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Replying To ponger:  "I'd agree that the condensed season has probably forced the issue but personally i think its no way to finish the game.

How about after extra time...its whoever gets the next score.. some will say that the games will go on forever but it took a fair long time the other night to get the penalties organised and sorted out. I'm sure we'd have had at least one point from either of the teams in that time"
Can't do next score wins. As in club matches and certain inter county grounds the wind blows straight down the pitch. Some have a hill too.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 29/06/2022 07:43:01    2428499

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I'm not in favour of penalties either. But i just wonder , if the score the last day was 1-20 to 0-20 and after both sides were awarded dubious penalties, one of which was scored and one of which was missed, would people be saying that it was a cruel way to lose and that the game was decided by something that wasn't a "core" skill of the game.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 982 - 29/06/2022 08:33:36    2428510

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I really don't get the argument of penalties if a team is 1 up and the other team get a last minute point then that team that just equalised are over the moon to get penalties weather they lose or win its better than were they were before the last kick of the game.

The other side of it also is we were always giving out that the ref played for a draw for the replay making the GAA more money and us the supporters out more money so there is no winning.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 502 - 29/06/2022 08:39:48    2428511

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Replying To dubarra:  "In Rugby the the team this winning has the right to kick the ball out of play when the clock goes into the red ,why should they be penalised once the clock is in the the red and time is up. Obviously the team behind wants to keep it going and try and score. But I agree the clock should be used the same as the Rugby or else the way the ladies football do it."
The rugby crowd have a good tried and tested system. Stop the clock. When the clock goes red, allow the final passage of play to complete. Very little, if any, ambiguity.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 29/06/2022 10:26:58    2428537

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The rugby crowd have a good tried and tested system. Stop the clock. When the clock goes red, allow the final passage of play to complete. Very little, if any, ambiguity."
How do you do this from club games up? Games will end up lasting ages with this. Need a hooter if anything, that's it. Last play could go for ages before a ball goes dead

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 29/06/2022 11:07:37    2428561

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Those penalties you can score a point in while in a shootout its goals only and do we really need to copy another sport in how to decide drawn games?"
I suppose GAA could always come up with their own way like a longest handpass competition , seen as how so many are reluctant to actually kick the ball anymore.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2320 - 29/06/2022 12:57:30    2428603

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I have no problem with penalties. Games have to finish on the day anymore, we can't have seasons dragging out and it's as good a method as any. No matter what way you finish on the day it's going to be very harsh on the defeated team but that's sport

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 258 - 29/06/2022 14:15:03    2428636

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Quite a lot of opinions on here so to be honest how are the GAA ever suppose to get it right. of course penalties are a lottery and always will be, but as much as we all wanted to see Galway vs Armagh again this weekend its hard for players to go do all that again and then who ever wins has to go do it all again in the semi final.. thats very hard on amatuer players. I personally dont think that we can 100% say what is the right thing to do, but it was also great drama to watch penaties decide an all Q final in croke park.

Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 98 - 29/06/2022 14:22:53    2428642

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Go back to the old old way - Coin toss - that way no one gets the blame. Well maybe the referee but that would be nothing new.

fearcliste (Wexford) - Posts: 178 - 29/06/2022 14:36:26    2428648

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Replying To Garmin:  "Quite a lot of opinions on here so to be honest how are the GAA ever suppose to get it right. of course penalties are a lottery and always will be, but as much as we all wanted to see Galway vs Armagh again this weekend its hard for players to go do all that again and then who ever wins has to go do it all again in the semi final.. thats very hard on amatuer players. I personally dont think that we can 100% say what is the right thing to do, but it was also great drama to watch penaties decide an all Q final in croke park."
Agreed. Sensational journalism. If people have such an issue why didn't they call outrage when the rules were announced.
Nobody thinks that penalties are ideal... but if a replay was on next Saturday , regardless of who would have won it, the only winners would have been Derry and the GAA finances.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 982 - 29/06/2022 14:41:51    2428650

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Replying To Garmin:  "Quite a lot of opinions on here so to be honest how are the GAA ever suppose to get it right. of course penalties are a lottery and always will be, but as much as we all wanted to see Galway vs Armagh again this weekend its hard for players to go do all that again and then who ever wins has to go do it all again in the semi final.. thats very hard on amatuer players. I personally dont think that we can 100% say what is the right thing to do, but it was also great drama to watch penaties decide an all Q final in croke park."
Agreed fully. Your point vis-a-vis them being amateur sportsman hit the nail on the head completely. The legs would be gone from either team after another game like that, and they'd be completely blown come the semi's. Penalties mightn't be everyone's cup of tea, but I think it's the fairest option on the players.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3148 - 29/06/2022 18:46:42    2428721

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I don't understand the argument that taking a penalty isn't a core skill of the game.

Do we have 10 throw in's and see who catches the most of them?
Do we ask 10 players to chip the ball straight up into their hands.
Kick 10 kick outs and see who wins them?

I made an earlier suggestion on a two v two game and no one liked that.

Scoring goals is the key skill in the game. A free taking contest has prove to be terrible.

The only alternative to penalties is for someone to pick the ball up on the edge of the D and run in and shoot.
Personally I would love to see a GAA player with the guts to take a panenka.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1383 - 29/06/2022 19:31:24    2428726

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Toulouse knocked Munster out of the All European Senior Club/Interprovincial Championship.
The GAA could go with 2 45s from the ground, to the left and right of the large square. 2 21 yard free kicks from the hand, to the left and right of the large square. Then 2 penalty kicks.
If there is sudden death, go 45, 21 yard line and penalty in that order.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 30/06/2022 12:28:14    2428790

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Toulouse knocked Munster out of the All European Senior Club/Interprovincial Championship.
The GAA could go with 2 45s from the ground, to the left and right of the large square. 2 21 yard free kicks from the hand, to the left and right of the large square. Then 2 penalty kicks.
If there is sudden death, go 45, 21 yard line and penalty in that order."
jesus that's a lot of b********.. if that's the case they could just have a dance off! stick to the penalties!!

Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 98 - 30/06/2022 12:43:53    2428795

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Replying To Garmin:  "jesus that's a lot of b********.. if that's the case they could just have a dance off! stick to the penalties!!"
LOL! Fair enough!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 30/06/2022 14:28:53    2428837

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "I don't understand the argument that taking a penalty isn't a core skill of the game.

Do we have 10 throw in's and see who catches the most of them?
Do we ask 10 players to chip the ball straight up into their hands.
Kick 10 kick outs and see who wins them?

I made an earlier suggestion on a two v two game and no one liked that.

Scoring goals is the key skill in the game. A free taking contest has prove to be terrible.

The only alternative to penalties is for someone to pick the ball up on the edge of the D and run in and shoot.
Personally I would love to see a GAA player with the guts to take a panenka."
While some people might not like penalties I'm pretty sure the underdog wouldn't mind them. Would Cork have took penalties before their match with Dublin.If the underdog can put in a shift and be level at the end of extra time surely they deserve a crack at penalties. Better that than to come back the next day and get walloped. People talking about how the GAA can give the lower teams a leg up, I think this is one way.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2294 - 30/06/2022 15:45:16    2428863

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "What are zoning in on Sean Cavanagh gilly? The first person to say it was a "disgrace" that the game was decided by penalties was Padraic Joyce in his post-match interview. Was he "looking for attention and talking rubbish as usual" too? No I didnt think so."
I think both PJ and Kavanagh were way over the top with their criticism. Sure, penalties are a tough way to lose, but it is ridiculous to claim that they are somehow a "disgrace". They were introduced after a majority voted in favour of the proposal - if there had been sufficient opposition at the time, then the proposal would have been defeated. The rule was in place at the start of the season and all teams were aware of it. By the way, I don't remember any outrage over the equally cruel exits of Leitrim from the Tailteann cup or Clare from the Munster championship - I guess penalties are only a disgrace when one of the big teams loses out.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1034 - 30/06/2022 16:37:04    2428880

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "I think both PJ and Kavanagh were way over the top with their criticism. Sure, penalties are a tough way to lose, but it is ridiculous to claim that they are somehow a "disgrace". They were introduced after a majority voted in favour of the proposal - if there had been sufficient opposition at the time, then the proposal would have been defeated. The rule was in place at the start of the season and all teams were aware of it. By the way, I don't remember any outrage over the equally cruel exits of Leitrim from the Tailteann cup or Clare from the Munster championship - I guess penalties are only a disgrace when one of the big teams loses out."
The Tailteann Cup isn't as important, matter of fact most teams that played in put more effort into the NFL.

Clare v Limerick the winner was rewarded with a game v Kerry and a game they weren't going to win and the loser wasn't knocked out of the championship like Armagh was last Sunday.

Plenty that is voted into place at congress would not be voted in if there was a public vote or if the players had a say on the matter.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3610 - 30/06/2022 20:25:51    2428907

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "I think both PJ and Kavanagh were way over the top with their criticism. Sure, penalties are a tough way to lose, but it is ridiculous to claim that they are somehow a "disgrace". They were introduced after a majority voted in favour of the proposal - if there had been sufficient opposition at the time, then the proposal would have been defeated. The rule was in place at the start of the season and all teams were aware of it. By the way, I don't remember any outrage over the equally cruel exits of Leitrim from the Tailteann cup or Clare from the Munster championship - I guess penalties are only a disgrace when one of the big teams loses out."
I agree totally….. You can't have a rule for earlier rounds of the Championship or the Taltainn Cup and then call for change when the big teams are involved…. If the All Ireland final ends in a draw after et does it go to penalties or is it a replay after 70 minutes….?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3845 - 01/07/2022 07:40:42    2428922

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The order of precedence should be
1. Goals scored. So if the full time score is 1-10 to 13pts, the team with the goal wins. It makes an "extra goal" worth 4 points really (stealing this one I admit as somebody else made this point and I thought it was good).
2. Extra time with "first to 2 or a goal" winning it. I don't watch American Football but believe the 1st to score a touchdown in extra time wins.
3. Penalties.

But lets look positively, when was the last time in a GAA match the ball was kicked 10 times in a row?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 01/07/2022 09:00:10    2428928

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