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"CLARE duo Rory Hayes and Peter Duggan along with Galway's Cianan Fahy have all been cleared to play in this Saturday's All-Ireland SHC quarter-finals."

"Fahy's case was the first to be heard tonight, and it's understood the case against him was dropped after a "procedural" query was raised by Galway".

"The charges facing Hayes and Duggan were also thrown out by the CHC...Clare chairman Kieran Keating told Independent.ie that they were cleared because of "irregularities on the CCCC side in terms of how they proceeded with the disciplinary matter."

Central Competitions Control Committee. The CCCC is appointed by the GAA president for the duration of his term and it comprises a chairman, the four provincial secretaries and four other nominees, plus a secretary from within the Croke Park staff.

So a hugely important part of the GAA doesn't know to do their jobs. Jobs they get paid to do.
Will anybody be sacked or disciplined?
What a shambles, an absolute disgrace.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2774 - 16/06/2022 10:01:14    2425278

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""CLARE duo Rory Hayes and Peter Duggan along with Galway's Cianan Fahy have all been cleared to play in this Saturday's All-Ireland SHC quarter-finals."

"Fahy's case was the first to be heard tonight, and it's understood the case against him was dropped after a "procedural" query was raised by Galway".

"The charges facing Hayes and Duggan were also thrown out by the CHC...Clare chairman Kieran Keating told Independent.ie that they were cleared because of "irregularities on the CCCC side in terms of how they proceeded with the disciplinary matter."

Central Competitions Control Committee. The CCCC is appointed by the GAA president for the duration of his term and it comprises a chairman, the four provincial secretaries and four other nominees, plus a secretary from within the Croke Park staff.

So a hugely important part of the GAA doesn't know to do their jobs. Jobs they get paid to do.
Will anybody be sacked or disciplined?
What a shambles, an absolute disgrace."
And all because the meeting to decide on the suspensions was held online and therefore didn't constitute a meeting. You couldn't make this stuff up

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 16/06/2022 10:06:10    2425281

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Well if anybody is sacked or disciplined, they might as well appeal it to the DRA at least in the hope they get off......

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 16/06/2022 10:13:07    2425285

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Who gets paid? Provincial secretaries get paid separately, otherwise these are not paid positions. Agree that the system is shambolic

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2152 - 16/06/2022 10:17:54    2425289

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""CLARE duo Rory Hayes and Peter Duggan along with Galway's Cianan Fahy have all been cleared to play in this Saturday's All-Ireland SHC quarter-finals."

"Fahy's case was the first to be heard tonight, and it's understood the case against him was dropped after a "procedural" query was raised by Galway".

"The charges facing Hayes and Duggan were also thrown out by the CHC...Clare chairman Kieran Keating told Independent.ie that they were cleared because of "irregularities on the CCCC side in terms of how they proceeded with the disciplinary matter."

Central Competitions Control Committee. The CCCC is appointed by the GAA president for the duration of his term and it comprises a chairman, the four provincial secretaries and four other nominees, plus a secretary from within the Croke Park staff.

So a hugely important part of the GAA doesn't know to do their jobs. Jobs they get paid to do.
Will anybody be sacked or disciplined?
What a shambles, an absolute disgrace."
Yes a disgrace is right. The GAA are all about their "rules" and this has come back to bite them.

Make no mistake I believe the lads should be punished but the whole saga with the Sunday Game and the process and procedures used here to ban them was flawed from the get go. I am delighted the tables were turned against the GAA in this instance. They need to come out and explain what went wrong and also, we need more transparency around the disciplinary procedures in terms of what dictates a CCCC review.

What this saga has shown is mismanagement and a lack of transparency by the GAA and I am delighted they have been caught out. Fair play to Galway for bringing this matter to attention.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 16/06/2022 10:23:07    2425293

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Who gets paid? Provincial secretaries get paid separately, otherwise these are not paid positions. Agree that the system is shambolic"
But sure even managers don't get paid, what are you talking about people getting paid??????????????

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 16/06/2022 10:30:07    2425295

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""CLARE duo Rory Hayes and Peter Duggan along with Galway's Cianan Fahy have all been cleared to play in this Saturday's All-Ireland SHC quarter-finals."

"Fahy's case was the first to be heard tonight, and it's understood the case against him was dropped after a "procedural" query was raised by Galway".

"The charges facing Hayes and Duggan were also thrown out by the CHC...Clare chairman Kieran Keating told Independent.ie that they were cleared because of "irregularities on the CCCC side in terms of how they proceeded with the disciplinary matter."

Central Competitions Control Committee. The CCCC is appointed by the GAA president for the duration of his term and it comprises a chairman, the four provincial secretaries and four other nominees, plus a secretary from within the Croke Park staff.

So a hugely important part of the GAA doesn't know to do their jobs. Jobs they get paid to do.
Will anybody be sacked or disciplined?
What a shambles, an absolute disgrace."
Sean Foley was suspended for a full six months, back in '81, for what may have an accidental blow of a hurley to the face of PJ Molloy. Now players who stamp on or clearly strike other players with a hurley cannot be suspended for a single game.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 16/06/2022 10:35:14    2425297

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One of our club men was on it, Even he admitted it was ridiculous. Lads turning up with Senior Counsel (not getting paid just there to catch them out on Rules of Evidence etc.)

Hard to think of even 3/4 that have been upheld in a long time.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3526 - 16/06/2022 10:54:49    2425303

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It'd be comical if it wasn't so serious.

Those sort of meetings were allowed to be held online under the emergency powers that were brought in to cover the lockdown periods. But now those powers have expired.

This was possibly the first such meeting that they've had to hold since the powers expired, and so they went ahead and did what they've been doing for the past couple of years, without it occurring to anybody that they're not actually allowed to hold these meetings online any more. So you can probably see how it probably happened, but still......

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 16/06/2022 10:59:09    2425305

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Look, everyone who loves open, traditional hurling was absolutely delighted with the wonderful game Clare and Limerick was, clapping John Keenans back for refereeing it his way. The rulebook on the day was shredded in the referees dressing room before the game. This doesn't give players the permission to bring the game into disrepute by using their hurleys to strike someone off the ball, or the foot to stamp on someone, and if you get caught take your punishment and move on. Trial by video analysis happens all the time in other sports all over the world so don't be blaming RTE for it. You would wonder if Flanagan, Finn or Reid ended up on stretchers and spent days in hospital, with spinal/neck or knee injuries would the dialogue be different and would the wonderful county boards of Galway and Clare have found a loophole.

hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 16/06/2022 11:03:25    2425310

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Absolutely shambolic and sends out all the wrong signals on every level.

1) i cant understand why after 2 years of online meetings accross the GAA why this is now deemed to be a procedural issue for this meeting to have been held online. - im sure its not the first CCCC meeting held oline.
2) if the CCCC wasnt properly held well call another meeting face to face and redo the process.
3) Where is the moral Code and sens of fair play or is that gone for ever. From what i saw at the weekend all of these acts were all pretty clear cut and indefensible. fair minded people should accept fair consequences for their actions.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 16/06/2022 11:05:16    2425312

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From what I understand it's the fact the meeting took place on line..whee does it leave everything that was decided in last two years without any in person meetings??it was almost totally on line..pure and utter bull....looking forward to the next incident in the coming weeks..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2510 - 16/06/2022 11:26:23    2425321

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What you sow is what you reap. Utter skullduggery that should have consequences.

Complete cop out from CCC but to pedal out zoom as excuse, truly shameful and embarrassing.

Give respect show respect how are ye!

Stripsandbanners (Galway) - Posts: 82 - 16/06/2022 11:31:44    2425325

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Galway county board official must have served his/her apprenticeship under frank murphy to spot the infraction. Lol. Anyway it'll be sweeter to hopefully beat a full strength Clare team

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 16/06/2022 11:33:29    2425327

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I can imagine how meetings like this online went, given the age of many involved and my experience of remote working for 2 years with poor enough broadband:
"I can't connect"
"Your on mute"
"I can't see the screen share"
"My internet is down"
"Sorry, the internet dropped. What did I miss?"
"Vote carried, 2 to 0 due to nobody else being on the call, player cleared".

Good old GAA, it'll take a serious serious injury to clean up its act. Or will it even then?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 16/06/2022 11:47:06    2425334

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Replying To indaknownow:  "Absolutely shambolic and sends out all the wrong signals on every level.

1) i cant understand why after 2 years of online meetings accross the GAA why this is now deemed to be a procedural issue for this meeting to have been held online. - im sure its not the first CCCC meeting held oline.
2) if the CCCC wasnt properly held well call another meeting face to face and redo the process.
3) Where is the moral Code and sens of fair play or is that gone for ever. From what i saw at the weekend all of these acts were all pretty clear cut and indefensible. fair minded people should accept fair consequences for their actions."
Fair minded doesn't come in to it once the legal suits arrive. No more than any criminal case, they are seeking a technicality somewhere, somehow to get their client off.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 16/06/2022 11:48:40    2425335

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""CLARE duo Rory Hayes and Peter Duggan along with Galway's Cianan Fahy have all been cleared to play in this Saturday's All-Ireland SHC quarter-finals."

"Fahy's case was the first to be heard tonight, and it's understood the case against him was dropped after a "procedural" query was raised by Galway".

"The charges facing Hayes and Duggan were also thrown out by the CHC...Clare chairman Kieran Keating told Independent.ie that they were cleared because of "irregularities on the CCCC side in terms of how they proceeded with the disciplinary matter."

Central Competitions Control Committee. The CCCC is appointed by the GAA president for the duration of his term and it comprises a chairman, the four provincial secretaries and four other nominees, plus a secretary from within the Croke Park staff.

So a hugely important part of the GAA doesn't know to do their jobs. Jobs they get paid to do.
Will anybody be sacked or disciplined?
What a shambles, an absolute disgrace."
Sean Foley was suspended for a full six months, back in '81, for what may have an accidental blow of a hurley to the face of PJ Molloy. Now players who stamp on or clearly strike other players with a hurley cannot be suspended for a single game."
And PJ was fit and able to play in the replay two weeks later ....

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 16/06/2022 11:59:03    2425337

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Replying To indaknownow:  "Absolutely shambolic and sends out all the wrong signals on every level.

1) i cant understand why after 2 years of online meetings accross the GAA why this is now deemed to be a procedural issue for this meeting to have been held online. - im sure its not the first CCCC meeting held oline.
2) if the CCCC wasnt properly held well call another meeting face to face and redo the process.
3) Where is the moral Code and sens of fair play or is that gone for ever. From what i saw at the weekend all of these acts were all pretty clear cut and indefensible. fair minded people should accept fair consequences for their actions."
On your point 2, i'm sure their own procedures require this to be completed within a timeframe, a timeframe that had lapsed because it was not legitimately held when they thought it was held. Apparently the issue is with regards to the original "meeting" that offered the ban, not last nights appeal. It is now likely to be too late to go back and restart this.

No county would have accepted those bans if they GAA did not follow their own rules in implementing the bans so regardless of what you think about "fair minded" people, every county will try and get decisions like this overturned. The GAA love quoting rule this rule that!!!

From a Clare perspective I have and had no problems with the lads being banned but I had a problem with the lack of transparency around the process and it is this lack of transparency that has led to the fingers being pointed at the Sunday Game rightly or wrongly. Its amazing to think that no one from the GAA came out to clarify the process here if only to take the heat off the Sunday Game if in fact there was no collusion. The silence is telling in my opinion that all is not right and as a result I am delighted the GAA coped one in this instance by breaking their own rules.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 16/06/2022 12:16:46    2425345

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The entire disciplinary process within GAA is in tatters after this. I'm not bothered about whether the players get to play or not. That's not the overall point albeit very relevant for the individual counties playing the quarter finals this weekend. The key issue here is the transparency and competency of the disciplinary process within the game.

If someone commits a heinous offence that's not picked up by officials this weekend - how will that get treated after this debacle?

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 16/06/2022 12:33:00    2425356

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Galway county board official must have served his/her apprenticeship under frank murphy to spot the infraction. Lol. Anyway it'll be sweeter to hopefully beat a full strength Clare team"
By the same token imagine the uproar if Duggan scores a point to win it in injury time hahaha

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 16/06/2022 12:44:38    2425360

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