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3. I see Tiernan Kelly's club Clann Éireann has issued a statement sticking up for him, which is fair enough. It doesn't deny what he said, saying "One moment does NOT define a man". But also says "The vilification of Tiernan on social media over the last few days has been both unjust and unfair." I don't think it's been either. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 29/06/2022 07:57:00 2428502 Link
4. The rules say you get sent off for contributing to a melee. I'd imagine that in the absence of a formal definition of a melee it can be left to the discretion of the referee. Like, when two lads start fighting, does the third man in make it a melee and make him the first contributor to it? And so what if the ref sends them all off for joining in? If it happened a lot more there'd be a lot less of this st. If two lads came to blows, it would be just them and then maybe a couple of peacemakers to defuse it who would be clear to everyone cos there wouldn't be 30 lads in there grabbing each other. What if the ref had sent off everyone who joined in the Galway-Armagh game? True, you might have very few players available for extra time. So what. Maybe such a spectacle, a GAA referee enforcing the GAA's rules following yet another result of the GAA turning a blind eye to an ongoing problem, might embarrass the GAA into finally grasping the nettle. Pity it didn't happen in the 1996 final. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim)** - Posts: 1029 - 29/06/2022 07:57:09 2428503 Link
Perspective is a word often used on these forums. But never was it more appropriate than in the context of the furore over the brawl. Where are people going with proposing 5 year bans? 99% of what on was Sunday , whilst it was unsavoury , was jostling, pushing and lot of it could be deemed handbags i.e. we dont want to see it , its not nice , but nobody was going to get hurt. There was one or two portions of the brawl where the risk of injury was a possible outcome . I'm sure the perpetrators regret this and if they serve a ban of 6 months or a year , then I think its a severe punishment enough . At 6 months they would miss they entire club sense .. a punishment fitting the crime. Any longer would be really just trying to make a scapegoat out of guys to appease the media or others on the so called high moral ground. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 29/06/2022 08:53:46 2428514 Link
Whatever about the fight at the end of game,none of it would of happened if the linesman and Ref had of made the free kick to equalise been taken from the correct position Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 147 - 29/06/2022 09:12:34 2428517 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "First of all regarding Armagh and the perception of them instigating melees, We have played this Armagh outfit as much as anyone if not more in recent years, and I have seen no issues in that regard. They do however have an all for one, one for all ethic engrained in them, with their current management team you would expect little else. This can be a good thing, but must be in a more controlled manner. For me this is an issue for their management going forward , full stop. Regarding sanctions, it goes without saying the eye gouging incident needs to be dealt with in isolation as it is a new departure tbat must be nipped in the bud straight away. The problem with imposing appropriate sanctions on each team is that they will not result in equitable sanctions, in that imposing bans on Armagh players is not the same as imposing bans on Galway players. There can be no doubt that a Galway player instigated the melee, it was plain for every fair minded person to see that he jumped on top of an Armagh player from behind leaving the pitch, this is not just a physical assault but is a degrading act. If sanctions are to be imposed as per the rules he is in trouble. That being the case Galway may have two very important players missing on either end of the pitch for the all ireland semi final at least. If Armagh have four or five banned, while it may be appropriate, it is not equitable The GAA have an issue here and now is the time to regulate sanctions more equitably. Let's say for example both teams were docked 2 league points for next year's league campaigns, that would be equitable, or that red cards be carried over to next year's championship. Just examples There is also the culture of pushing and imposing physicality on opponents rampant in the game. This is an issue for referees and no one else, the rules are there and are simply not implemented. If a player comes on the pitch and pushes, or is pushed by, an opponent that's a yellow card simple as, do it twice and you're off. I noticed during the warm ups on Sunday players actually practicing pushing each other so as to mentally and physically prepare themselves for the inevitable. Referees, apply the rules, its not up to you to keep players on the pitch, it's up to the players themselves and management. For example Monaghan played Dublin in the League this year and the referee refused to allow any pulling or dragging of players off the ball, early on, Players knew early they weren't going to get away with it. One of the best forward displays this year was witnessed by those attending that day because of the contribution of that referee, I have no doubt on that. Apply the rules and property regulate sanctions and our games are still the best in the world Thats all I'm going to say about that" How you can say that a Galway player instigated that by jumping on an Armagh player leaving the pitch is just beyond me. That is 100% not what happened. galwayman2 (Galway) - Posts: 1236 - 29/06/2022 09:30:20 2428518 Link
This might be way off but I wonder is the rise in popularity of MMA over the last decade or so a factor? Lots of young lads I know are mad into it. If there is there is one place they can try out a few moves without fear of arrest or sanction it's on a GAA pitch seemingly. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 29/06/2022 09:35:58 2428520 Link
Replying To Orchardgael22: "I think you've glazed over the part where I absolutely called TK out over the incident and also suggested he should personally apologise to Comer. I I'm not quite sure how you have interpreted that as not "calling out the obvious and accepting reponsibility", but nonetheless. We are talking about a broader issue here within the GAA and I think I'm entitled to draw on other examples this year where people have been involved in melees and suffered injuries as a consequence." Fair enough. Look there's not one person on this forum that hasn't said or done something in the heat of the moment that they later regretted. I'm sure he isn't a bad lad in general and I see that his club has rowed in behind him. He will undoubtedly receive a hefty ban and he'll just have to do his time. But my point about accepting reponsibility goes back to incidents earlier in the year. The Letterkenny melee was Armagh's second of 2022. But instead of putting the hands up they fought tooth and nail expoiting loopholes to get a reprieve for some of their key men. One of which was clearly seen boxing a Donegal player to the side of the head. Now, I'm not absolving Donegal from responsibility here either. It takes two to tango. In the aftermath it has emerged that an Armagh player suffered a serious injury to his eye socket. That is madness like. It should never happen. There's plenty of boxing and MMA clubs up and down the country if that's your thing. To conclude, if proper lengthy bans had been dished out after Letterkenny - to BOTH teams, then the possibility of another melee in 2022 would be greatly diminished. You can blame the GAA's process for that certainly, but a bit of self awareness and responsibilty needs to be factored in as well. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 29/06/2022 09:57:31 2428522 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "There was clear footage on one of the news programmes last night to concur with what I am referring to I'm afraid, not shown on Sunday. not a witch hunt or anything" We're waiting for an acknowledgement that you were completely wrong in your assumptions of a Galway player starting the melee by jumping on a Armagh players back.. Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 29/06/2022 10:08:45 2428527 Link
Replying To Mayonman: "I've watched it about 20 times. The person jumping on the Arnagh player on the pitch at approx Armagh 45 line in middle of pitch is wearing a blue Jersey (Armagh keeper) and is clearly celebrating the equaliser. That is not Comer and if it was I presume the row would have happened there and not in the sideline." Interesting that people got confused with the colours. Once or twice watching the game i got confused for a split second and thought Ethan Rafferty was a Galway player. Side by side the colours are nothing similar but at an initial glance. I dont think it any way confused any of the Galway players but i do think with the evolution of the fly-goalie the colour of jersey used may need to be considered. What's wrong with the keeper wearing the same coloured jersey? As far as I know the only rationale is that the goalie is allowed touch the ball on the ground in the small square and a simple rule change to allow any defending player touch the ball on the ground in the small square would resolve this without compromising any of the basics. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 29/06/2022 10:21:28 2428533 Link
Replying To ponger: "Inclined to agree with a lot you are saying. The one thing i take issue with is this notion that its a society thing. In the same breath it was mentioned that some northern teams have grown up this way and some say its a toughness thing that's brought to the field. In solving any problem there is an important part to understand the causes but i think these sort of excuses are pure and utter red herrings. As some examples, take American football, boxing and even Rugby. Different societies across these sports with different upbringings take part and while they manage to kick the crap out of each other on the field (ring), they manage to leave it on the field and the utter respect that's shown in general at the end of these sports is to be admired. So why cant we have the same levels of respect. The reason is quite simple in that its accepted for far too long where aggression (vital part of our game) goes uncontrolled. This is effectively bringing the sport into disrepute... How far away were we from Comer loosing an eye and the Armagh lad subsequently taking a punch and ending up with a bleed on the brain. Some may think far fetched but all just a symptom of the problem" How far were we from Comer losing an eye? well statistically very far, I can't find any case of "eye gouging" on a sports field resulting in loss of sight/eye. The fact that it is highly unlikely to have the awful consequences you suggest in no way condones the action, it should be dealt with severely. A punch leading to a brain haemorrhage, more likely but still statistically very unlikely. Regarding Rugby, and I am a big fan of the game, I would have to admit when it comes to eye-gouging rugby without doubt leads the way with incidences of this despicable act. Certainly leaving the field incidents seem to be more common in GAA. Most players leave the field quickly and quietly but many of these incidents seem to be ignited by the one wound up individual who can't pass an opponent on the way off without giving him a "dunt" in the back and it all takes off from there. While the player who messes with an opponent's eye area and anyone who strikes with a closed fist or a boot in a melee should be severely dealt with, surely the sly one who starts it all should take strong medicine too. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 29/06/2022 10:35:19 2428542 Link
Replying To WeGoAgain: "Long time lurker but not one for posting. But reading a few bits of misinformation floating about I thought I'd add my twopence. Mackin injured his eye socket in a training ground incident. I think it was Aaron Kernan I heard on a podcast describe it as a freak accident. Absolutely nothing to do with Letterkenny whatsoever." This is incorrect - The Irish News on 27 may 2022 had an article about him missing the game with the following quote "The 23-year-old from the Shane O'Neill's club in Camlough was sidelined after his right eye was damaged in an off-the-ball incident in the aftermath of Armagh's round seven Division One loss against Donegal in Letterkenny. A second surgery on the injury was successful but Mackin will play no further part in Armagh's Championship campaign which continues on June 5 with an All-Ireland Qualifier against Tyrone." Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 29/06/2022 10:42:36 2428546 Link
Fining the Armagh Co Board is a waste of time. Some chap will just foot the bill and nothing will be learned. It has to hit the whole county that their behaviour was. Shocking. That's why I say lose home advantage for 3 years in League and championship eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1649 - 29/06/2022 10:50:23 2428554 Link
There's now a photo on social media showing what happened during the 56 minute of the game... This stuff is getting far too analysed, time to let the GAA deal with all these things and move on. Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 29/06/2022 10:53:15 2428555 Link
Replying To Tom1916: "There's now a photo on social media showing what happened during the 56 minute of the game... This stuff is getting far too analysed, time to let the GAA deal with all these things and move on." TK was a big man in the incident with Comer. Now he's getting flack for it on Social media. Well he needs to be a bigger man and take the flack and the punishment that might go with it. Whatever suspension he gets should not be allowed to appeal. The rest of the sh@@e was handbags stuff. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 29/06/2022 11:30:44 2428565 Link
Replying To Fkd12: "Whatever about the fight at the end of game,none of it would of happened if the linesman and Ref had of made the free kick to equalise been taken from the correct position" True, I think Rian moved ball in two strips of grass which is about 12 yards. Yet ref made Morgan move ball back a foot last year v Kerry and he was miles from goal. Said it before all forwards get away stealing yards wether it be yards closer to goal or opening up angle of shot closer in. Time for the shaving foam. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 29/06/2022 12:01:58 2428576 Link
Replying To Tom1916: "This is incorrect - The Irish News on 27 may 2022 had an article about him missing the game with the following quote "The 23-year-old from the Shane O'Neill's club in Camlough was sidelined after his right eye was damaged in an off-the-ball incident in the aftermath of Armagh's round seven Division One loss against Donegal in Letterkenny. A second surgery on the injury was successful but Mackin will play no further part in Armagh's Championship campaign which continues on June 5 with an All-Ireland Qualifier against Tyrone."" Well I don't know who is right and who is wrong so. Aaron Kernan said on a podcast with Colm Parkinson that Mackin would not play in the Ballybofey game against Donegal because he was injured in training when attempting to block a ball. He clearly got this information from within the squad. The only thing he was unsure of was whether or not Mackin appealed his suspension or didn't bother because he was injured anyway. WeGoAgain (Donegal) - Posts: 32 - 29/06/2022 12:15:52 2428582 Link
Replying To Tom1916: "There's now a photo on social media showing what happened during the 56 minute of the game... This stuff is getting far too analysed, time to let the GAA deal with all these things and move on." You would love that. Nothing to see here kind of stuff. I didn't find anything offensive during the row but the gouging was a horrible act and needs to be dealt with. A proper ban with no recourse is the only way to deal with that. His club need to stop deflecting form the actions. If they aren't going to condemn the gouging say nothing at all. The hit off the ball on Walsh was a red card all day long. We need a citing committee. Lads need to know that if they get away with it during a game they will be citied. Thankfully football won out on Sunday in the end. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 29/06/2022 12:35:27 2428590 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "True, I think Rian moved ball in two strips of grass which is about 12 yards. Yet ref made Morgan move ball back a foot last year v Kerry and he was miles from goal. Said it before all forwards get away stealing yards wether it be yards closer to goal or opening up angle of shot closer in. Time for the shaving foam." I noticed the ball was moved in many yards closer to the goal also for O'Neill's equalizer and earlier in the second half Aidan Nugent moved his marked free in about 15 yards closer to the goal (when taking his kick) from the original position where he actually caught it! Surely that shouldn't be allowed in a game of such tight margins. tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3314 - 29/06/2022 12:36:35 2428591 Link
Replying To Tom1916: "This is incorrect - The Irish News on 27 may 2022 had an article about him missing the game with the following quote "The 23-year-old from the Shane O'Neill's club in Camlough was sidelined after his right eye was damaged in an off-the-ball incident in the aftermath of Armagh's round seven Division One loss against Donegal in Letterkenny. A second surgery on the injury was successful but Mackin will play no further part in Armagh's Championship campaign which continues on June 5 with an All-Ireland Qualifier against Tyrone."" I wouldn't take everything printed in a newspaper as gospel truth Tom, paper never refused ink as they say, I think I rem Aaron Kernan saying Mackin got that eye injury in a training game incident, I'd have to trawl back through the DL Debate podcasts on Highland Radio for it, anyway, it's like this if Armagh are going to continue with these 'melees' then they may expect some injuries from it, it's only by the grace of God that there wasn't a serious eye injury for Damien Comer the last day. I've seen a deterioration in how fans behave this year too, maybe it's just how society is going these days, there's a big thing in soccer I think it's the Champions league all about 'respect' we could learn that lesson. We all know Gaelic football is a physical game, but it has to be cleaned up, we have many problems at intercounty that need fixing from the structure of the Championship to discipline and image. Armagh are only letting themselves down by this carry on, there is no need for it. Look at the Galway team the last day, great sportsmanship and trying to play the game the right way, only to get dragged down by Armagh's attempt at hardman Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 29/06/2022 12:41:20 2428595 Link
Replying To WeGoAgain: " Replying To Tom1916: "This is incorrect - The Irish News on 27 may 2022 had an article about him missing the game with the following quote "The 23-year-old from the Shane O'Neill's club in Camlough was sidelined after his right eye was damaged in an off-the-ball incident in the aftermath of Armagh's round seven Division One loss against Donegal in Letterkenny. A second surgery on the injury was successful but Mackin will play no further part in Armagh's Championship campaign which continues on June 5 with an All-Ireland Qualifier against Tyrone."" Well I don't know who is right and who is wrong so. Aaron Kernan said on a podcast with Colm Parkinson that Mackin would not play in the Ballybofey game against Donegal because he was injured in training when attempting to block a ball. He clearly got this information from within the squad. The only thing he was unsure of was whether or not Mackin appealed his suspension or didn't bother because he was injured anyway." Have you a link to that podcast? I thought I heard Kernan say something similar on the DL Debate on Highland Radio. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 29/06/2022 12:45:08 2428597 Link