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Replying To Gleebo:  "Well, I'd be surprised if the likes of Meath and Kildare wouldn't be a lot more competitive against the Dubs than Wexford were in the Leinster quarter-final. Meath put it up to Dublin in the championship last year and Kildare actually beat them in the league.

That said, maybe Con and James McCarthy coming back will blow a lot of teams open, who knows?"
We weren't expecting to be as competitive this year against them. I think they are building nicely for a good shot at Sam this year. I don't think Meath and Kildare will run Dublin close tbh. Kildare would have a better chance than Meath but then if Kildare and Dublin get through it will be on TV anyway. I hope I'm wrong about the Dubs but I doubt it Gleebo!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 10/05/2022 15:33:34    2416304

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Or no analysis at all, even better."
Spot on!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 10/05/2022 15:34:29    2416306

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Replying To Yondu:  "Certainly not in Connacht. As you say three in Div 1 and Sligo will improve in time with the work they are doing at underage.

Lack of TV coverage for me is because HQ clearly want to get rid of two competitions the senior provincial championships and the U20 football championship that they just introduced in 2018.

Brought in proposals at the Congress last year to make the provincial championships a pre season competition they haven't succeeded yet. U19 is their next step instead of going back to U21 level but that would admit they were wrong to get rid of it in the first place and they would never do that."
I think the Association made a big boo-boo in reducing the length of the inter-county season so drastically in recent years. Now, August and September have been completely yielded to competitor sports, but RTE can't really offer any more slots at peak times (Saturdays and Sundays) to accommodate the higher volumes of games. So matches which definitely would have been televised in the past (such as the Dubs v. Meath) are not being shown live any more.

It makes sense to either offer more games on streaming or allow other channels to bid for the remaining games, but let's see if that happens in the near future.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 10/05/2022 15:51:57    2416316

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Replying To Viking66:  "Don't think Derry v Monaghan is on RTE"
No it's not live as they are going with Limerick/Clare hurling , good to have a choice of viewing as BBC will have Monaghan/Derry football .

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 578 - 10/05/2022 15:53:48    2416319

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Replying To Viking66:  "We weren't expecting to be as competitive this year against them. I think they are building nicely for a good shot at Sam this year. I don't think Meath and Kildare will run Dublin close tbh. Kildare would have a better chance than Meath but then if Kildare and Dublin get through it will be on TV anyway. I hope I'm wrong about the Dubs but I doubt it Gleebo!"
I think if Kildare meet Dublin in the final and play with attacking intent, not focussing on trying to contain Dublin, and they make the best of Daniel Flynn's ability, they'll beat Dublin.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7704 - 10/05/2022 16:49:16    2416341

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There's just too much on. Not RTÉ's biggest fan but it's not their fault the GAA is running the blitz.

Even GAAGO has abandoned what I thought was a pledge to show any game not under rights? Again, its resources.

No other major sporting organisation in any other country that I can think of, has ever gone to such lengths to get their flagship competitions out of the way as quickly as they can.

And seriously, the "think of the Junior Bs" is a red herring. I was one god knows and don't ever recall a game being postponed or otherwise impacted by county team playing in August (no games anyway) or September.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 10/05/2022 17:27:48    2416350

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I think the Association made a big boo-boo in reducing the length of the inter-county season so drastically in recent years. Now, August and September have been completely yielded to competitor sports, but RTE can't really offer any more slots at peak times (Saturdays and Sundays) to accommodate the higher volumes of games. So matches which definitely would have been televised in the past (such as the Dubs v. Meath) are not being shown live any more.

It makes sense to either offer more games on streaming or allow other channels to bid for the remaining games, but let's see if that happens in the near future."
You have hit the nail on the head Gleebo. The condensed season is what has caused this. But from the clubs point of view something had to be done. The old way of lads going back to their clubs between intercounty championship games just won't work any more. There are way more intercounty games in a way shorter time. And it's all more "professional ".
And I enjoy our club championships here in Wexford.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 10/05/2022 18:40:44    2416363

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I think if Kildare meet Dublin in the final and play with attacking intent, not focussing on trying to contain Dublin, and they make the best of Daniel Flynn's ability, they'll beat Dublin."
I hope you are right. But I fear Dublin will dictate the terms of the game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 10/05/2022 18:41:21    2416364

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I think if Kildare meet Dublin in the final and play with attacking intent, not focussing on trying to contain Dublin, and they make the best of Daniel Flynn's ability, they'll beat Dublin."
Need to strike a balance between solid defensively and attack. Against your only Mayo in round 7 of the NFL in what was a must win game for Kildare shows they still have serious issues in defence by conceding 2-20.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 10/05/2022 18:42:44    2416365

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I wouldn't say the Connacht SFC is dead, there will be three teams from there in Division One next year, and the Galway v. Ros final could be very hard to call.

The Munster football championship looks to be a bit of a dead duck unfortunately, due to Kerry's resurgence and Cork and Tipp falling away a bit. But it has historically been the most one-sided provincial football championship in any case, mostly down to Kerry's excellence.

This also might be the first Leinster football championship in over a decade that someone other than the Dubs stands a decent chance of winning."
4 out of 6 Munster teams are guaranteed a place in the All-Ireland series. It's the highest percentage for any province. There have been 2 All Munster All-Ireland finals. Clare and Limerick made the quarter-finals in the qualifier era. Tipperary have made the All-Ireland semi-finals twice in the qualifier era.
Monaghan v Derry not being on RTÉ or Sky is a surprise. In terms of the attendances, the right calls by and large have been made in the scheduling of live games on TV. Leinster will be seeking a bigger crowd in Croke Park.
4,749 attended Galway v Leitrim. 6059 attended Sligo v Roscommon. An indication of why other games were selected.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 10/05/2022 19:23:36    2416377

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "What needs to happen is that the Sunday Game highlights programme should also air on Saturday nights to cover the Saturday games. All we are seeing for highlights at present are the key scores and little else.

Or alternatively have less analysis and more footage."
There was an interesting piece in one of the Leinster Championship programmes about coverage on The Sunday Game of a match between Dublin & Westmeath back in 1988, that's available on YouTube -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_FZH9uAWM
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It has about 18 minutes of highlights, and just two or three minutes of analysis afterwards. Unlike now, where you might see five minutes of a match, followed by ten minutes of yap. Have to say I prefer the 1980s approach....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 10/05/2022 21:21:20    2416393

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I think the Association made a big boo-boo in reducing the length of the inter-county season so drastically in recent years. Now, August and September have been completely yielded to competitor sports, but RTE can't really offer any more slots at peak times (Saturdays and Sundays) to accommodate the higher volumes of games. So matches which definitely would have been televised in the past (such as the Dubs v. Meath) are not being shown live any more.

It makes sense to either offer more games on streaming or allow other channels to bid for the remaining games, but let's see if that happens in the near future."
You must not be a club player Gleebo. I was very close to quitting the game before covid hit because of the poor planning and "club players stand ready" attitude of county boards. County team knocked out, cancel all plans club players was how we were treated.
All I and any club player wanted was a fixtures calendar. Nothing more, nothing less. And for the effort we put in that is not that unreasonable.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1788 - 11/05/2022 10:01:54    2416413

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Replying To legendzxix:  "4 out of 6 Munster teams are guaranteed a place in the All-Ireland series. It's the highest percentage for any province. There have been 2 All Munster All-Ireland finals. Clare and Limerick made the quarter-finals in the qualifier era. Tipperary have made the All-Ireland semi-finals twice in the qualifier era.
Monaghan v Derry not being on RTÉ or Sky is a surprise. In terms of the attendances, the right calls by and large have been made in the scheduling of live games on TV. Leinster will be seeking a bigger crowd in Croke Park.
4,749 attended Galway v Leitrim. 6059 attended Sligo v Roscommon. An indication of why other games were selected."
You're referring to the past though, whereas I am talking about the here and now. Kerry will be the only Munster county in Division One next year, whereas Connacht will have three and Ulster four. Cork would probably be Kerry's nearest challengers in Munster and have just been beaten by them by twelve points, last year it was 22 points. They were also almost relegated to Division Three this season.

Kerry have an excellent team and that accounts for some of the disparities, but it would be a huge surprise if any other Munster side joins them in the semi-finals this year.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 11/05/2022 10:13:35    2416421

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "There was an interesting piece in one of the Leinster Championship programmes about coverage on The Sunday Game of a match between Dublin & Westmeath back in 1988, that's available on YouTube -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_FZH9uAWM
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It has about 18 minutes of highlights, and just two or three minutes of analysis afterwards. Unlike now, where you might see five minutes of a match, followed by ten minutes of yap. Have to say I prefer the 1980s approach...."
Far too much talking and over analysing games to death. I've given up watching the Sunday evening programme for that reason.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2097 - 11/05/2022 10:15:36    2416422

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I think the Association made a big boo-boo in reducing the length of the inter-county season so drastically in recent years. Now, August and September have been completely yielded to competitor sports, but RTE can't really offer any more slots at peak times (Saturdays and Sundays) to accommodate the higher volumes of games. So matches which definitely would have been televised in the past (such as the Dubs v. Meath) are not being shown live any more.

It makes sense to either offer more games on streaming or allow other channels to bid for the remaining games, but let's see if that happens in the near future."
Would agree with you that more games could be streamed. For example, there's probably not many Wexford people going to make the trip to Mullingar to see the hurling match v Westmeath this weekend (about a five-hour round trip from Wexford town), but a good few would probably pay €10 to be able to stream and watch it at home.

Can't agree with you about the so-called "big boo-boo" in reducing the length of the inter-county season, though. As my county man StoreysTash has pointed out further up, you must have no involvement in the club game at all, or no regard for it.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 11/05/2022 11:17:22    2416445

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Would agree with you that more games could be streamed. For example, there's probably not many Wexford people going to make the trip to Mullingar to see the hurling match v Westmeath this weekend (about a five-hour round trip from Wexford town), but a good few would probably pay €10 to be able to stream and watch it at home.

Can't agree with you about the so-called "big boo-boo" in reducing the length of the inter-county season, though. As my county man StoreysTash has pointed out further up, you must have no involvement in the club game at all, or no regard for it."
Anyone with involvement in club game past or present will know that the thing about having more games in August and running off the championships more efficiently is a red herring. As will be proven and indeed is already been proven if you look at the master fixtures lists for counties.


Those who can not see the error made in reducing the prominence of the All Ireland championships are not seeing the full picture. Spillane and Donal Óg and others are 100% correct regarding the consequences.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 11/05/2022 11:40:16    2416454

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Anyone with involvement in club game past or present will know that the thing about having more games in August and running off the championships more efficiently is a red herring. As will be proven and indeed is already been proven if you look at the master fixtures lists for counties.


Those who can not see the error made in reducing the prominence of the All Ireland championships are not seeing the full picture. Spillane and Donal Óg and others are 100% correct regarding the consequences."
Certainly not a red herring here in Wexford anyway, Barney. For the first time ever, County Board here was able to fully and properly plan our entire hurling and football club championships as early as February, and get all the dates out to clubs so that they could properly plan too.

We've actually got three master fixtures lists - the one used will be determined by how far our hurlers go in the championship and our footballers in the Tailteann Cup. It means that as soon as both county sides are finished, clubs will know which of the master calendars will apply, and will have ten days to two weeks notice of their first championship match. They won't be left waiting around to see what happens next.

Maybe other counties aren't as organised or efficient as the folks here are (!), but that doesn't mean that at least the potential doesn't exist to plan things properly from early in the year, in the way that Wexford has done.

I'd be curious to see some of these other master fixtures lists for other counties that you claim have already proven your point. Can you put up some links or direct me towards them some other way?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 11/05/2022 13:46:55    2416506

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "You must not be a club player Gleebo. I was very close to quitting the game before covid hit because of the poor planning and "club players stand ready" attitude of county boards. County team knocked out, cancel all plans club players was how we were treated.
All I and any club player wanted was a fixtures calendar. Nothing more, nothing less. And for the effort we put in that is not that unreasonable."
I'm retired, Storey's Tash, though in my time I played club football and hurling, as well as handball.

To me, what you're saying is not unreasonable, there is an unwarranted burden on the club player. But to me, that could be solved by county boards simply standing up to their employees, the senior county team managers, and insisting that players be released for club championship duty during the summer. As it understand it they're quite liberal on that in a few counties (Kilkenny and Tyrone spring to mind) and it hasn't done their county sides any harm?

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 11/05/2022 14:13:33    2416515

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "You must not be a club player Gleebo. I was very close to quitting the game before covid hit because of the poor planning and "club players stand ready" attitude of county boards. County team knocked out, cancel all plans club players was how we were treated.
All I and any club player wanted was a fixtures calendar. Nothing more, nothing less. And for the effort we put in that is not that unreasonable."
Would you be happier if the GAA decided to have a split between club and county players, to let club and county games run alongside each other and club game schedules not be decided by what the county teams are doing? If county decides to let players back to clubs, very unlikely, so be it but club players and coaches deserve more respect. Should be allowed play their games in summer, organise holidays based on club calendar, not be waiting on a couple of county lads, probably fairly tired at the end of their season to return before the club championships start. In what other sports do players advance to the next level but the schedules of their previous lesser local level get held up because their club player is good enough to get to the next level. He can go back and play for them when his senior level team's season has finished or he's retired from that senior team. You don't see local soccer leagues or AIL games put on hold because they're waiting for League of Ireland or Provincial rugby players to finish their season. And then the GAA will talk out of both sides of their mouth about player welfare ignoring county players going back to play an even longer season for their club after working hard for the county while club players wait patiently. Too patiently!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7704 - 11/05/2022 14:39:25    2416525

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Certainly not a red herring here in Wexford anyway, Barney. For the first time ever, County Board here was able to fully and properly plan our entire hurling and football club championships as early as February, and get all the dates out to clubs so that they could properly plan too.

We've actually got three master fixtures lists - the one used will be determined by how far our hurlers go in the championship and our footballers in the Tailteann Cup. It means that as soon as both county sides are finished, clubs will know which of the master calendars will apply, and will have ten days to two weeks notice of their first championship match. They won't be left waiting around to see what happens next.

Maybe other counties aren't as organised or efficient as the folks here are (!), but that doesn't mean that at least the potential doesn't exist to plan things properly from early in the year, in the way that Wexford has done.

I'd be curious to see some of these other master fixtures lists for other counties that you claim have already proven your point. Can you put up some links or direct me towards them some other way?"
Dublin has no dates for any games following the end of June.

Fair play if Wexford have such a schedule and stick to it. It's a pretty efficient set up anyway is it not?

Apart from that, do you not think that it is an own goal not to have our Big Ticket games up front and central through the Summer with the finals at the earliest in last two weeks of August? Or that doing so really makes a difference to vast majority of club players where the impact of inter county is negligible.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 11/05/2022 14:48:56    2416526

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