geographical rivals all the same. On paper, Ferns have as good a fifteen as anyone, Morris is revitalised after his injury troubles, and the likes of Byrne-Dunbar and Diarmuid Doyle add a bit of class up there too. Kevin Foley was probably the player of the midweek games, and Rapps have their set-up learned off like a fine art at this stage. I just think it's about time Ferns went and won a game against a contender, no better time than now."
Anne's
Shels
Martin's
Glynn
Crossabeg
Rapps"
Cloughbawn by 2.
Shels by 5
Rathnure by 1
Gorey by 7
Harriers by 4
Ferns by 1

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 30 - 30/06/2022 18:42:56    2428902

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Replying To tearintom:  "Has it been far more competitive since it went to 12 or has it simply just coincided with the dominance of Oulart waning though?

I agree 14 teams would be a non runner but i see merit in increasing to 16 meaning 4 groups of 4. More players hurling at a higher level.

I suppose theres pros and cons for all scenarios really"
Yes it has been far more competitive.

4 groups of four means three games in the group.

What then? Top team into quarter final, 2 and 3 into the last 16 and the bottom team into a relegation scrap?

The majority of teams would end up with at least one game less in the championship.

We will see how the land lies after the weekend in terms of where teams are.

For me this weekend.

Cloughbawn and St Annes (Draw)
Naomh Eanna and Glynn Barntown (Glynn to win by 4)
Crossabeg and Faythe Harriers (hard to call this one, slight nod to Crossabeg)
Shelmaliers and Oylgate (Only one winner here and its the men in black and amber by 7)
Rathnure and St Martins (St Martins will just have enough here to beat Rathnure by 4 points)
Rapps and Ferns (Potential to be the game of the round, the county champions will taste their first defeat of the championship here)
Glynn, Ferns and Shels in the driving seat.
Rathnure, Oylgate and Harriers in the nervous position

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 01/07/2022 09:52:21    2428934

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Replying To Viking66:  "Shels will be tough ok. When I'm making my predictions l be tipping them. Sorry about that! Martins still don't seem right. Rory will be missing or not fully fit if he plays. Think you have a chance though you will be underdogs. Will Damien and Shane be fully fit for that?"
The Shels - Martins game was poor enough, a lot of sloppy hurling. Both will benefit from it. Coleman will be back for the Martins and Malone for the Shels. Speaking of which, a trivia question. Is Brian Malone the only player playing senior hurling that has an all ireland hurling medal at adult level?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1432 - 01/07/2022 10:40:15    2428943

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I don't know the club scene well enough yet as others here do, but I remember when there was 16 teams there was about 3-4 different levels, i.e. the serious contenders (Oulart, and maybe Rathnure and St. Martins), the "good year" merchants who could up it for a year and go close (e.g. Rapps, Harriers, Cloughban, Shels, Glynn) a middle of the road group (e.g. Ferns, Oylegate, Bunclody) and a no hopers group trying to avoid relegation (e.g. Marshelstown, Monageer, Shamrocks, Duffry Rovers).
The gap between Oulart and Duffry Rovers was gigantic. Is that the case between Rapps and Bunclody or Buffers Alley? Maybe it is? There was a few 8 pt gaps between teams on Tuesday. But that could be "first day out"."
The 12 or 16 thing has been debated here a few times before, so I'm not going to say much about it, but am jumping in here because you mention Duffry Rovers as an example a couple of times.

The Duffry managed to stay senior for more than 30 years, from winning intermediate in 1978 to eventually being relegated sometime around 2011 or 2012, around the time senior went back to just 12 teams.

Yet in all that time, they were never really ranked as realistic contenders. If memory serves me correctly, they reached a semi-final just once in all that time, and any quarter-final they reached was when it was played as a straight knock-out and they just happened to win their opening game.

Realistically, they survived for many of those years (and particularly in the latter stages of their spell in senior) by virtue of being 14th or 15th best of 16.

Other clubs like ones you also mention, and others such as Ballyfad or St. Pat's, would also come up from intermediate, have no realistic ambition other than surviving a couple of years, and then be relegated again.

Have to say that overall, I prefer the 12-team format.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 921 - 01/07/2022 10:50:34    2428948

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The 12 or 16 thing has been debated here a few times before, so I'm not going to say much about it, but am jumping in here because you mention Duffry Rovers as an example a couple of times.

The Duffry managed to stay senior for more than 30 years, from winning intermediate in 1978 to eventually being relegated sometime around 2011 or 2012, around the time senior went back to just 12 teams.

Yet in all that time, they were never really ranked as realistic contenders. If memory serves me correctly, they reached a semi-final just once in all that time, and any quarter-final they reached was when it was played as a straight knock-out and they just happened to win their opening game.

Realistically, they survived for many of those years (and particularly in the latter stages of their spell in senior) by virtue of being 14th or 15th best of 16.

Other clubs like ones you also mention, and others such as Ballyfad or St. Pat's, would also come up from intermediate, have no realistic ambition other than surviving a couple of years, and then be relegated again.

Have to say that overall, I prefer the 12-team format."
You are right I would say Pikeman, I was putting it as a discussion point. The 12 probably is the best format. It is a paradox that by increasing it to 16, you would be diluting the quality for the 12, but exposing another 4 to top level hurling which would bring them on. Or maybe it wouldn't, because they are genuine intermediate contenders and rather than as you say like Duffry Rovers spend a lifetime hanging in there which is grand until you get a trouncing from someone.
I think I heard Tommy Walsh make that very point.
No right or wrong answer.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 195 - 01/07/2022 11:49:38    2428967

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Replying To zinny:  "The Shels - Martins game was poor enough, a lot of sloppy hurling. Both will benefit from it. Coleman will be back for the Martins and Malone for the Shels. Speaking of which, a trivia question. Is Brian Malone the only player playing senior hurling that has an all ireland hurling medal at adult level?"
Say so zinny. 2007 was 15 years ago now. Not bad for a great footballer!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 01/07/2022 16:00:57    2429050

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The 12 or 16 thing has been debated here a few times before, so I'm not going to say much about it, but am jumping in here because you mention Duffry Rovers as an example a couple of times.

The Duffry managed to stay senior for more than 30 years, from winning intermediate in 1978 to eventually being relegated sometime around 2011 or 2012, around the time senior went back to just 12 teams.

Yet in all that time, they were never really ranked as realistic contenders. If memory serves me correctly, they reached a semi-final just once in all that time, and any quarter-final they reached was when it was played as a straight knock-out and they just happened to win their opening game.

Realistically, they survived for many of those years (and particularly in the latter stages of their spell in senior) by virtue of being 14th or 15th best of 16.

Other clubs like ones you also mention, and others such as Ballyfad or St. Pat's, would also come up from intermediate, have no realistic ambition other than surviving a couple of years, and then be relegated again.

Have to say that overall, I prefer the 12-team format."
My only preference for the 16 team format is that it exposes more hurlers in the county to better opponents, which would hopefully bring their hurling on and in particular stand to the county team.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 01/07/2022 16:03:00    2429051

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There's a stronger argument to reduce it to 8 teams rather than increase to 16.

The standard is poor enough as it is without adding in 4 weaker teams.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 347 - 01/07/2022 18:18:31    2429082

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Replying To Onfor15:  "There's a stronger argument to reduce it to 8 teams rather than increase to 16.

The standard is poor enough as it is without adding in 4 weaker teams."
Which 8 teams are ahead of the bottom 4 out of the senior 12?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 02/07/2022 11:04:44    2429139

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