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Didn't get to see the match yesterday and after reading about it I wonder is it worth an hour plus of my time. The highlights might be the way to go.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 523 - 05/06/2022 12:02:57    2422364

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Replying To Pericles:  "Fully agree with that. Was concerned before the game that having a ref from the same province could have seen him compromised. But in truth the only decision that could have gone either way was the last one, with Lee clumsily putting both hands on the Monaghan forward. If he didn't go down looking at the ref with his hand up and instead leaned in and left Cassidy to make his own mind up, I think it would have been given and it would have served our lads right for the mad stuff they were doing right at the end. The foot block looked like it hit the Mayo defender above the knee plus he was about 2m away. Even a giraffe was safe at that distance. McManus missing was it 3 scoreable frees was a massive let off. Both teams played dire stuff for most of the second half and were lucky they were playing each other and not a team on better form. I can't recall when Mayo last played two halves well... It's been a few years now.

McHale for Orme next week and hopefully Flynn to get back in. Our defence played well apart from the malarkey at end. Don't know if we'll have ROD back, but we could badly do with him. I'm expecting Donegal out of the hat on Monday... just seems destined."
Fair appraisal there fella, you obviously know something about the rules which state: Tackling is confined to tackling the ball and tackling with both hands IS a foul, so if the rules are to be applied it was a penalty, that's not an opinion its the rules. People giving opinions about going down easily are irrelevant. Ref refused to make the correct decision after having indicated he was playing an advatage

Would have probably resulted in a drawn game which we never deserved in truth, some things for Mayo to work on going forward, which may not be a bad thing

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 05/06/2022 12:36:36    2422380

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Replying To thegadfly:  "For me it wasn't a penalty at the end. He went down very easily. It looked like he signalled an advantage though? He had a very bad game otherwise. It wasn't as bad as the 2020 Ulster Final though, where he done his best to give it to Donegal. That was without doubt the worst reffing performance I've ever witnessed.
Banty must take on a large amount of responsibility for living yesterday. The game was there to be won for Monaghan as Mayo were struggling in the second half."
Don't agree with the whole attitude that if a player goes down easily it shouldnt be a free. Does a layer have to be man handled or hurt in order to get a free? Lee had 2 arms wrapped round the Monaghan lad, it's a free out the pitch therefore it should have been a penalty.

Does not matter if he went down easily or not.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 280 - 05/06/2022 13:12:17    2422393

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Replying To Pericles:  "Think he meant our starting forwards G&R and 2 is correct there. We've seen this before and it doesn't matter where the scores comes as far as I'm concerned, but it certainly makes getting a result a lot of hard work:("
Ah right. Yes. 2 points. Not good. Plenty of scope for improvement.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7978 - 05/06/2022 14:16:21    2422410

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Fair appraisal there fella, you obviously know something about the rules which state: Tackling is confined to tackling the ball and tackling with both hands IS a foul, so if the rules are to be applied it was a penalty, that's not an opinion its the rules. People giving opinions about going down easily are irrelevant. Ref refused to make the correct decision after having indicated he was playing an advatage

Would have probably resulted in a drawn game which we never deserved in truth, some things for Mayo to work on going forward, which may not be a bad thing"
I thought it was one for sure, but refs hate when a player looks like he's trying it on. If the lad had bit of experience he'd have turned back to goal and Lee would likely have kept a hold or even pulled him down. No doubt it was a let off... suicidal stuff and the only true bit of excitement in the second half apart from Eoghan Mc'Laughlin's effort.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 05/06/2022 14:19:31    2422411

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Replying To cluichethar:  "Didn't get to see the match yesterday and after reading about it I wonder is it worth an hour plus of my time. The highlights might be the way to go."
Not much to see. Aidan Orme's ball in to Cillian and Beggan's great save is worth seeing again. Lee's point in the second half lifted the crowd because he had the balls to take a shot on and score when plenty hadn't. Monaghan kicked some lovely points. But it wasn't a good game of football. Where can I watch the full game back?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7978 - 05/06/2022 17:43:40    2422487

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Replying To Pericles:  "I thought it was one for sure, but refs hate when a player looks like he's trying it on. If the lad had bit of experience he'd have turned back to goal and Lee would likely have kept a hold or even pulled him down. No doubt it was a let off... suicidal stuff and the only true bit of excitement in the second half apart from Eoghan Mc'Laughlin's effort."
It wasn't a black and white call. Look at the qualifier game today and the amount of Tyrone forwards that got wrapped up by Armagh backs. Referee kept awarding a free out for over carrying. If you're going by the book most of them should have been Tyrone frees.

You're allowed a certain amount of physical contact in Gaelic football, so long as there is no jersey tug or hand on the back.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 05/06/2022 17:54:44    2422495

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Replying To kevin03:  "Don't agree with the whole attitude that if a player goes down easily it shouldnt be a free. Does a layer have to be man handled or hurt in order to get a free? Lee had 2 arms wrapped round the Monaghan lad, it's a free out the pitch therefore it should have been a penalty.

Does not matter if he went down easily or not."
Spot on. Penalty for me. Monaghan robbed in a game that was there for the taking.

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 05/06/2022 18:37:14    2422516

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "Spot on. Penalty for me. Monaghan robbed in a game that was there for the taking."
Hello Banty

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 05/06/2022 19:05:51    2422538

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Replying To MayoDan:  "It wasn't a black and white call. Look at the qualifier game today and the amount of Tyrone forwards that got wrapped up by Armagh backs. Referee kept awarding a free out for over carrying. If you're going by the book most of them should have been Tyrone frees.

You're allowed a certain amount of physical contact in Gaelic football, so long as there is no jersey tug or hand on the back."
As already mentioned Dan, the Monaghan player undid whatever chance he had of the getting the call, though I honestly thought he was going to get it at the time. Lee rotated him with both hands but didn't pull him down (technically a foul, just not one always penalised I agree). If the forward turned back instead of flagging to the ref and going to ground Lee would have had to go again since otherwise he'd have been through on goal. I think one of the Monaghan posters suggested the ref was playing advantage but that completely escaped me tbh. I'll see it back on the SG as no doubt it'll be dissected.

I think overall the better team (the one-eyed man in the land of the blind maybe) got over the line and the margin was 4 in the end and not 3. So a penalty wouldn't necessarily have won it for Monaghan even if it had been awarded and converted (so not truly robbed as Banty claimed, but maybe not granted a last chance to earn a reprieve, which they may not have taken).

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 05/06/2022 20:17:02    2422575

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Not much to see. Aidan Orme's ball in to Cillian and Beggan's great save is worth seeing again. Lee's point in the second half lifted the crowd because he had the balls to take a shot on and score when plenty hadn't. Monaghan kicked some lovely points. But it wasn't a good game of football. Where can I watch the full game back?"
I live in the US so I watch it on GAAGO.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 523 - 05/06/2022 20:39:49    2422585

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "Spot on. Penalty for me. Monaghan robbed in a game that was there for the taking."
I'm shocked a Meath man would say this totally shocked. (Sarcasm)

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 523 - 05/06/2022 20:42:35    2422590

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Hello Banty"
Ye got all the calls in that match. Next time you might not be so lucky. That the way it goes. Don't take it so personally.

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 05/06/2022 21:06:30    2422604

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Replying To kevin03:  "Don't agree with the whole attitude that if a player goes down easily it shouldnt be a free. Does a layer have to be man handled or hurt in order to get a free? Lee had 2 arms wrapped round the Monaghan lad, it's a free out the pitch therefore it should have been a penalty.

Does not matter if he went down easily or not."
No. Wrong. It does matter. It's football not soccer if you want to watch players going down easily you should watch premier league soccer not football.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 05/06/2022 21:35:46    2422610

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Replying To thegadfly:  "No. Wrong. It does matter. It's football not soccer if you want to watch players going down easily you should watch premier league soccer not football."
As discussed on the Sunday Game a stone wall penalty as Keegan tripped him as well as he tried to turn… Another time when Mohan went for a score he was hit late but Cassidy gave a free from where he kicked it instead of where it landed ( about 50m difference ) while yesterday Goldrick ( a real ref ) twice awarded frees from where the ball landed… GAA refereeing is turning into a bit of a joke

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3845 - 06/06/2022 09:12:11    2422654

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Watched the incident back last night been a soft penalty if given to be fair.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1885 - 06/06/2022 09:35:58    2422666

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Replying To cluichethar:  "I live in the US so I watch it on GAAGO."
Cheers Cluichethar. I found it on Sky Sports On Demand on Now TV.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7978 - 06/06/2022 10:32:25    2422683

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "As discussed on the Sunday Game a stone wall penalty as Keegan tripped him as well as he tried to turn… Another time when Mohan went for a score he was hit late but Cassidy gave a free from where he kicked it instead of where it landed ( about 50m difference ) while yesterday Goldrick ( a real ref ) twice awarded frees from where the ball landed… GAA refereeing is turning into a bit of a joke"
I think because he had given an advantage and none accrued he had to bring it back since effectively he'd already awarded a free, just delayed it. In rugby I think a choice can be given where a second offence is committed, but not sure that's the same in Gaelic. Someone who refs would need to clarify and maybe the rule isn't all that clear?

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 06/06/2022 11:42:18    2422721

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Looks like we're playing at 5 on Saturday.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7978 - 06/06/2022 12:37:04    2422745

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Replying To Pericles:  "I think because he had given an advantage and none accrued he had to bring it back since effectively he'd already awarded a free, just delayed it. In rugby I think a choice can be given where a second offence is committed, but not sure that's the same in Gaelic. Someone who refs would need to clarify and maybe the rule isn't all that clear?"
The advantage rule in football does include the 'award the free from where the ball lands' concept. So Mohans free 100% should have been from 13m. To me that was a major turning point because McManus missed effort totally took the bit of momentum from Monaghan. Monaghan players curiously didn't makenthatvpoint to Cassidy. That one and DOC'S dive for a free reversal were crucial.

For the record, McManus black card was justified and a penalty for Leonard was a tight call. In fact O'Horas follow up tackle on Kelly was more of a penalty shout.

And finally there is no law against a 'hand on the back' in football. Or indeed a 'hand over the shoulder', or tackling with the inside hand. All favourites of a certain Mayo pundit but not actually illegal.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 06/06/2022 12:40:48    2422747

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