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Is there any poster out there who believes that the manager of the Co team is the best equipt for the role and back him 100%.
I ask that question because the vile that is getting posted on line nowadays is shocking.
Roscommon fans can't wait to get rid of their manager even though he won a Div 2 title with them.
Leitrim are basically saying that they will give Andy Moran one more chance !!!?
My own county Sligo have the knives out for Mc Entee
Galway in the past ran Kevin Walsh and are very undecided on P.J even though he landed a Connacht title.
Kerry dumped Peter Keane.
We won't mention Meath.
Banty in Monaghan.
Bonnar in Donegal won't see Christmas if the faceless people have their say.
Mayo will shaft Horan as soon as they lose the next game because contrary to their expectations they won't land the All Ireland.
Dessie Farrell??????
That's why Clare winning last night was so refreshing. Colm Collins in his eightt year. Fantastic to see him lasting that long with a team of talent but mostly hard grafters.The list is endless.
Cody is the exception. He must be in the job since around the turn of the century and basically he is left alone.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1660 - 12/06/2022 09:19:15
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A few points:
1. Twitter or online forums aren't representative of most of society. The controversial voices are more often going to be the ones making the most noise.
2. Social media is a cesspit of negativity and nonsense. Ignore it.
3. There are strange people in the world. People who go as far writing abusive letters and posting them to managers' homes. Again, these people are an extreme minority thankfully.
4. Some of the examples you have given aren't true. Kevin Walsh wasn't run out of Galway. He had 5 years as a manager and made significant progress. He took us from a very low ebb and brought some respectability back to the senior football team. We did have some extremely poor results in that time, but the vast majority acknowledge that he left us in a much better place than when he took over. He's a massively respected legend of Galway football. Some of the eejits from points 1-3 went over the top I'm sure, but that's the world we live in unfortunately.
6. It is possible to be critical of a manager without it being unfair or personal. It would be patronising not to criticise a poor performance. It's also natural for supporters to want change after a very disappointing outcome. That's human nature.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2045 - 12/06/2022 09:52:56
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Replying To eoinog: "Is there any poster out there who believes that the manager of the Co team is the best equipt for the role and back him 100%.
I ask that question because the vile that is getting posted on line nowadays is shocking.
Roscommon fans can't wait to get rid of their manager even though he won a Div 2 title with them.
Leitrim are basically saying that they will give Andy Moran one more chance !!!?
My own county Sligo have the knives out for Mc Entee
Galway in the past ran Kevin Walsh and are very undecided on P.J even though he landed a Connacht title.
Kerry dumped Peter Keane.
We won't mention Meath.
Banty in Monaghan.
Bonnar in Donegal won't see Christmas if the faceless people have their say.
Mayo will shaft Horan as soon as they lose the next game because contrary to their expectations they won't land the All Ireland.
Dessie Farrell??????
That's why Clare winning last night was so refreshing. Colm Collins in his eightt year. Fantastic to see him lasting that long with a team of talent but mostly hard grafters.The list is endless.
Cody is the exception. He must be in the job since around the turn of the century and basically he is left alone." In a lot of counties there is deep frustration with gaelic games in the county and the county team is seen as the face of a county. So some people feel that abusing the manager is a way of venting their anger; this makes no sense to me. The senior intercounty manager can only use the players that the clubs and county supply. If this supply is not up to scratch then what can the manager do. The GAA supporter is buying into short termism and that an overnight fix can be found to paper over internal cracks within the county. Sadly the media can contribute to this.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1912 - 12/06/2022 09:59:49
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Fans can be very odd when it comes to managers.
Anthony cunningham a few weeks ago won a Div 2 title and a Connacht title in 2019. Yet some "exports" will say he's not done a good job.
Andy Moran getting the Leitrim job was possiblebly odd given he'd little experience etc But do supporters think they should be willing Connacht titles with him? He's one season in and people want him gone.
Granted there are managers who stay on well beyond when they should this idea of a manager having to have success right away is a new thing. In a given season there's never more than three titles that a team can win league, provincial and All Ireland. So every one it's going to win titles yet some supporters think they should, even if they've little success in doing so.
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Your 100% right.
Even in my own County in Hurling Egan drew with Westmeath and posters nearly wanted him to step down, one week later beat KK and they want to build a statue.
The Football manager is young and building a young team but the comments were so negative during the league that the Football page got closed down.
I was at the KK v Galway game and a Galway supporter after the game shout "this wouldn't of happened if we had Davy" so that doesn't read well for King Henry.
Crazy carry on and I don't have the answer why??.
Aspect24 (Wexford) - Posts: 9 - 12/06/2022 10:30:35
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Replying To eoinog: "Is there any poster out there who believes that the manager of the Co team is the best equipt for the role and back him 100%.
I ask that question because the vile that is getting posted on line nowadays is shocking.
Roscommon fans can't wait to get rid of their manager even though he won a Div 2 title with them.
Leitrim are basically saying that they will give Andy Moran one more chance !!!?
My own county Sligo have the knives out for Mc Entee
Galway in the past ran Kevin Walsh and are very undecided on P.J even though he landed a Connacht title.
Kerry dumped Peter Keane.
We won't mention Meath.
Banty in Monaghan.
Bonnar in Donegal won't see Christmas if the faceless people have their say.
Mayo will shaft Horan as soon as they lose the next game because contrary to their expectations they won't land the All Ireland.
Dessie Farrell??????
That's why Clare winning last night was so refreshing. Colm Collins in his eightt year. Fantastic to see him lasting that long with a team of talent but mostly hard grafters.The list is endless.
Cody is the exception. He must be in the job since around the turn of the century and basically he is left alone." I wouldn't swap Mickey Graham for any other manager at club or county level right now.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 12/06/2022 10:32:37
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Managers get blamed for poor player decisions and form du jour. However, I think most good managers get plenty of chances to reach potential of their county. They should know when time is up also as they can make room for others who are chomping at the bit. There is never any justification for abusing any member of the GAA of course.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1670 - 12/06/2022 10:36:06
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Replying To eoinog: "Is there any poster out there who believes that the manager of the Co team is the best equipt for the role and back him 100%.
I ask that question because the vile that is getting posted on line nowadays is shocking.
Roscommon fans can't wait to get rid of their manager even though he won a Div 2 title with them.
Leitrim are basically saying that they will give Andy Moran one more chance !!!?
My own county Sligo have the knives out for Mc Entee
Galway in the past ran Kevin Walsh and are very undecided on P.J even though he landed a Connacht title.
Kerry dumped Peter Keane.
We won't mention Meath.
Banty in Monaghan.
Bonnar in Donegal won't see Christmas if the faceless people have their say.
Mayo will shaft Horan as soon as they lose the next game because contrary to their expectations they won't land the All Ireland.
Dessie Farrell??????
That's why Clare winning last night was so refreshing. Colm Collins in his eightt year. Fantastic to see him lasting that long with a team of talent but mostly hard grafters.The list is endless.
Cody is the exception. He must be in the job since around the turn of the century and basically he is left alone." Couldn't agree more, but this forum is not reflective of real supporters opinions. I have been going to Leitrim matches for 40 years. I don't know one genuine supporter that's doesn't think Andy Moran is doing a good job.
There are a few "supporters" here that clearly have their own agenda for whatever reason.
A lot of posters here have inflated opinions of where their county's should be.
Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 133 - 12/06/2022 10:46:55
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Personally feel that Roscommon have underachieved for a while now. They had a golden generation but wasted it on poor management teams. I can only imagine where a Mickey Harte or a jack O'connor type would have brought Roscommon over the last 10 years
97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 322 - 12/06/2022 11:02:48
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Some managers create that stick for their own back. Especially ones who tend to move around a bit! Supporters expect that they will be saviours and when they don't deliver quickly, then there is a clamour to get rid of them.
Counties that stick to their own generally avoid this. I doubt there will be much of a campaign to ditch Dessie if Dublin don't win the All Ireland. He has been there his whole life and most people are realistic.
Jack O'Connor will be interesting as Kerry have slipped into a bad habit of chopping and changing a lot, and if he doesn't get them over the line this year - especially if they go out to Dublin or Derry! - then I wouldn't be backing him to be there next year.
Horan is safe enough I would think unless there is internal revolt!
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2572 - 12/06/2022 11:15:10
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Replying To WanPintWin: "A few points:
1. Twitter or online forums aren't representative of most of society. The controversial voices are more often going to be the ones making the most noise.
2. Social media is a cesspit of negativity and nonsense. Ignore it.
3. There are strange people in the world. People who go as far writing abusive letters and posting them to managers' homes. Again, these people are an extreme minority thankfully.
4. Some of the examples you have given aren't true. Kevin Walsh wasn't run out of Galway. He had 5 years as a manager and made significant progress. He took us from a very low ebb and brought some respectability back to the senior football team. We did have some extremely poor results in that time, but the vast majority acknowledge that he left us in a much better place than when he took over. He's a massively respected legend of Galway football. Some of the eejits from points 1-3 went over the top I'm sure, but that's the world we live in unfortunately.
6. It is possible to be critical of a manager without it being unfair or personal. It would be patronising not to criticise a poor performance. It's also natural for supporters to want change after a very disappointing outcome. That's human nature." All great points WanPintWin. Unfortunately in 2022 too many businesses, employers, team sponsors and advertisers pay heed to social media stories and will back away from potential controversy. Talking about Kevin Walsh, I used to be a fan of Eamon O'Hara until his Sunday Game rant about Kevin Walsh when he was Sligo manager. He was entitled to his opinion but I don't think he should have used the Sunday Game to air that opinion as aggressively as he did.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7352 - 12/06/2022 12:20:59
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Replying To oneoff: "Fans can be very odd when it comes to managers.
Anthony cunningham a few weeks ago won a Div 2 title and a Connacht title in 2019. Yet some "exports" will say he's not done a good job.
Andy Moran getting the Leitrim job was possiblebly odd given he'd little experience etc But do supporters think they should be willing Connacht titles with him? He's one season in and people want him gone.
Granted there are managers who stay on well beyond when they should this idea of a manager having to have success right away is a new thing. In a given season there's never more than three titles that a team can win league, provincial and All Ireland. So every one it's going to win titles yet some supporters think they should, even if they've little success in doing so." The test for a gaa team is how they perform in the championship. Roscommon, under Anthony Cunningham, have won one match in the last three championships and that was against a Division 4 team who played most of the match with 14 players. We have some talented players who reached underage All Ireland Finals against the mighty Dubs. Roscommon are underachieving under Cunningham who should have gone after last year's championship which we exited at home in the Hyde with a dismal defensive display against Galway.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2169 - 12/06/2022 12:53:10
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In hurling we are obviously delighted with John Kiely. But in football Billy Lee has worked very hard to move Limerick forward. We got a hiding from Kerry but being realistic he has done a great job to get Limerick moving in the league and into a Munster Final. No knives in Limerick from what I see anyway.
slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/06/2022 13:13:16
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Replying To oneoff: "Fans can be very odd when it comes to managers.
Anthony cunningham a few weeks ago won a Div 2 title and a Connacht title in 2019. Yet some "exports" will say he's not done a good job.
Andy Moran getting the Leitrim job was possiblebly odd given he'd little experience etc But do supporters think they should be willing Connacht titles with him? He's one season in and people want him gone.
Granted there are managers who stay on well beyond when they should this idea of a manager having to have success right away is a new thing. In a given season there's never more than three titles that a team can win league, provincial and All Ireland. So every one it's going to win titles yet some supporters think they should, even if they've little success in doing so." I think Cunningham has done a good job but he's 5 years done and he's a top manager and decent person.. It's time for change tho In all areas
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1059 - 12/06/2022 13:23:03
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Replying To 97Cavans: "Personally feel that Roscommon have underachieved for a while now. They had a golden generation but wasted it on poor management teams. I can only imagine where a Mickey Harte or a jack O'connor type would have brought Roscommon over the last 10 years" Or maybe they are overrated? I keep hearing about the great Roscommon forwards but in the crunch games they never deliver. A Connacht title or two are great but you need to kick on at the business end of the championship.
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Replying To slayer: "In hurling we are obviously delighted with John Kiely. But in football Billy Lee has worked very hard to move Limerick forward. We got a hiding from Kerry but being realistic he has done a great job to get Limerick moving in the league and into a Munster Final. No knives in Limerick from what I see anyway." All a Manager can do is maximise and get the best out of what he has and Billy Lee seems to be doing that with Limerick footballers. Our Manager is not nearly getting the best out of what's at his disposal and that's why change is needed in Roscommon.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2169 - 12/06/2022 13:30:31
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Replying To endgame: "The test for a gaa team is how they perform in the championship. Roscommon, under Anthony Cunningham, have won one match in the last three championships and that was against a Division 4 team who played most of the match with 14 players. We have some talented players who reached underage All Ireland Finals against the mighty Dubs. Roscommon are underachieving under Cunningham who should have gone after last year's championship which we exited at home in the Hyde with a dismal defensive display against Galway." But Roscommon have not performed at the business end of the championship for donkeys years. What is it 43 years since a championship win in Croke Park? I'm not having a go but I think some of ye rate the players ye have a bit too much. All the manager can't be wrong. That said Roscommon had that game won yesterday and handed to Clare on a plate.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 12/06/2022 13:38:47
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Slayer you are spot on..the 2 counties who have played and improved in the past few years are limerick and Clare..they don't have high profile individuals involved,the 2 managers are in to improve the teams..a lot of big counties have well know names but it doesn't work..think a lot of it is counties thinking they are actually better than they are..I'm looking forward to seeing limerick improve and hold their own in division 2 hopefully..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2224 - 12/06/2022 13:45:31
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Replying To Aspect24: "Your 100% right.
Even in my own County in Hurling Egan drew with Westmeath and posters nearly wanted him to step down, one week later beat KK and they want to build a statue.
The Football manager is young and building a young team but the comments were so negative during the league that the Football page got closed down.
I was at the KK v Galway game and a Galway supporter after the game shout "this wouldn't of happened if we had Davy" so that doesn't read well for King Henry.
Crazy carry on and I don't have the answer why??." "I was at the KK v Galway game and a Galway supporter after the game shout "this wouldn't of happened if we had Davy" so that doesn't read well for King Henry".
I doubt Shefflin will be losing much sleep over what one supporter shouted at the end of that game.
The time to start judging Shefflin's managership of Galway will be at the end of next years AI Championship.
Unfortunately for Shefflin, if Galway lose next weekend, that's him and the county team finished for the rest of the year.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 12/06/2022 15:21:09
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""I was at the KK v Galway game and a Galway supporter after the game shout "this wouldn't of happened if we had Davy" so that doesn't read well for King Henry".
I doubt Shefflin will be losing much sleep over what one supporter shouted at the end of that game.
The time to start judging Shefflin's managership of Galway will be at the end of next years AI Championship.
Unfortunately for Shefflin, if Galway lose next weekend, that's him and the county team finished for the rest of the year." I suppose if that supporter was Vladimir Putin or something, you might have reservations, but other than that, I'm at a loss that you found it newsworthy at all.
Even Limerick will be finished relatively soon this summer, and they'll be collecting the McCarthy Cup in 2022. That's the reality of the newly concertinaed GAA season for intercounty sides in hurling and football. It's not any more relevant of an issue to Henry & the Galway hurlers, than it is to the other 31 counties in both codes. It's back to the clubs very soon for all, and that's the plan all along.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3439 - 12/06/2022 15:44:47
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