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Mayo V Monaghan

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Monagha has missed the boat. On their day, they can still cause teams problems, but should be Mayo here. Overall, it will be a good day for HQ, with either Armagh or Tyrone gone, and potentially Monaghan gone too.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 02/06/2022 09:40:37    2421716

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Replying To realdub:  "The winner here is going to cause one of the big guns a serious headache before its all over."
Mayo already a big gun. Monaghan could beat mayo and lose to Limerick the following week.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1885 - 02/06/2022 09:56:10    2421722

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "If Mayo win I'm expecting them to at least reach the semi final and if its a semi final against Galway then I'd expect another All Ireland final appearance.

Monaghan a Quarter final at best though the type of inconsistent team that could lose to another team they are expected to beat."
I agree that Mayo could be dangerous. But I cant understand your logic. If they beat Monaghan you expect hem to get to a semi. If they get to a QF they have a 66% chance of meeting Kerry or Dublin. So you are saying you expect them to beat Kerry or Dublin. Or are you saying you expect them to get to semi if they meet Derry in the QF ( one in 3 chance). To me the word "expect" would infer at least a 50% probability in your opinion.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 982 - 02/06/2022 13:20:36    2421784

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I agree that Mayo could be dangerous. But I cant understand your logic. If they beat Monaghan you expect hem to get to a semi. If they get to a QF they have a 66% chance of meeting Kerry or Dublin. So you are saying you expect them to beat Kerry or Dublin. Or are you saying you expect them to get to semi if they meet Derry in the QF ( one in 3 chance). To me the word "expect" would infer at least a 50% probability in your opinion."
If Tyrone and Donegal make the quarter finals they can't meet Derry again. So the other 2 qualifier teams (Mayo will hopefully be 1) would have a 50% chance of drawing Derry.

Of course, nobody can confidently predict right now that Mayo will make a semi final. Too many unknowns. At least we'll get a clear picture this weekend of who's fit. The last 6 weeks have just been a series of rumours and leaks.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 02/06/2022 14:26:51    2421794

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Replying To MayoDan:  "If Tyrone and Donegal make the quarter finals they can't meet Derry again. So the other 2 qualifier teams (Mayo will hopefully be 1) would have a 50% chance of drawing Derry.

Of course, nobody can confidently predict right now that Mayo will make a semi final. Too many unknowns. At least we'll get a clear picture this weekend of who's fit. The last 6 weeks have just been a series of rumours and leaks."
Hopefully mayo will get Galway again further down the line, but I think someone else will get there before them.
Playing a 00s styled double sweeper system at HQ is doomed from the get-go.., but they can't defend without it ,as
they don't have the Talent to go toe2toe.

Vish (USA) - Posts: 94 - 02/06/2022 14:44:03    2421798

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Replying To essmac:  "Monagha has missed the boat. On their day, they can still cause teams problems, but should be Mayo here. Overall, it will be a good day for HQ, with either Armagh or Tyrone gone, and potentially Monaghan gone too."
Have Monaghan & Armagh combined to become Monagha?

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 02/06/2022 17:03:46    2421837

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Replying To Vish:  "Hopefully mayo will get Galway again further down the line, but I think someone else will get there before them.
Playing a 00s styled double sweeper system at HQ is doomed from the get-go.., but they can't defend without it ,as
they don't have the Talent to go toe2toe."
The top two Kerry and Dublin don't go toe to toe they regularly have numbers back that is the way of modern football.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 02/06/2022 17:29:51    2421844

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Replying To Vish:  "Hopefully mayo will get Galway again further down the line, but I think someone else will get there before them.
Playing a 00s styled double sweeper system at HQ is doomed from the get-go.., but they can't defend without it ,as
they don't have the Talent to go toe2toe."
We keep hearing about the double-sweeper. The two 'sweepers' were our wing-backs, not forwards dragged back, as some teams did in the past. They were defenders anyway. The difference was they moved centrally and squeezed the middle, something we didn't do at all in last year's Connacht final to curb Mayo's running threat.
Our wing forwards then mainly covered the sidelines up and down. It meant we had more players further up the pitch when we won possession back and could attack more quickly.
It also forced Mayo to shoot from more difficult positions out wide, rather in front of the D.
Leaving the middle of our defence wide open to allow Mayo to play to their strengths wouldn't be the smartest thing to do. I'd fancy our chances in a toe-to-toe kicking game, but not a toe-to-toe running game. We then had a different setup against Roscommon. A good management team should always be adapting to negate their opponents main strengths.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2321 - 02/06/2022 18:56:38    2421853

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Replying To Vish:  "Hopefully mayo will get Galway again further down the line, but I think someone else will get there before them.
Playing a 00s styled double sweeper system at HQ is doomed from the get-go.., but they can't defend without it ,as
they don't have the Talent to go toe2toe."
Hopefully mayo will get Galway again further down the line, but I think someone else will get there before them.
Playing a 00s styled double sweeper system at HQ is doomed from the get-go.., but they can't defend without it ,as
they don't have the Talent to go toe2toe.
Vish (USA) - Posts: 48 - 02/06/2022 14:44:03 2421798


You seem fairly confident for Saturdays game .... fair play to ya, can't bate it !

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 443 - 02/06/2022 19:03:56    2421855

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Replying To Yondu:  "The top two Kerry and Dublin don't go toe to toe they regularly have numbers back that is the way of modern football."
Exactly and it's the reason Kerry brought in Paddy Tally. Dublin for me are still the team to beat and I'm backing them to take their crown back this year.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11564 - 02/06/2022 19:10:35    2421857

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Replying To Yondu:  "The top two Kerry and Dublin don't go toe to toe they regularly have numbers back that is the way of modern football."
They do both.

Vish (USA) - Posts: 94 - 02/06/2022 21:54:11    2421879

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Replying To Yondu:  "The top two Kerry and Dublin don't go toe to toe they regularly have numbers back that is the way of modern football."
Top two?, Dublin certainly, Kerry? One A.I. last 10yrs, three finals in total, Mayo have contested 6 of last 10 finals.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 891 - 03/06/2022 09:44:36    2421894

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Top two?, Dublin certainly, Kerry? One A.I. last 10yrs, three finals in total, Mayo have contested 6 of last 10 finals."
...and not forgetting Tyrone either, current champions and finalists in 2018.

Although depending on what happens on Sunday afternoon this might need to be revistited.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 191 - 03/06/2022 10:13:08    2421909

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Top two?, Dublin certainly, Kerry? One A.I. last 10yrs, three finals in total, Mayo have contested 6 of last 10 finals."
Mayo have lost a number of players from the engine room of that side- Clarke, Barrett, Higgins, Parsons, Vaughan, Boyle, Moran. In particular, we have never managed to replace Barrett as a man-marker or Andy as a playmaking forward, while we miss the energy of the others mentioned around the centre.

For the most part, their replacements have not yet shown that they are of the same quality, IMO. We would not get within an ass's roar of Dublin or Kerry on current form.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 03/06/2022 11:04:50    2421928

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Was listening to rte podcast there most going for mayo basically because they have more of a body of work when it comes to big championship knockout games than ourselves. Interesting also that monaghan in modern times apart from maybe beating kildare in 2014 have never actually beaten a traditional non ulster big side in straight knockout championship so a win on Saturday be huge one if they got it. Hard to see it through.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1885 - 03/06/2022 11:07:48    2421929

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Mayo have lost a number of players from the engine room of that side- Clarke, Barrett, Higgins, Parsons, Vaughan, Boyle, Moran. In particular, we have never managed to replace Barrett as a man-marker or Andy as a playmaking forward, while we miss the energy of the others mentioned around the centre.

For the most part, their replacements have not yet shown that they are of the same quality, IMO. We would not get within an ass's roar of Dublin or Kerry on current form."
We reached the last 2 finals without those players! I would argue we did manage to replace Andy by bringing through Tommy Conroy and Ryan O'Donoghue. Looks like neither of them are available this weekend however. Cillian was in the form of his life pre Achilles injury too. I also think the addition of Mullin, Eoghan McLaughlin and Mattie Ruane meant we still had more than enough pace/energy around the middle.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 456 - 03/06/2022 11:56:20    2421946

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Monaghan are spent, the die hards know it.
Mayo by 6 to 8 points.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 03/06/2022 12:51:41    2421969

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Monaghan are spent, the die hards know it.
Mayo by 6 to 8 points."
Exactly as I see it. 3 years wasted with no rebuilding.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 03/06/2022 13:36:04    2421995

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Top two?, Dublin certainly, Kerry? One A.I. last 10yrs, three finals in total, Mayo have contested 6 of last 10 finals."
It's the here and now the top two are Kerry and Dublin, the likely All-Ireland semi final whereby this years AI winner should come from.

Vish, any time Dublin or Kerry leave themselves open one on one it usually ends in an easy score for the opposition. Their strength in defending in numbers and counter attack with pace. Both have clinical forwards and when on the top of their game they are excellent in decision making and shot selection.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 03/06/2022 13:47:05    2421999

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Monaghan are spent, the die hards know it.
Mayo by 6 to 8 points."
Can someone give me age break down of the Monaghan team that started against Derry.

Seems like a lot of 30 year olds with loads of milage on the clock.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 03/06/2022 14:05:06    2422006

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