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Replying To Saynothing:  "To be fair it's not about the spectators it's the players."
I agree, but frankly I can't afford to go to Carrick and Dublin for a day each on the same weekend so selfishly, I'm gutted to have to miss one. I'd imagine this is true of many Kildare fans and families who'll have to choose. Will make for a slightly poor turnout in carrick and I'd imagine a very poor one in the Leinster Semi if most people are thinking the same way as I am about which game to go to

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 09/05/2022 18:42:19    2416058

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A bit odd Croke Park wasn't chosen or even mentioned for this upcoming All-Ireland final.

Apparently Breffni Park was the other option. The Leinster double header on Sunday won't even be half full so why wasn't this Kildare v Tyrone match scheduled before the two Leinster semi finals.

Kildare supporters should be fairly annoyed with this. Instead of seeing both teams in one venue it's off to Carrick on Shannon on Saturday that will cost 25€ for match tickets and 30€ to attend the senior semi final on Sunday

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3759 - 09/05/2022 19:49:12    2416066

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Replying To jimski:  "The 2018 Final (Kildare v Mayo) was played as a curtain-raiser before a Dublin Super 8 game and worked fine?"
This game would potentially have to start at 11:30 with extra time and penalties being a possibility and even at that it would be tight. Would it be fair to ask Tyrone supporters to get to Croker for that time paying a premium for the other two games even though they probably wouldn't watch them.
The moaning from some of my county men is embarrassing at this stage. Get on with it.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 10/05/2022 09:33:29    2416111

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It sums up the crammed season we have with Kildare playing an All ireland under 20 final on Saturday in Leitrim and the following afternoon the seniors are playing the Leinster Football Semi Final , outside of the money physically it would challenge anyone drive to Carrick On Shannon ,get home , nights sleep, get up and organised for day two and go drive to Croke park the following morning and back again after match.

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 10/05/2022 11:12:18    2416175

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I hate to say I told you so, but as Pat Spillane said on Sunday, this mad rush to finish everything in a few months is a total disaster long term. The GAA is a competitor with the FAI and the rest. Not some sort of affable uncle who is there to accommodate every Tom, Dick and Harry which seems to be the real motivation behind "freeing up" venues.

GAA sports as part of the national public sphere are going to disappear for 6 months or more.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2574 - 10/05/2022 11:59:15    2416203

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "I agree, but frankly I can't afford to go to Carrick and Dublin for a day each on the same weekend so selfishly, I'm gutted to have to miss one. I'd imagine this is true of many Kildare fans and families who'll have to choose. Will make for a slightly poor turnout in carrick and I'd imagine a very poor one in the Leinster Semi if most people are thinking the same way as I am about which game to go to"
I agree with you, Kildare playing the following day, perfect for double header. I was getting at the Yank for saying it would be cheaper in Carrick. Whole structure is as mess when we'll have no top grade football from early summer on.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2015 - 10/05/2022 12:49:56    2416223

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Replying To daytona11:  "This game would potentially have to start at 11:30 with extra time and penalties being a possibility and even at that it would be tight. Would it be fair to ask Tyrone supporters to get to Croker for that time paying a premium for the other two games even though they probably wouldn't watch them.
The moaning from some of my county men is embarrassing at this stage. Get on with it."
Then drop the prices, the extra crowd would make up the difference. Stadium is open anyways. Plus all the talk about going greener yet ask Kildare people to drive twice. Is there anyone with a bit of wit in the GAA.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2015 - 10/05/2022 12:58:01    2416225

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I hate to say I told you so, but as Pat Spillane said on Sunday, this mad rush to finish everything in a few months is a total disaster long term. The GAA is a competitor with the FAI and the rest. Not some sort of affable uncle who is there to accommodate every Tom, Dick and Harry which seems to be the real motivation behind "freeing up" venues.

GAA sports as part of the national public sphere are going to disappear for 6 months or more."
And so be it. Grass roots and local level games are the most important fabric of our games. We couldn't go on with the intercounty season being spread over 10 months anymore. That was in fact the reason why we were losing players to other games. I'd argue that the u20 grade should be done away with anyway and perhaps have an u19 grade rather than minor.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 10/05/2022 13:09:32    2416230

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Replying To daytona11:  "And so be it. Grass roots and local level games are the most important fabric of our games. We couldn't go on with the intercounty season being spread over 10 months anymore. That was in fact the reason why we were losing players to other games. I'd argue that the u20 grade should be done away with anyway and perhaps have an u19 grade rather than minor."
On one hand you're arguing about losing players to other sports and on the other your saying get rid of one of the grades that keep them playing. Sorry you are way off. U20 is often the most entertaining football you'll see. Dublin v Kildare and Tyrone v Kerry were brilliant games to watch. Keeping grass roots is served well by having top level elite county teams as an inspiration and aspiration. Playing the u20 in a very small provincial ground is degrading the competition a bit which the management teams of both counties are entitled to complain about.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 11/05/2022 07:34:03    2416396

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Replying To jonno:  "On one hand you're arguing about losing players to other sports and on the other your saying get rid of one of the grades that keep them playing. Sorry you are way off. U20 is often the most entertaining football you'll see. Dublin v Kildare and Tyrone v Kerry were brilliant games to watch. Keeping grass roots is served well by having top level elite county teams as an inspiration and aspiration. Playing the u20 in a very small provincial ground is degrading the competition a bit which the management teams of both counties are entitled to complain about."
I'm arguing that we shouldn't be running lads into the ground being on 4-5 teams including schools, colleges, county and club. Lads on the teams will tell you this. it's why we see most lads finished up at 25/26 at intercounty level and it's getting younger at club level too these days.

Where would you have played the game? Croke Park for this weekend wasn't an option. Would Cavan have made that much of a difference to people?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 11/05/2022 10:17:18    2416423

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Replying To daytona11:  "I'm arguing that we shouldn't be running lads into the ground being on 4-5 teams including schools, colleges, county and club. Lads on the teams will tell you this. it's why we see most lads finished up at 25/26 at intercounty level and it's getting younger at club level too these days.

Where would you have played the game? Croke Park for this weekend wasn't an option. Would Cavan have made that much of a difference to people?"
Most counties have development teams from age 14 up. Whoever makes it U20 may or may not go on to be senior. For those years of dedication and playing together they reach a stage and for some it may be the highest level they ever play at.
Croke Park is more fitting to the occasion.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 11/05/2022 15:01:08    2416529

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Replying To daytona11:  "I'm arguing that we shouldn't be running lads into the ground being on 4-5 teams including schools, colleges, county and club. Lads on the teams will tell you this. it's why we see most lads finished up at 25/26 at intercounty level and it's getting younger at club level too these days.

Where would you have played the game? Croke Park for this weekend wasn't an option. Would Cavan have made that much of a difference to people?"
Cavan was patchy and cut to bits last weekend, not worthy of an all Ireland semi, certainly not a final.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 11/05/2022 15:56:49    2416545

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Replying To jonno:  "Most counties have development teams from age 14 up. Whoever makes it U20 may or may not go on to be senior. For those years of dedication and playing together they reach a stage and for some it may be the highest level they ever play at.
Croke Park is more fitting to the occasion."
Kind of half answered the question there.

When would you have played it in Croker? For it to be played as a curtain raiser on Sunday to the Kildare Westmeath match it would have had to start at 11:30 or 11:45 given the fact that extra time and were a possibility. Would you think it fair to ask Tyrone fans to come down for that on a Sunday?
If they pushed the u20 game out by another week you'd complaining about having to go in two weeks in a row.

Whatever the GAA did people would moan and give out. This weekend though was extremely tight on venues and times.

Our hurlers are playing in the Christy Ring Cup on Saturday. I'm shocked that nobody is calling for that to be played in Croker too. LOL.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 11/05/2022 16:34:40    2416560

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Replying To jonno:  "Most counties have development teams from age 14 up. Whoever makes it U20 may or may not go on to be senior. For those years of dedication and playing together they reach a stage and for some it may be the highest level they ever play at.
Croke Park is more fitting to the occasion."
I do see your point though. Why is the game this weekend? A 6 day turnaround for Tyrone? Awful. 5 games in 6 weeks for Kildare? Disgraceful. The integrity of the competition is being shot to bits by the way it's being run. Split season yet they're cramming everything in before May…

Sunday of next week in Croker would be perfect

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 11/05/2022 16:47:17    2416565

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "I do see your point though. Why is the game this weekend? A 6 day turnaround for Tyrone? Awful. 5 games in 6 weeks for Kildare? Disgraceful. The integrity of the competition is being shot to bits by the way it's being run. Split season yet they're cramming everything in before May…

Sunday of next week in Croker would be perfect"
I don't think as a standalone fixture in Croker it would work.

Potentially they could have scheduled it with the Ring Cup Final which would have been ideal. Play the Lory Meagher and Rackard cups on the Sunday then as a double header.

Would all Kildare fans stick around for the Ring Cup though? It'd be a bit embarrassing looking at people leaving to be honest.

You can't wait much longer than that. Clubs need access to the u20 players again.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 11/05/2022 18:10:58    2416584

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Replying To jonno:  "Most counties have development teams from age 14 up. Whoever makes it U20 may or may not go on to be senior. For those years of dedication and playing together they reach a stage and for some it may be the highest level they ever play at.
Croke Park is more fitting to the occasion."
Why is Croke park more fitting to the occasion?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1716 - 11/05/2022 19:11:02    2416597

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I don't think the venue decision was the right one but it's time to move on. The lads on both teams have did really well to make it to an All Ireland final and deserve people to get behind them. It should be an excellent game and an extra 20/25 minutes in the car (compared to other suggestions like Dublin/Navan/Cavan) isn't going to put me off attending.

A Another (None) - Posts: 193 - 12/05/2022 08:13:32    2416611

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Good luck to the Kildare U20s in the All-Ireland Final today. Has all the makings of a great game. C,'mon lads, bring it home. Cill Dara Abú!!!

LilywhiteGael (Kildare) - Posts: 93 - 14/05/2022 12:25:53    2416991

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "Cavan was patchy and cut to bits last weekend, not worthy of an all Ireland semi, certainly not a final."
Surprised to hear that, it's new surface in Breffni Park. The Carrick pitch wouldn't be as good as it.

On this final both have come through tough challenges. Kildare just edging Dublin, Offaly, Laois and Tyrone doing simliar against Donegal, Cavan and Kerry.

Tyrone are relying more on one forward in Canavan for their scores while Kildare have a spread from Bagnell, Fanning and the last day Browne.

Both have defended well in this competition and few win All-Ireland without first having a decent defence. A hard game to call but I'd side with Kildare in a close competitive contest.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 14/05/2022 14:16:54    2417017

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Its an all ireland there to win and location shouldn't even enter your head. And anyhow traditionally the under21/20 has never been played on croke park and don't know why folks have their knickers in a knot. I've no problem playing matches more or less week on week either. Why wait around. A lot of these lads have exams coming up and there is loads of club football to play.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 696 - 14/05/2022 14:46:38    2417028

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