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I give Derry a chance of winning Ulster.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1745 - 19/05/2022 14:16:55 2418716 Link 0 |
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Cheers for introducing yourself Tom. Had you not done so, we wouldn't have know who you were. Didn't McBrearty kick the winner last year against Derry? Paddy so far has shown this year he doesn't need too many opportunities to do damage.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 19/05/2022 20:16:55 2418814 Link 0 |
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In the context of a goalkeeper who does not add to the attack i agree with the article. Though if I was working behind the scenes for the next generation goalkeeper I'd be working on converting talented underage outfield players to be keepers. Nobody has more touches than a keeper. The keeper has the most free role on the field. If you have some with real speed and talent they could do all sorts of damage. Donegal have been pushing up on kickouts all year and they won't stop that against Derry and will do their best to make derry kick to the contest. It was so aggressive at times that patton was marking a forward against cavan. If derry can get some away then they'll look to target goals from them. In the 2019 all ireland final kerry pushed excellently. Then Brian Howard made an phenomenal catch that led to the McCaffrey goal. Conor glass could do that for derry they have pace to play off. Donegal will still push up though. Once they don't win the kick out donegal will retreat quickly to clog up the defence. Derry will probably not push as much on donegal because patton could catch them out long. If donegal can get a few long ones away then need to be ruthless and much more so than against cavan. A 2016 (donegal vs tyrone) rory gallagher might go ultra defensive. Even for his own kickouts keeping most men back so if they lose the kickout the defence will still be clogged. When they did attack they still kept most of their men back. That was one if the most boring games ever. He's moved on since then. Last year ths likes of mcmenamin, mcff, Neil mcgee dragged their men to the ff forward position and remember martin mchugh being very cross (way ott cross). He was annoyed about that tactic for one thing. Whether you agree or not it keeps the best derry scoring forwards as far away from goal as possible. Derry are not going to let you score on the inside anyway and you keep probing away on the outside with your long range kickers to you manufacture a point from distance. I've mentioned before about donegal scorers from outside the ff forward line will need to have their scoring boots on to win. If they don't they are in trouble. The defence has to on it too and sharper than against cavan and derry last year. Derry may have picked up some injuries at the end of the monaghan game and that could be a challenge. They also don't have mcfaul and he was excellent last year against donegal last year kicking 3 outrageous points. Mcniallais had a very decent impact when he came on for donegal and he's gone. Paul brennan also was very good off the bench. Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 696 - 19/05/2022 20:26:53 2418817 Link 0 |
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This is it. Paddy has so much experience. He could be well shackled for an hour or more of a game but he doesn't let it get him down. He could still hit you for 1-2 out of nothing, or a late late score as Derry found out to their cost last year.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9151 - 20/05/2022 10:15:17 2418859 Link 0 |
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Just watched the highlights there again and one thing that is now worrying me is the fact that Derry were able to get in behind us for goal chances last year but fluffed their lines. They look to have sorted that issue out in 2022 - they were ruthless with every goal chance they got against Monaghan. We will need to be very mindful of this.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9151 - 20/05/2022 10:28:23 2418868 Link 0 |
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Gallen out for the final. Such a pity for the lad, he's a great prospect. I wonder would he better off taking this year out and letting his body heal rather than trying to get back into it? I'm not sure as to the extent of his injury. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9151 - 20/05/2022 13:11:25 2418944 Link 0 |
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I saw on the Derry GAA page that they have sold out their own allocation so a big crowd from Derry will be there, hopefully we can bring plenty noise ourselves JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/05/2022 14:32:59 2418982 Link 0 |
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Capacity of Clones reduced from 36,500 a couple of years ago to 26,000 today. Nothing more than a political stunt by the Ulster Council to downgrade the facilities in Clones, so that they can get their shiney new concert venue in Belfast.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 585 - 20/05/2022 19:48:29 2419068 Link 3 |
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That full game is on YouTube and you are completely right in the goal chances. The donegal defence has to be in with every player fully switched on for the next day. There were loads of positives in that game too. Derry gave Donegal nothing easy in that game and I wouldn't say there was any handy ones an some excellent long range points. They have to deliver on that again. And I wouldn't mind the odd long ball in just to keep Derry on their toes. That kind of diagonal ball like against Dublin. Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 696 - 21/05/2022 12:06:02 2419139 Link 0 |
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Maybe they should have played the game in Croker, it would have been interesting to see how big a crowd it would have got. It will be a long time till Casement is built. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 21/05/2022 12:20:18 2419143 Link 0 |
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The same Ulster Council that let Casement be run into the ground in the hopes the state of the place would get it redeveloped quicker. they've a lot to answer for
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/05/2022 12:22:53 2419146 Link 1 |
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Jesus no, even if we both brought 20,000 each the atmosphere would be horrific in Croke Park, you need 60k minimum to get any sort of buzz going in that stadium. Would Breffni or the Athletic Grounds now be the best options in terms of stadiums in Ulster? Athletic Grounds too small for a final. Been a while since I was in Breffni. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/05/2022 12:28:37 2419151 Link 0 |
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There was very little wrong with Casement the way it was, in that it was ideal for Antrims needs, and was adequate as a neutral venue for Derry/Down/Armagh clashes. But they thought if they abandoned it like they did, that they would force through the Planning Application. They weren't dealing with the same planning officials as they had been dealing with in Dublin. In reality, it's a poor sight, if you have a look at it on Google Maps, you will see how tight it is. There isn't even room for a warm up area. And there's absolutely atmosphere around it. Clones on the other hand has a lot less work to do. The Hill and Pat McGrane Stand don't need much development other than toilet and shop facilities. There is plenty of room on the Gerry Arthur side for a proper upgraded stand. Also there's room behind the Eastern Stand for development. And the nearby Peace Link is already used for teams pre match routines. And what you lose with regards travel infrastructure, you gain in atmosphere both inside and outside the stadium. Although geographically not ideal, Breifne Park would be an ideal facility, terrific atmosphere. But people won't go to concerts in Clones or Cavan. SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 585 - 21/05/2022 14:11:50 2419173 Link 3 |
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If there's that much of a buzz in Derry you'd think they'd bring some crowd down to Croker and we would have plenty there ourselves, a run out there would have done both teams good too. Clones will be packed so the atmosphere will be great no doubt, could have sold another 20k tickets easy though I'd say. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 21/05/2022 14:21:11 2419176 Link 0 |
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I knew Clones was reduced from 36k to 29k.When was it reduced to 26k.I don't think the final was a full house recently and maybe it won't be this time .I never had much trouble getting in to Clones there are so many little border roads coming from the Fermanagh side.People that have to come from the Monaghan town side would probably have problems. gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1059 - 21/05/2022 16:57:59 2419209 Link 0 |
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Ulster Council should buy a greenfield site beside the Aughnacloy roundabout and develop a brand new stadium there. Leave plenty of room for parking etc and the Rd structure is already in place. It's the most central part of our province and after a while everything else will arrive. Personally hate clones take us 3 n half hours to get there. Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 160 - 21/05/2022 17:12:52 2419216 Link 1 |
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Roads to clones is not great especially if you come in from over windmills. What road does everyone one else take? Its great town for buzz but just roads and parking is the problem you do need pay 5e to whoever owns the fields otherwise your parking on the side of the road which i think is dangerous for size of the road. I do hope they release more tickets i don't think the people in Donegal was thinking be sold out in 15 minutes
Tom123 (Donegal) - Posts: 20 - 22/05/2022 08:00:57 2419310 Link 0 |
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Very good point. The work Derry have done at underage is incredible and they'll have another minor team who'll be favourites to win another Ulster title next Sunday. I listened to one podcast which I don't think mentioned Conor Glass once but spoke about Gallagher for most of it. One thing is for sure is that Gallagher has lots of friends in the media. It was the same when he was in Donegal despite most on the ground having opposing opinions. That's not to take away from the job he has done especially getting everyone on board which I imagine was a job in itself. Next Sunday will be the first of many Ulster finals for Derry and no doubt titles with the players there and many about to come through.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 22/05/2022 11:39:08 2419339 Link 1 |
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I've not seen anything to say it's been reduced further from 29k to 26k. Clones used to be a railway crossing point which made it accessible back in the day. It would have been a fine town in its day. The troubles certainly didn't do it any favours. As you say there are loads of roads into it. I often have to come from the cavan side and it worked a treat until cavan were in the final in 2019. If there are any donegal fans that cone through monaghan I wouldn't do that this year as all the derry fans have to come that way so traffic will be very busy and you could end up having to park too far out. It's clear the ulster council don't want to spend money on it, the wooden benches are pretty much done though. The town itself has a great buzz on the day. Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 696 - 22/05/2022 11:40:34 2419340 Link 0 |
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I always travel from the Cavan side and its never a bother until like you said 2019.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 22/05/2022 12:17:04 2419353 Link 0 |