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Derry V'S Monaghan

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BBC commentary is like listening to someone explaining the rules of the game to the DUP. They commentate as if the people watching can't understand what is happening at all. Thank god for the volume button. Patronising is an understatement. At least mickey, pater & Oisin know what there talking about.

offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 171 - 15/05/2022 16:56:12    2417261

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Well done Derry, it was a well earned win. Next day will be even tougher but good luck.

Newmitch (Down) - Posts: 97 - 15/05/2022 17:51:37    2417287

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Replying To offtheditch:  "BBC commentary is like listening to someone explaining the rules of the game to the DUP. They commentate as if the people watching can't understand what is happening at all. Thank god for the volume button. Patronising is an understatement. At least mickey, pater & Oisin know what there talking about."
Still miles ahead of rte, cantwells awful.... O'Rourke and co no better

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 15/05/2022 17:54:16    2417289

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Well deserved victory for the oak leaf men, listening to McHugh and his unbiased Gallagher uligising at halftime..... bbllleeecchhh

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 15/05/2022 17:56:07    2417290

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Replying To offtheditch:  "BBC commentary is like listening to someone explaining the rules of the game to the DUP. They commentate as if the people watching can't understand what is happening at all. Thank god for the volume button. Patronising is an understatement. At least mickey, pater & Oisin know what there talking about."
Then switch to RTE, oh thats right, GAA is that rushed there is not enough screen time in our calendar year.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2293 - 15/05/2022 17:57:16    2417291

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Replying To offtheditch:  "BBC commentary is like listening to someone explaining the rules of the game to the DUP. They commentate as if the people watching can't understand what is happening at all. Thank god for the volume button. Patronising is an understatement. At least mickey, pater & Oisin know what there talking about."
And still absolute miles ahead of RTE. Actual analysis of the game at half and full time instead of lazy cliches and assumptions.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1409 - 15/05/2022 18:07:44    2417295

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I actually much prefer the BBC coverage in comparison to RTÉ.

All very knowledgeable contributers.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 15/05/2022 18:11:22    2417298

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Well done Derry. Loads of Monaghan posters don't have much good to say about Banty even at the best if times so they'll be very vexed today. I just don't know what Monaghan were up to in the first half. Derry are very good and very disciplined playing all men behind the ball and counter attacking at pace. Monaghan though went man on man and played the game in Derry's terms. Derry were playing into the scoring goals in the first half and whatever it is about the athletic grounds it's a very pronounced difference so monaghan should have replicated Derry and tried to make a borefest. Then in the second half tried to pick them off. Derry may still have won but I just couldn't get the tactic. Congrats again to Derry.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 815 - 15/05/2022 18:17:16    2417306

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I actually much prefer the BBC coverage in comparison to RTÉ.

All very knowledgeable contributers."
BBC Contributors are good alright, in game commentary' is so poor. Rte probably better in game but I agree contributors are brutal.

offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 171 - 15/05/2022 18:55:44    2417329

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Start o connell half back and McCarthy in the forwards and you win that game. Be great to see who our tactical genius blames this time

updafaughs (Monaghan) - Posts: 56 - 15/05/2022 19:13:06    2417351

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Enjoyed this game. Proper championship hard hitting stuff in front of a big crowd. Fair play to David Gough. He got some calls wrong but let the game flow which is the most important thing. Derry are not going to be easy bet. They have some brilliant footballers and lots of pace all over the field. They also look like a very level-headed bunch. It's great to see Derry football back, the championship has missed them. BBC do a brilliant job in my opinion, way ahead of Rte

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 407 - 15/05/2022 19:30:33    2417362

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Derry looked to have more pace and threat. Monaghan have a few players near the end of their career. They will be hard replaced

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2876 - 15/05/2022 19:46:13    2417369

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Replying To offtheditch:  "BBC commentary is like listening to someone explaining the rules of the game to the DUP. They commentate as if the people watching can't understand what is happening at all. Thank god for the volume button. Patronising is an understatement. At least mickey, pater & Oisin know what there talking about."
Delighted to watch such a good game on any channel. We couldn't until recently watch a match on BBC if RTE weren't showing it already and some key Ulster matches have been behind a pay wall in recent years as well. Yesterday was perfect with a choice of viewing the two most competitive championships in Munster hurling and Ulster football. Wonder if there was any consideration given to playing the Leinster semi finals on Saturday given that the four counties are within relative easy access to Croke Park. It was unfortunate that there was a clash of fixtures on Sunday afternoon. I enjoy Mark Sidebottom's unusual presenting style and the panel are good , often critical but always respectful of the participating counties. Unlike some others I have no issues with Joanne Cantwell on The Sunday Game. Prior to her arrival the panel indulged unchecked for 15 years in being downright insulting to Ulster football. Any attempt at analysis was replaced by pundits competing for the most humorous offensive dig at Ulster football. Joanne in fairness holds them responsible for their views and makes a good attempt at analysis between the ad breaks. She happens to be a good clear presenter as well.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 604 - 16/05/2022 13:31:39    2417691

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Delighted to watch such a good game on any channel. We couldn't until recently watch a match on BBC if RTE weren't showing it already and some key Ulster matches have been behind a pay wall in recent years as well. Yesterday was perfect with a choice of viewing the two most competitive championships in Munster hurling and Ulster football. Wonder if there was any consideration given to playing the Leinster semi finals on Saturday given that the four counties are within relative easy access to Croke Park. It was unfortunate that there was a clash of fixtures on Sunday afternoon. I enjoy Mark Sidebottom's unusual presenting style and the panel are good , often critical but always respectful of the participating counties. Unlike some others I have no issues with Joanne Cantwell on The Sunday Game. Prior to her arrival the panel indulged unchecked for 15 years in being downright insulting to Ulster football. Any attempt at analysis was replaced by pundits competing for the most humorous offensive dig at Ulster football. Joanne in fairness holds them responsible for their views and makes a good attempt at analysis between the ad breaks. She happens to be a good clear presenter as well."
Cantwell is ok, Spillane and O'Rourke and Cavanagh should be got rid off, Cavanagh is so anti Donegal it's laughable.
BBC pundits are excellent, commentary is a bit funny though, maybe they are conscious of the fact the are on BBC and there are trying to be inclusive and explain what's going on in case there's any curious tuv voters tuning in.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3186 - 16/05/2022 14:03:23    2417717

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Delighted to watch such a good game on any channel. We couldn't until recently watch a match on BBC if RTE weren't showing it already and some key Ulster matches have been behind a pay wall in recent years as well. Yesterday was perfect with a choice of viewing the two most competitive championships in Munster hurling and Ulster football. Wonder if there was any consideration given to playing the Leinster semi finals on Saturday given that the four counties are within relative easy access to Croke Park. It was unfortunate that there was a clash of fixtures on Sunday afternoon. I enjoy Mark Sidebottom's unusual presenting style and the panel are good , often critical but always respectful of the participating counties. Unlike some others I have no issues with Joanne Cantwell on The Sunday Game. Prior to her arrival the panel indulged unchecked for 15 years in being downright insulting to Ulster football. Any attempt at analysis was replaced by pundits competing for the most humorous offensive dig at Ulster football. Joanne in fairness holds them responsible for their views and makes a good attempt at analysis between the ad breaks. She happens to be a good clear presenter as well."
She had an awful habit of interrupting pundits for a while,, made her shows almost unwatchable, for me anyways, as it just really bugged me. I'm assuming someone had a word with her about it as she's stopped doing it.
All in all tho I find TSG very bland, not much personality from the show anymore.
Preferred it back in the old days of Spillane, ó Rourke, and brolly,, who often bigged up ulster football, which you failed to mention.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/05/2022 14:22:16    2417730

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Rory Gallagher is rightly getting the praise for leading Derry into the Ulster final when few including their own supporters expected it to happen.

It's the 4th time his managed side has reached the Ulster final twice with Donegal and against the odds with Fermanagh.. All those finals ended in defeat, will lesson be learnt especially when he was managing Donegal and i recall plenty of Donegal fans at the time weren't too pleased at how he set Donegal up in those final defeats.

Donegal have the experience of playing 3 of the last 4 Ulster finals and winning two of them and should be able to win this final by a point or two if they do their homework on Derry and play to their potential.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 16/05/2022 17:35:25    2417870

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Delighted to watch such a good game on any channel. We couldn't until recently watch a match on BBC if RTE weren't showing it already and some key Ulster matches have been behind a pay wall in recent years as well. Yesterday was perfect with a choice of viewing the two most competitive championships in Munster hurling and Ulster football. Wonder if there was any consideration given to playing the Leinster semi finals on Saturday given that the four counties are within relative easy access to Croke Park. It was unfortunate that there was a clash of fixtures on Sunday afternoon. I enjoy Mark Sidebottom's unusual presenting style and the panel are good , often critical but always respectful of the participating counties. Unlike some others I have no issues with Joanne Cantwell on The Sunday Game. Prior to her arrival the panel indulged unchecked for 15 years in being downright insulting to Ulster football. Any attempt at analysis was replaced by pundits competing for the most humorous offensive dig at Ulster football. Joanne in fairness holds them responsible for their views and makes a good attempt at analysis between the ad breaks. She happens to be a good clear presenter as well."
It kind of depends on what you want from a show or the pundits on it. Gaelic games by their very nature and tradition are parochial and tribal. I also enjoy Mark Sidebottom's way of doing things; he's not trying to tell or interrupt the lads who all have vast experience of playing Ulster football. Would I like the same fellas commenting on Munster football or hurling? Of course not. The same as I would certainly not be entertained by the likes of Anthony Daly or TJ Ryan trying to comment on Ulster football. To each their own.

I prefer the entertainment to the analysis, which is why I find a story about a horserace or greyhound race on Dalo's podcast as interesting as the stats of who did this or that. I mean I watch the game. I know why and how one team won and the other team lost. I don't really need anyone on RTE or the BBC to explain to me something that I already know.

The likes of Spillane or O'Rourke bluff so much. They glance over or gloss over parts of the game of football that they don't know about and are unwilling to learn about (in their old age); Ulster football, being one of them. Yet, they can be both quite entertaining. Are the younger, "more analytical" lads any better? The O'Se's and Cavanagh for me are too much 'yes' men. They say what they expect the general public to like; the safe, non-biased, not-controversial comment. And the general public, if it's me, don't like that. They'd make great UUP or SDLP men; bland, boring and too in-between. Throw McStay into that same boat as well

I prefer the less politically correct pundit, even more so the guy with a bit of devilment in him; Brolly, for example. He used to have Pat Spillane puking footballs. Then you have the likes of Donal Og and Derrick McGrath who try to bring "their" level of sophistication to the analysis. It doesn't wash with the parochial tribes, even if I do enjoy certain quips out of Cusack.

Like I say, it is not the analysis that I enjoy, but the entertainment and the unscripted comment/rant/outburst. Alas, the Eamonn Dunphy's, George Hook's, Ger Loughnane's, even the Bill O'Herlihy's (RIP) are very thin on the ground in these sanitized, scripted, politically correct times.

And finally, to address your claim that "Any attempt at analysis was replaced by pundits competing for the most humorous offensive dig at Ulster football." Wasn't it hard not to? Up until the 1990's anyway. The province had 8 AI titles in total among the 9 counties there until 1991, and those were split between Cavan (5), who have refused to win another AI since 1952, and Down (5) who didn't decide to win one until 1960. Thankfully, the province has upped that total by 10 more since the 1990's. But even at that, Connacht, a province with only 5 counties, and 2 of them happen to be Leitrim and Sligo, has 14 titles, which includes Roscommon that has perennially refused a third title since 1944.

Like you say in Ireland, horses for courses, or as we put it in Florida, "different strokes for different folks". It's the entertainment that I enjoy, not the over-blown analysis, the attempts at sophistication (please, bring back the Babs; he'd still ruffle feathers), the meddling MC, or even the accuracy of the comments or yarns.

Try to enjoy it all, hurling or football, BBC or RTE or TnaG or the GAAGo. None is perfect, but all are watchable.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2224 - 19/05/2022 13:20:09    2418692

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "It kind of depends on what you want from a show or the pundits on it. Gaelic games by their very nature and tradition are parochial and tribal. I also enjoy Mark Sidebottom's way of doing things; he's not trying to tell or interrupt the lads who all have vast experience of playing Ulster football. Would I like the same fellas commenting on Munster football or hurling? Of course not. The same as I would certainly not be entertained by the likes of Anthony Daly or TJ Ryan trying to comment on Ulster football. To each their own.

I prefer the entertainment to the analysis, which is why I find a story about a horserace or greyhound race on Dalo's podcast as interesting as the stats of who did this or that. I mean I watch the game. I know why and how one team won and the other team lost. I don't really need anyone on RTE or the BBC to explain to me something that I already know.

The likes of Spillane or O'Rourke bluff so much. They glance over or gloss over parts of the game of football that they don't know about and are unwilling to learn about (in their old age); Ulster football, being one of them. Yet, they can be both quite entertaining. Are the younger, "more analytical" lads any better? The O'Se's and Cavanagh for me are too much 'yes' men. They say what they expect the general public to like; the safe, non-biased, not-controversial comment. And the general public, if it's me, don't like that. They'd make great UUP or SDLP men; bland, boring and too in-between. Throw McStay into that same boat as well

I prefer the less politically correct pundit, even more so the guy with a bit of devilment in him; Brolly, for example. He used to have Pat Spillane puking footballs. Then you have the likes of Donal Og and Derrick McGrath who try to bring "their" level of sophistication to the analysis. It doesn't wash with the parochial tribes, even if I do enjoy certain quips out of Cusack.

Like I say, it is not the analysis that I enjoy, but the entertainment and the unscripted comment/rant/outburst. Alas, the Eamonn Dunphy's, George Hook's, Ger Loughnane's, even the Bill O'Herlihy's (RIP) are very thin on the ground in these sanitized, scripted, politically correct times.

And finally, to address your claim that "Any attempt at analysis was replaced by pundits competing for the most humorous offensive dig at Ulster football." Wasn't it hard not to? Up until the 1990's anyway. The province had 8 AI titles in total among the 9 counties there until 1991, and those were split between Cavan (5), who have refused to win another AI since 1952, and Down (5) who didn't decide to win one until 1960. Thankfully, the province has upped that total by 10 more since the 1990's. But even at that, Connacht, a province with only 5 counties, and 2 of them happen to be Leitrim and Sligo, has 14 titles, which includes Roscommon that has perennially refused a third title since 1944.

Like you say in Ireland, horses for courses, or as we put it in Florida, "different strokes for different folks". It's the entertainment that I enjoy, not the over-blown analysis, the attempts at sophistication (please, bring back the Babs; he'd still ruffle feathers), the meddling MC, or even the accuracy of the comments or yarns.

Try to enjoy it all, hurling or football, BBC or RTE or TnaG or the GAAGo. None is perfect, but all are watchable."
Yep Ulster football was so terrible before the 90s.
They couldnt win a railway cup .
That's why they binned it.

Derryman2 (Derry) - Posts: 12 - 03/07/2022 08:40:49    2429350

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