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Mayo Vs Kerry

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So what do we think the match ups will be? Will it be a tight game? Are Mayo as poor as their recent showings suggest?

Haven't been watching much football outside of Mayo myself. Did Kerry have a full strength line-up for the league final? Looking for a bit of hope for the match

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 15/06/2022 10:33:03    2425090

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If you believe Pat Spillane it will be no Contest, Kerry by 20 pulling up. I dont believe Spillane do you ?.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 405 - 15/06/2022 19:39:43    2425242

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This is exactly the type of game Mayo have performed in for the last 10+ years when everyone says otherwise. If it was a final it might be a different story. It's not a final so I think Mayo to do a number on Kerry here.

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 16/06/2022 20:32:31    2425511

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "This is exactly the type of game Mayo have performed in for the last 10+ years when everyone says otherwise. If it was a final it might be a different story. It's not a final so I think Mayo to do a number on Kerry here."
Between 2012 and 2019, Mayo had a better team than Kerry and were the only ones who really put it up to Dublin, bar 2014.
In that time, Mayo beat Kerry in the league regularly but only beat Kerry once in a championship match.
They lost 1 (2014 replay), drew 2 (2014 and 2017) and won one 2017.

That was Mayo's best team for 70 years and they still won less all irelands than Kerry (and some would say that was Kerrys worst decade ever).

Now we are back to the status quo, where Mayo are still a good team but Kerry look to have another top quality set of players who could win 4-5 of the the next 10 all Irelands.

It will take an outrageous performance from Mayo, which will be despite their current form, not as a result of it.
Something like Dublin in 85 (first match), Kerry in 96, Tyrone in 04, Cork in 2011, Dublin in 15 (first match), Kerry in 17 (first match), Donegal in 19, Dublin in 2021 - oh wait there is a bit of trend here!!!

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 17/06/2022 10:00:40    2425545

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Between 2012 and 2019, Mayo had a better team than Kerry and were the only ones who really put it up to Dublin, bar 2014.
In that time, Mayo beat Kerry in the league regularly but only beat Kerry once in a championship match.
They lost 1 (2014 replay), drew 2 (2014 and 2017) and won one 2017.

That was Mayo's best team for 70 years and they still won less all irelands than Kerry (and some would say that was Kerrys worst decade ever).

Now we are back to the status quo, where Mayo are still a good team but Kerry look to have another top quality set of players who could win 4-5 of the the next 10 all Irelands.

It will take an outrageous performance from Mayo, which will be despite their current form, not as a result of it.
Something like Dublin in 85 (first match), Kerry in 96, Tyrone in 04, Cork in 2011, Dublin in 15 (first match), Kerry in 17 (first match), Donegal in 19, Dublin in 2021 - oh wait there is a bit of trend here!!!"
I think Mayo have a great chance , leave the silly propaganda aside that RTE and media spin about kerry and their three legged players !!

Mark David Clifford and your 90% the way there !

Look this is practically the same team that lost to Tyrone all jack O Connor has done has got them playing puke football as there famous son called it once !!

What is the purpose of blanket defence football ?
Its purpose is to protect poor defenders that can't man there positions on their own .

Kerry are very poor defensively , poor individual defenders and mayo with strong running like Tyrone can make hay ..

There forwards have been about the block aswell OBrien , Geaney , there other new lads are overrated the other clifford on the forty went missing against tyrone and take frees away from sean o shea and you don't get much output .

There midfield is weak still sending SOS calls to Moran to save them .

Mayo can we win and win well

red.hugh (Donegal) - Posts: 175 - 17/06/2022 10:51:20    2425570

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It's hard to know with Kerry they are coming into this a bit cold, if Mayo play the way they did against Kildare it will be over as a contest before half time,
it all depends if Mayo get a good start and take their chances it could turn out to be close but on form and with Clifford on board you'd have to fancy Kerry to win it. I think Galway v Armagh will be the game of the weekend though.
Kerry by 4.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 17/06/2022 11:20:53    2425582

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For sheer novelty sake, it will be interesting to see a Kerry team, equipped with probably the best underage footballer who ever lived (and has the potential to be the best forward at senior too), come out with a double sweeper to play a Mayo team who haven't won an all Ireland in 70 years and have no forwards of note.

If Kerry were all that, they shouldn't need a double sweeper to play Mayo. The reality is Kerry obviously think their own defence is there for the taking.
For the past few years Kerry have been susceptible to any team who ran at them with pace. The double sweeper is designed to block up that avenue.
However, if Mayo play O shea at FF (and kick the odd good ball in), then at least one sweeper will have to sit deep, leaving gaps between the 45 and 21 for Mayo's runners to get in and open Kerry up for easy point chances.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 17/06/2022 14:06:32    2425635

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Yeah, I'd play Aidan O'Shea at FF, have him out for the throw in but after that leave him in around the square and kick it in high to him, he hasn't the speed of mind or body to play out where he does, he just slows the whole attack up and never seems to want to score.
I don't think Kerry are all that either, whoever comes through this will likely meet a ravenous Dublin in the semi-final,
wouldn't it be just like Mayo to beat Kerry and lose to Dublin? there's always one big performance in them.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 18/06/2022 10:19:44    2425709

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Yeah, I'd play Aidan O'Shea at FF, have him out for the throw in but after that leave him in around the square and kick it in high to him, he hasn't the speed of mind or body to play out where he does, he just slows the whole attack up and never seems to want to score.
I don't think Kerry are all that either, whoever comes through this will likely meet a ravenous Dublin in the semi-final,
wouldn't it be just like Mayo to beat Kerry and lose to Dublin? there's always one big performance in them."
It would be more like us to beat Kerry and Dublin and then lose the final to Clare.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 18/06/2022 14:14:40    2425760

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"Kerry look to have another top quality set of players who could win 4-5 of the the next 10 all Irelands"

They in no way look like that to me and I'd wait to see are they good enough to win 1 All-Ireland before jumping to that conclusion.

Mayo will no doubt in mind test Kerrys true worth. The four week lay off will be no way helpful either and remember for 50 minutes a pretty average Cork was holding their own against them, Cork simply hadn't the conditioning to keep it going for 70 minutes that will be no issue for Mayo.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 18/06/2022 15:03:49    2425772

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Yeah, I'd play Aidan O'Shea at FF, have him out for the throw in but after that leave him in around the square and kick it in high to him, he hasn't the speed of mind or body to play out where he does, he just slows the whole attack up and never seems to want to score.
I don't think Kerry are all that either, whoever comes through this will likely meet a ravenous Dublin in the semi-final,
wouldn't it be just like Mayo to beat Kerry and lose to Dublin? there's always one big performance in them."
Don't see the point of Aidan at full forward. He just has no confidence shooting these days. Keep him as a midfield sub for the second half.

Jack Carney is brilliant in the air (won both throw ins last week over Kevin Feely) and is well able to score when in form. He should be left as the focal point at full forward. None of the Kerry backs would beat him to a high ball and if they drop back a sweeper it could mean someone like Eoghan McLaughlin having a free role.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 18/06/2022 15:20:22    2425779

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Mayo to win by two points.
'Hup the West!

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 18/06/2022 15:46:16    2425795

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If Jordan Flynn is fit I'd hold AOS on the bench and release him in the 2nd half. No word on the fitness of Ryan O Donoughue yet…

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 18/06/2022 15:53:43    2425798

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Replying To yew_tree:  "If Jordan Flynn is fit I'd hold AOS on the bench and release him in the 2nd half. No word on the fitness of Ryan O Donoughue yet…"
groin strains heal on their own in about 4-8 weeks when did Ryan O'Donoghue get that injury is the question.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 18/06/2022 16:04:15    2425803

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There's always a big game in mayo. Maybe this is the one

Gumball (Donegal) - Posts: 34 - 18/06/2022 17:19:57    2425831

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Yeah, I'd play Aidan O'Shea at FF, have him out for the throw in but after that leave him in around the square and kick it in high to him, he hasn't the speed of mind or body to play out where he does, he just slows the whole attack up and never seems to want to score.
I don't think Kerry are all that either, whoever comes through this will likely meet a ravenous Dublin in the semi-final,
wouldn't it be just like Mayo to beat Kerry and lose to Dublin? there's always one big performance in them."
If we could kick ball into anyone in the forward line it'd be a good start to being less predictable. I wouldn't put Aidan in there though. Not enough of an intercounty scoring threat. Jack O'connor would be all over that plan. Quick ball into Cillian, Jack Carney and Ryan, James, Carr or other option is a better option. Leave Aidan on the bench, was good when subbed in earlier in the year. Hopefully Mattie Ruane's form and influence improves. And hopefully there's more to tactics than running half backs, winning a few frees and not making changes until it's too late.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 18/06/2022 17:20:06    2425832

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "If we could kick ball into anyone in the forward line it'd be a good start to being less predictable. I wouldn't put Aidan in there though. Not enough of an intercounty scoring threat. Jack O'connor would be all over that plan. Quick ball into Cillian, Jack Carney and Ryan, James, Carr or other option is a better option. Leave Aidan on the bench, was good when subbed in earlier in the year. Hopefully Mattie Ruane's form and influence improves. And hopefully there's more to tactics than running half backs, winning a few frees and not making changes until it's too late."
Carney may be the solution but it's the style of play that prohibits it at present.
We have a team of runners but we need at least 2 lads in the middle 8 who can kick the ball in accurately and first time.

At the moment every single middle 8 player looks to run first and then looks for a kick pass when there is nowhere to run to.
The best kevin passes will always be done before a solo run - not after it.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 19/06/2022 10:15:55    2425985

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Fact that Mayo fans are going into this match with vague hope rather than expectation against an unproven Kerry team illustrates the faith that that dwindled in Horan and this current crop since last years final defeat against an Ok-ish Tyrone team..

That league final defeat has given the fans and players some mental scars, but the only difference is that the players are actively looking to recover from it , while the fans are still in denial over the importance of that fixture, choosing instead to overhype Kerry ,or blame avoidable injuries in case another hammering takes place on Sunday.

An All-Ireland title can never reach Mayo until some of the fans and established media stop letting managers and players off the hook whenever scrutiny is warranted..

Vish (USA) - Posts: 88 - 19/06/2022 17:55:38    2426136

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only two outcomes to this match, Kerry by 15 plus or Mayo after a struggle by1 point

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 405 - 19/06/2022 20:12:37    2426172

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Whoever wins around the mid 8 has a massive advantage. If Mayo have the ball Kerry can't score.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 649 - 19/06/2022 20:45:27    2426190

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