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Replying To beano: "So I got only three of my six predictions correct in the senior (Shels, Naomh Eanna and Ferns) but Taghmon beating Blackwater was the only result I didn't foresee in the Intermediate. Not too bad I suppose-it's a hard game to get right.
Was at the Gorey-Cloughbawn game last night. Gorey looked average enough in the first twenty minutes but were excellent thereafter powered by two typical top-drawer Mac goals. In fairness, Cloughbawn were well up for it, tackling, harrying and blocking like demons and pretty much taking every scoring chance they created early on.
But Gorey were much better after a tactical tweak. Mac was moved from the wing inside to his most familiar spot and when he did what he does, it was game over. I was surprised by Cloughbawn isolating Mac inside (Gorey made space with a two-man full-forward line)- they could have dropped a man back to sweep or had Flood or Colm Kehoe follow Mac in there.
Some of Gorey's point taking was sublime when they were going well. Bob Whitty was outstanding for Cloughbawn, with Flood showing flashes and Paddy Whitty hitting three excellent points too. I thought Jack Doran was very good for Gorey in midfield (along with the ultra consistent Aodhan Doyle), Jack Cullen was a totemic centre-back, McGuckin his typically industrious self, while Conroy revelled in corner back." Gorey are strong all over the field. I agree Cloughbawn should of isolated mac inside. They were point for point with gorey only for the goals and played better than their league results suggested. I can see them picking up a few wins. Group might come down the points difference to quality.
Jack Cullen was excellent. In the air. In open plan. Going forward.
Bob whitty one of the most skillful hurlers around.
Just a word on Éamonn furlong the referee. Serious good job done. Took no messing. Let the game flow and seemed to communicate well with the players.
Overall a very good game of hurling with some lovely scores from both sides.
Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 76 - 29/06/2022 11:19:23
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Replying To Afinestick: "Anyone at the games last night? Who stood out? Didn't get to see any of the games had junior training" I was at the Glynn vs Harriers match.
outside of Lee chin, the standout for me was Rowan White a full forward for glynn. He looked a threat for the entire match.
The game was close up till the sending off, there was 2 points in it at that stage. Momentum seemed to be Harriers. The red card was very harsh in my opinion but Glynn seemed to believe it was clear cut red. It was a case of charging where the smaller man just got run over. It was a free all right but no red card. The glynn player who came in a stroke with the hurl didn't get a card who by letter of law had more of a case to answer.
Harriers seemed to be poorly setup playing with two men dropping and one seemed to be Richie Lawlor which you'd be happy to see. harrier stroke a lot wide's from long range with the wind in the second half, with chin inside better option is to play him in. Both teams stroke a mountain of ball to the free men at the back. Harriers also turned over a huge amount of there puckouts as the backs could not break the tackles when carrying the ball out. for a team training and playing this style they looked very uncomfortable on the ball.
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I was at Ferns-Oylegate and after spending 60 minutes watching that match, I'm still confused as to what Oylegate's gameplan actually was (Or maybe if they even had a gameplan at all!). Ferns put Niall Murphy on Podge and looked like they instructed him to make sure that Podge didn't win clean possession. Ferns then had Eoin Murphy sit right in front of Podge as well. Those tactics are hardly rocket science yet Oylegate seemed to have no answer for them. On the whole, the Ferns backs were very strong whilst the Ferns forwards were functional. Oylegate on the other hand were bitterly disappointing, some really bad shooting in front of goal in the first half and some really bad decision-making in possession
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 237 - 29/06/2022 11:52:14
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Replying To feariomána: "I was at the Glynn vs Harriers match.
outside of Lee chin, the standout for me was Rowan White a full forward for glynn. He looked a threat for the entire match.
The game was close up till the sending off, there was 2 points in it at that stage. Momentum seemed to be Harriers. The red card was very harsh in my opinion but Glynn seemed to believe it was clear cut red. It was a case of charging where the smaller man just got run over. It was a free all right but no red card. The glynn player who came in a stroke with the hurl didn't get a card who by letter of law had more of a case to answer.
Harriers seemed to be poorly setup playing with two men dropping and one seemed to be Richie Lawlor which you'd be happy to see. harrier stroke a lot wide's from long range with the wind in the second half, with chin inside better option is to play him in. Both teams stroke a mountain of ball to the free men at the back. Harriers also turned over a huge amount of there puckouts as the backs could not break the tackles when carrying the ball out. for a team training and playing this style they looked very uncomfortable on the ball." It wasn't a red card - second yellow and correctly so - he lead with his elbow as he charged the man, was booked earlier in the game. Glynn player barely touched him on the elbow if at all - he went to ground immediately. All happened right infront of me. Ref was spot on.
Wouldnt say it was a turning point as the harriers never lead in the game but it certainly halted their momentum. Glynn poor in second half - only 4 points in 30 mins. Harriers lost it in the 5 mins before half time when they conceeded 5 or 6 points without reply.
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Was at Glynn v harriers game. Strange game in that I thought Glynn were the better team yet but for awful shooting by the harriers and a brilliant save by fanning they could have lost.
The quality of ball or lack of going into chin also a big factor in their defeat especially in the second half. I thought they might be dark horses this year but unless they improve significantly they'll struggle to even get out of the group.
Agree with earlier post about Rowan white. He was lively throughout and if he could improve his shooting he'd be a major addition to the inter county set up with his pace and mobility.
Red card deserved in my opinion. Stupid to charge at opposing player with elbow and hurl. Think ref awarded a second yellow
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 29/06/2022 12:32:53
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Replying To feariomána: "I was at the Glynn vs Harriers match.
outside of Lee chin, the standout for me was Rowan White a full forward for glynn. He looked a threat for the entire match.
The game was close up till the sending off, there was 2 points in it at that stage. Momentum seemed to be Harriers. The red card was very harsh in my opinion but Glynn seemed to believe it was clear cut red. It was a case of charging where the smaller man just got run over. It was a free all right but no red card. The glynn player who came in a stroke with the hurl didn't get a card who by letter of law had more of a case to answer.
Harriers seemed to be poorly setup playing with two men dropping and one seemed to be Richie Lawlor which you'd be happy to see. harrier stroke a lot wide's from long range with the wind in the second half, with chin inside better option is to play him in. Both teams stroke a mountain of ball to the free men at the back. Harriers also turned over a huge amount of there puckouts as the backs could not break the tackles when carrying the ball out. for a team training and playing this style they looked very uncomfortable on the ball." Rowan White was very good underage intercounty too. He was on the 2016 u21 team of which 12 or 13 of the 26 have made senior intercounty appearances and the likes of Mac, Ryan, Donohue, K Foley, P Foley, Devitt, Dunbar, Bailey and Joe O Connor have made senior championship appearances the last couple of seasons.
Not sure Derek's style translates that well to club hurlers as even intercounty hurlers seemed to struggle with it at times.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11831 - 29/06/2022 12:33:39
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I was at Ferns-Oylegate and after spending 60 minutes watching that match, I'm still confused as to what Oylegate's gameplan actually was (Or maybe if they even had a gameplan at all!). Ferns put Niall Murphy on Podge and looked like they instructed him to make sure that Podge didn't win clean possession. Ferns then had Eoin Murphy sit right in front of Podge as well. Those tactics are hardly rocket science yet Oylegate seemed to have no answer for them. On the whole, the Ferns backs were very strong whilst the Ferns forwards were functional. Oylegate on the other hand were bitterly disappointing, some really bad shooting in front of goal in the first half and some really bad decision-making in possession" Looks like the Bookies were right......Oulart have a better chance of winning senior than Oylegate.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 29/06/2022 12:47:57
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Replying To Yellowhelmet: "Gorey are strong all over the field. I agree Cloughbawn should of isolated mac inside. They were point for point with gorey only for the goals and played better than their league results suggested. I can see them picking up a few wins. Group might come down the points difference to quality.
Jack Cullen was excellent. In the air. In open plan. Going forward.
Bob whitty one of the most skillful hurlers around.
Just a word on Éamonn furlong the referee. Serious good job done. Took no messing. Let the game flow and seemed to communicate well with the players.
Overall a very good game of hurling with some lovely scores from both sides." Yeah the referee called for something I have rarely, if ever, seen and I was impressed.
Cloughbawn scored a point in the second half, and the Gorey goalie went to run behind the net to retrieve the sliothar. But Furlong spotted he clearly had a spare ball sitting inside the goal, and blew them for time-wasting, instead awarding a throw-in. Visibily demonstrated his decision too. It was refreshing to see as time wasting has crept in to the game all too frequently.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1416 - 29/06/2022 12:58:56
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Replying To WEX98: "Looks like the Bookies were right......Oulart have a better chance of winning senior than Oylegate." 1st game back WEX98. Don't read too much into it. You were beaten by Bunclody last year and we beat them. And then you hammered us.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11831 - 29/06/2022 13:59:02
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Replying To beano: "Yeah the referee called for something I have rarely, if ever, seen and I was impressed.
Cloughbawn scored a point in the second half, and the Gorey goalie went to run behind the net to retrieve the sliothar. But Furlong spotted he clearly had a spare ball sitting inside the goal, and blew them for time-wasting, instead awarding a throw-in. Visibily demonstrated his decision too. It was refreshing to see as time wasting has crept in to the game all too frequently." Cullen and Doyle were both with the senior intercounty panel at the start of this year but Cullen dropped out soon after the Tipp challenge game. Any idea why Beano?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11831 - 29/06/2022 14:02:21
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Replying To fearcliste: "It wasn't a red card - second yellow and correctly so - he lead with his elbow as he charged the man, was booked earlier in the game. Glynn player barely touched him on the elbow if at all - he went to ground immediately. All happened right infront of me. Ref was spot on.
Wouldnt say it was a turning point as the harriers never lead in the game but it certainly halted their momentum. Glynn poor in second half - only 4 points in 30 mins. Harriers lost it in the 5 mins before half time when they conceeded 5 or 6 points without reply." I didn't see the second yellow been shown. A yellow was deserved.
feariomána (Wexford) - Posts: 4 - 29/06/2022 14:04:33
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Never over react after the first round of games. Start to think after round 2 because there are only 3 left after it.
Eamonn Furlong is a top referee and having been involved with under age teams who he refereed, the players like that he talks to them and tells them what they did wrong for a free to be awarded. He is a young enough referee too by the look of him? 35-40?
The Rapps showing they not going to hand back the cup without a fight. Going to be a good championship and always a chance of a bolter from the pack. Any of 7-8 teams could win it.
In intermediate, it is too soon to give Oulart the cup but that annihilation at the weekend shows they not fancying an extended stay in intermediate. Given it was an anomaly on which they relegated, they will be determined to set the record straight. Billy Dunne's point which was doing the rounds on Facebook, take a bow son.
Given how competitive senior is in Wexford, should it go back to 16 teams like it was when I first moved down here? Or even 14 teams, 2 x groups of 7. Fethard, Oulart, etc would be more than a match for any senior team. Or is the do or die nature of 12 its strength?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 29/06/2022 14:54:53
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Never over react after the first round of games. Start to think after round 2 because there are only 3 left after it.
Eamonn Furlong is a top referee and having been involved with under age teams who he refereed, the players like that he talks to them and tells them what they did wrong for a free to be awarded. He is a young enough referee too by the look of him? 35-40?
The Rapps showing they not going to hand back the cup without a fight. Going to be a good championship and always a chance of a bolter from the pack. Any of 7-8 teams could win it.
In intermediate, it is too soon to give Oulart the cup but that annihilation at the weekend shows they not fancying an extended stay in intermediate. Given it was an anomaly on which they relegated, they will be determined to set the record straight. Billy Dunne's point which was doing the rounds on Facebook, take a bow son.
Given how competitive senior is in Wexford, should it go back to 16 teams like it was when I first moved down here? Or even 14 teams, 2 x groups of 7. Fethard, Oulart, etc would be more than a match for any senior team. Or is the do or die nature of 12 its strength?" Nope 12 teams is perfect five weeks for group games and three weeks for knock out games.
14 teams two groups of seven, makes it 7 weeks of group games as one team would have a bye each week.
plus 3 knock out games extends the season by another two weeks unnecessarily.
Its been far more competitive since it went to 12 teams. When it had 16 teams it had far too many miss matches for no reason.
Our intermediate and intermediate A competitions are far more competitive too, with this year going to be an exception for intermediate as Oulart got relegated by default as there should been relegation in 2020 instead of allowing everyone a season off with relegation due to Covid. There is far more players unavailable to clubs this year than in 2020 due to everyone getting on with life and traveling all over the place this summer.
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Replying To Viking66: "1st game back WEX98. Don't read too much into it. You were beaten by Bunclody last year and we beat them. And then you hammered us." Shelmaliers next, then The Martins.......
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 29/06/2022 18:31:08
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Replying To WEX98: "Shelmaliers next, then The Martins......." Shels will be tough ok. When I'm making my predictions l be tipping them. Sorry about that! Martins still don't seem right. Rory will be missing or not fully fit if he plays. Think you have a chance though you will be underdogs. Will Damien and Shane be fully fit for that?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11831 - 30/06/2022 10:25:17
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Nope 12 teams is perfect five weeks for group games and three weeks for knock out games.
14 teams two groups of seven, makes it 7 weeks of group games as one team would have a bye each week.
plus 3 knock out games extends the season by another two weeks unnecessarily.
Its been far more competitive since it went to 12 teams. When it had 16 teams it had far too many miss matches for no reason.
Our intermediate and intermediate A competitions are far more competitive too, with this year going to be an exception for intermediate as Oulart got relegated by default as there should been relegation in 2020 instead of allowing everyone a season off with relegation due to Covid. There is far more players unavailable to clubs this year than in 2020 due to everyone getting on with life and traveling all over the place this summer." Has it been far more competitive since it went to 12 or has it simply just coincided with the dominance of Oulart waning though?
I agree 14 teams would be a non runner but i see merit in increasing to 16 meaning 4 groups of 4. More players hurling at a higher level.
I suppose theres pros and cons for all scenarios really
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1336 - 30/06/2022 11:55:03
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A look ahead to this weekend's senior ties.
St.Anne's-Cloughbawn: I saw enough in Cloughbawn during the week to believe they'll be competitive across their remaining games. Whitty was obviously the stand-out, but they could probably get more out of Connal Flood and Harry and Colm Kehoe which is encouraging. Reading the report of the Anne's game, it seemed Mogie was the difference vs Crossabeg. I always seem to write off St.Anne's, but my eye-test has me swaying towards a vital win for Cloughbawn
Oylegate-Shelmaliers: Oylegate went down tame enough to Ferns in the end, with some observers here voicing concerns about the lack of a defined game-plan. Shels were made work for victory against a depleted St.Martin's side, but came good in the final quarter. They arguably have the strongest panel in the entire grade, compared to Oylegate who need all their big guns on the pitch at the same time (Shane Reck absent the last day). Can only see a Shels win here.
Rathnure-St.Martin's: the Martin Quigley derby one might say. I was disappointed in Rathnure mid-week, having felt they would give Rapps a good rattle. St.Martin's perhaps exceeded expectations given their own personnel absences, but will need ROC back ASAP if they are to have any chance of contention in the long-run. Hard one to call really as both have room for improvement, hesitant vote for Martin's to put Rathnure on the back-foot early on in a tough group.
Naomh Eanna-Glynn: I was impressed in Gorey when they got their shape right, and could possibly have the best starting 15 in the championship, especially with Gary Molloy and Cathal Dunbar still to come back in. I would assume David Clarke will be assigned Conor Mac after limiting Chin to just one point from play the last day, although O'Regan is almost certainly going to be in his vicinity at all times too. At the other end, Glynn will hope to feed enough ball into White, who was on fire the last day. Probably the most appealing match on paper of the weekend, but on the basis that Glynn are wildly inconsistent against the top teams, Naomh Eanna to nick it.
Crossabeg-Faythe Harriers: if I was disappointed at Rathnure's showing, I was aghast at the Harriers. It hasn't really clicked for them yet in spite of furnishing an All Star hurler in Chin with plenty of very talented youngsters. I wouldn't be surprised if Crossabeg raised their game against them too, Anne's found them hard to shake off, but I feel this is a must-win game more so for the Harriers (they have Gorey next) than Crossabeg, who may be eyeing up Cloughbawn as a veritable four-pointer next weekend. Harriers to win.
Ferns-Rapps: potentially a humdinger between two sides in different districts but geographical rivals all the same. On paper, Ferns have as good a fifteen as anyone, Morris is revitalised after his injury troubles, and the likes of Byrne-Dunbar and Diarmuid Doyle add a bit of class up there too. Kevin Foley was probably the player of the midweek games, and Rapps have their set-up learned off like a fine art at this stage. I just think it's about time Ferns went and won a game against a contender, no better time than now.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1416 - 30/06/2022 13:15:09
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Replying To tearintom: "Has it been far more competitive since it went to 12 or has it simply just coincided with the dominance of Oulart waning though?
I agree 14 teams would be a non runner but i see merit in increasing to 16 meaning 4 groups of 4. More players hurling at a higher level.
I suppose theres pros and cons for all scenarios really" I would concur with that, four groups of four and I would imagine Bunclody (before this year as they have lost players to traveling), Oulart, Fethard and maybe one other would be more than capable of holding there own in Senior. Also at least you wouldn't be playing the same teams every year and would bring a bit of novelty to matches.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 30/06/2022 13:26:30
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Right predictions for the weekend
Senior Hurling
St. Annes v Cloughbawn
Annes put in a strong finish to defeat a difficult Ballymurn side, relying on a unusually quiet Dee to see them through. Cloughbawn put it up to Gorey for long periods until the switch of McDonald changed the game, I still think they will have just enough to see off a Cloughabwn side but I do not see much between the teams. ANNES WIN.
Oylegate v Shelmaliers
Oylegate never really threatened to defeat Ferns last weekend with Ferns deploying tow men on Podge which seem to stop them. Shels were above average for how they can play but again like other teams expect them to improve as they go along. SHELS TO WIN.
Rathnure v St. Martins
The Blackstairs men were the biggest disappointment for me last weekend as I expected to see them carry on their league form, defeated easily. Expect to see a bit of a kick out of them but would thin the Martins should really still have enough for them even without their influential players. MARTIN WINS BY 3
Naomh Eanna v Glynn-Barntown
A very interesting tie, both got wins last weekend comfortably so I would imagine this will be a tight affair. I think it will be a tale for the two full forwards. If Glynn can hold off Mac they might get the win while if Gorey stop Ronan White, full forward for Glynn, Gorey should see it through. A hesitant Gorey win by 2 points.
Ballymurn v Faythe Harriers
Having watching Harriers last week, I though they were poor, short passing game broke down at many stages, feel they have the players to just play 15 on 15. Ballymurn put it up to the Annes and were unlucky not to get the win. I think there could be a bit of a surprise in this one, Ballymurn to win.
Rapparees v Ferns
Both got victories last week. Lot of question surrounding how Rapps would continue on this year and they looked impressive enough in their first outing, never under any pressure. Ferns beat Oylegate very confortably but i think the Rapps might have just too much for them, Rapps to get get a second win.
Intermediate
Askamore v Bunclody
Alot closer than it would if been in previous years due to the fact of the amount of players Bunclody are missing. I know askmaore defeated Adamstown in the first game, who I think were poor so i'm going for a hesitant Bunclody victory. BUNCLODY WIN
Fethard v Adamstown
Fethard struggled at times last weekend against newly promoted Tara Rocks but finished strongly, expect them to continue on and improve as the competition goes on, Adamstown only scored 12 points last weekend, think Fethard by 6. FETHARD WIN
Oulart The Ballagh v Taghmon-Camross
Oulart looked unstoppable last week against what must be said a very poor Ballygarrett side but should see off Taghmon who were very poor for periods again Blackwater last week. OULART WIN
Blackwater V St. James
The seaside men were very poor against Taghmon last week while St, James while bet by 10 points were impressive again a young Alley side. Blackwater to improve but the Ramsgrange men should pick up a first win. JAMES WIN by 6.
Ballygarrett v Buffers Alley
The newly promoted side already look like a team that will be fighted relegation albeit they will have played the two strongest teams in the group. Alley were impressive on Tuesday and play a nice brand of hurling, think they could be outsides for the championship. Expect them to win confortably here. ALLEY TO WIN BY 8
Tara Rocks v Gusserane
I think two evenly matched teams, Rocks were close to Fethard for most of the match while Gusserane bet a depleted Bunclody side. I think Gusserane will pick up their second victory,
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Replying To tearintom: "Has it been far more competitive since it went to 12 or has it simply just coincided with the dominance of Oulart waning though?
I agree 14 teams would be a non runner but i see merit in increasing to 16 meaning 4 groups of 4. More players hurling at a higher level.
I suppose theres pros and cons for all scenarios really" 16 teams in 4 groups of 4 was what I favoured for that very reason Tom. Unfortunately noone else on here at the time or that I know personally agreed with me!
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