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Replying To Gleebo:  "I'm retired, Storey's Tash, though in my time I played club football and hurling, as well as handball.

To me, what you're saying is not unreasonable, there is an unwarranted burden on the club player. But to me, that could be solved by county boards simply standing up to their employees, the senior county team managers, and insisting that players be released for club championship duty during the summer. As it understand it they're quite liberal on that in a few counties (Kilkenny and Tyrone spring to mind) and it hasn't done their county sides any harm?"
That worked back in the day when there were alot less county games. Since Backdoors and Round Robins etc etc came in there isn't the room between county games for players to go playing with their clubs. If we made the Intercounty straight knockout again it would work again for sure. But I enjoy there being more intercounty games. Tyrone and Kilkenny were better able to keep it going for longer as both are predominantly1 code counties, although neither release players to the clubs now during the inter county Championships.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 11/05/2022 15:50:20    2416539

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Would you be happier if the GAA decided to have a split between club and county players, to let club and county games run alongside each other and club game schedules not be decided by what the county teams are doing? If county decides to let players back to clubs, very unlikely, so be it but club players and coaches deserve more respect. Should be allowed play their games in summer, organise holidays based on club calendar, not be waiting on a couple of county lads, probably fairly tired at the end of their season to return before the club championships start. In what other sports do players advance to the next level but the schedules of their previous lesser local level get held up because their club player is good enough to get to the next level. He can go back and play for them when his senior level team's season has finished or he's retired from that senior team. You don't see local soccer leagues or AIL games put on hold because they're waiting for League of Ireland or Provincial rugby players to finish their season. And then the GAA will talk out of both sides of their mouth about player welfare ignoring county players going back to play an even longer season for their club after working hard for the county while club players wait patiently. Too patiently!"
Our club players are flat out training and playing League fixtures. And drinking!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 11/05/2022 15:51:41    2416542

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Dublin has no dates for any games following the end of June.

Fair play if Wexford have such a schedule and stick to it. It's a pretty efficient set up anyway is it not?

Apart from that, do you not think that it is an own goal not to have our Big Ticket games up front and central through the Summer with the finals at the earliest in last two weeks of August? Or that doing so really makes a difference to vast majority of club players where the impact of inter county is negligible."
Most of our Senior and Intermediate clubs have players either on the senior intercounty football or hurling panels or u20 football or hurling panels or both and most of these players play club championship football and hurling for their clubs. Some clubs have 4 or 5 or more players in some or all of the 4 panels while others might only have 1. It wouldn't be fair on the clubs with more players away playing intercounty if the club championships run concurrently with the county championships. Also we have a fairly high number of players who would be good enough to play intercounty but choose not to. Clubs with more of these lads would have an even bigger advantage if the players on the intercounty panels were excluded from the club championships. And it might lead to more players opting not to play intercounty at all which would hurt the counties with smaller playing numbers of hurlers, or footballers, or both, in the 1st place.
The system as is this year isn't ideal but it is the best compromise while ensuring us spectators get a good number of intercounty and club championship games to watch all the way from January till October.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 11/05/2022 16:02:16    2416547

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Replying To legendzxix:  "4 out of 6 Munster teams are guaranteed a place in the All-Ireland series. It's the highest percentage for any province. There have been 2 All Munster All-Ireland finals. Clare and Limerick made the quarter-finals in the qualifier era. Tipperary have made the All-Ireland semi-finals twice in the qualifier era.
Monaghan v Derry not being on RTÉ or Sky is a surprise. In terms of the attendances, the right calls by and large have been made in the scheduling of live games on TV. Leinster will be seeking a bigger crowd in Croke Park.
4,749 attended Galway v Leitrim. 6059 attended Sligo v Roscommon. An indication of why other games were selected."
Monaghan v Derry is on BBC so full live coverage. Overseas people can watch it via GAAGO.

Indication that the Connacht GAA are charging too much for their games they also brought one of those games forwards a few days before it was played. No regards for its supporters there.

If both Connacht games was on GAAGO for 10 dollars or euro I'm sure plenty would have chosen that option.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3504 - 11/05/2022 16:11:41    2416550

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Replying To Gleebo:  "You're referring to the past though, whereas I am talking about the here and now. Kerry will be the only Munster county in Division One next year, whereas Connacht will have three and Ulster four. Cork would probably be Kerry's nearest challengers in Munster and have just been beaten by them by twelve points, last year it was 22 points. They were also almost relegated to Division Three this season.

Kerry have an excellent team and that accounts for some of the disparities, but it would be a huge surprise if any other Munster side joins them in the semi-finals this year."
I am talking about the here and now as well. Munster has 67% representation in the 16 league qualifiers this year. The highest percentage of any province.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 11/05/2022 17:14:41    2416571

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I am talking about the here and now as well. Munster has 67% representation in the 16 league qualifiers this year. The highest percentage of any province."
That's irrelevant. Kerry are still the only Munster county with a realistic shot of reaching an AISF as Gleebo said. Yes there are 16 counties in the competition and 4 from Munster but being realistic Clare Limerick and Cork won't be in the semifinals. Really well done in advance to any of the 3 of them that are! All 3 Connacht counties have a chance of reaching the semis as do all 5 Ulster counties depending on the draw.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 11/05/2022 17:59:04    2416581

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I am talking about the here and now as well. Munster has 67% representation in the 16 league qualifiers this year. The highest percentage of any province."
Less than 67% actually. It's a lot easier to reach a higher percent of a low base. But even if there's a big gap in standards between yerselves and the rest in Munster I think Kerry will arrive in the quarter finals a bit more tested than was anticipated before the championship started.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7704 - 11/05/2022 18:45:18    2416591

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I'm retired, Storey's Tash, though in my time I played club football and hurling, as well as handball.

To me, what you're saying is not unreasonable, there is an unwarranted burden on the club player. But to me, that could be solved by county boards simply standing up to their employees, the senior county team managers, and insisting that players be released for club championship duty during the summer. As it understand it they're quite liberal on that in a few counties (Kilkenny and Tyrone spring to mind) and it hasn't done their county sides any harm?"
Somewhat ironic that you mention Tyrone, as their footballers are among the ones who stand to benefit most from the split season, with the whole year from mid-July onwards being free for club action.

Tyrone Senior Football Championship up to now has been a straight knock-out championship. It didn't start last year until October, and obviously with the nature of knock-out, it meant half the clubs in the county were gone after just one championship match, after waiting around all year for it to start at all.

Now they could bring in more championship games for everybody, by introducing a round-robin stage that could be played in late July/August/September. I'd say 99% or more of footballers there would prefer that over just playing a secondary competition all year long, and maybe only getting one game in the championship itself.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 12/05/2022 13:06:07    2416675

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Kerry v Offaly in Tralee is basically a Joe McDonagh Semi final today and not even on GAA GO.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 14/05/2022 10:40:21    2416957

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Replying To skirge7:  "Kerry v Offaly in Tralee is basically a Joe McDonagh Semi final today and not even on GAA GO."
You sound surprised by this? And to think they are implementing the same structure in football. The GAA has lost its way at the top, it is all about the elite in hurling and football. The emporer has no clothes.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2029 - 14/05/2022 11:09:44    2416967

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "You sound surprised by this? And to think they are implementing the same structure in football. The GAA has lost its way at the top, it is all about the elite in hurling and football. The emporer has no clothes."
Do you think they should have a camera crew and commentator at every game?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7704 - 14/05/2022 11:41:47    2416980

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Do you think they should have a camera crew and commentator at every game?"
I think there should be greater rotation in relation to game coverage. If you were to look at the percentage of coverage at the end of the season i would imagine the coverage features a handful of counties. Already in the hurling limerick have featured three time; they will be in the all ireland series, could some other counties not be featured at this stage who won't be there later in yhe competition.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2029 - 14/05/2022 13:09:54    2416998

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think there should be greater rotation in relation to game coverage. If you were to look at the percentage of coverage at the end of the season i would imagine the coverage features a handful of counties. Already in the hurling limerick have featured three time; they will be in the all ireland series, could some other counties not be featured at this stage who won't be there later in yhe competition."
They will cover the teams that have most interest, neutral interest etc.

Just like Sky Sports/BT will show Man United, Man City, Liverpool a lot more than Watford, Norwich

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3681 - 14/05/2022 13:14:54    2417002

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Hurling coverage is all Munster games and any Leinster game not involving laois and Westmeath.

Be no harm to show the Antrim Offaly Kerry games or the odd laois or Westmeath ones.

Cork v Tipp will probably be on TV and they both out of the competition already.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 14/05/2022 13:26:02    2417003

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think there should be greater rotation in relation to game coverage. If you were to look at the percentage of coverage at the end of the season i would imagine the coverage features a handful of counties. Already in the hurling limerick have featured three time; they will be in the all ireland series, could some other counties not be featured at this stage who won't be there later in yhe competition."
They should get a few sponsors for the Tailteann and hurling trophies and hype up a few games. Lidl are doing well out of their LGFA sposorship, no offence meant but the football isn't any better than Men's Division 4. The football and hurling outside of Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy is a lesser standard than those but it's not awful. There should be more scope to get a few more neutral viewers fir matches between evenly matched teans, at least in comparison to the old play off games turkey shoots.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7704 - 14/05/2022 13:27:26    2417004

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Replying To KillingFields:  "They will cover the teams that have most interest, neutral interest etc.

Just like Sky Sports/BT will show Man United, Man City, Liverpool a lot more than Watford, Norwich"
The difference in that comparison is sky will show live games and highlights of the lesser teams at some stage in the season. There are counties in both codes that would be lucky to receive one mention the entire season.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1657 - 14/05/2022 14:23:48    2417018

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "They should get a few sponsors for the Tailteann and hurling trophies and hype up a few games. Lidl are doing well out of their LGFA sposorship, no offence meant but the football isn't any better than Men's Division 4. The football and hurling outside of Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy is a lesser standard than those but it's not awful. There should be more scope to get a few more neutral viewers fir matches between evenly matched teans, at least in comparison to the old play off games turkey shoots."
There is alot of talk about how the men championship should mirror what the women do but not to play the tailteann cup on the same day as the all ireland even though that's what the ladies get as a reward. Also tng get taxpayers money from the tv licence so rte could use tng to show the tailteann cup games just as they do with underage competitions.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2029 - 14/05/2022 18:56:36    2417064

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "There is alot of talk about how the men championship should mirror what the women do but not to play the tailteann cup on the same day as the all ireland even though that's what the ladies get as a reward. Also tng get taxpayers money from the tv licence so rte could use tng to show the tailteann cup games just as they do with underage competitions."
RTE cant use TG4 to do anything. they both receive tax payers money but they are completely different entities.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3681 - 15/05/2022 12:32:45    2417216

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Another weekend of no football on RTE, it is pretty depressing. I get that hurling is the better sport, but this new condensed season is only a humbug in my opinion.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 22/05/2022 16:19:09    2419458

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "Another weekend of no football on RTE, it is pretty depressing. I get that hurling is the better sport, but this new condensed season is only a humbug in my opinion."
Yeah it doesn't seem to be generating the same hype, but it's still pretty early,, is it set in stone how long the new calendar is going to be used?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 22/05/2022 16:46:59    2419468

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