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Tyrone Vs Derry

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What's gone wrong in Tyrone. They were dead ducks. There for the taking. Only a few put up any challenge. So unlike the brilliant Tyrone of last August.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 869 - 03/05/2022 12:40:43    2414561

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Derry are getting to the level that they probably should be at. The club scene is very vibrant and if you are to look at underage they've been very competitive at particularly minor winning ulsters getting to all ireland finals and winning the 2020 all ireland. Their schools are always at the top end of the mccrory cup and pushing all irelands. I'd say Gallagher has a plan to keep pushing this bunch. They kind of abandoned the under 20s this year by keeping the best of them involved with the seniors. For all the focus on Armagh recently they are much less successful at underage intercounty level.

Tyrone won the all ireland last year but it wasn't a new team. Mattie donnelly and Peter harte are in their thirties. A good chunk of the rest based off the under 21 winners of 2015 Hampsey, rory brennan, McGeary, Burns, McShane, Meyler, Mark Bradley. Bradley left this year. They put a lot into winning that all ireland over a number of years and no doubt celebrated it fully. It's very hard to get to the levels again and Gallagher also had them lined up from the second the draw was made. Derry were very good and were going to win no matter what. The sending off followed by the penalty made the second half  easy enough pickings as long as they stuck to their system. In truth they could have been in for a few more goals.

The Tyrone players will be hurt and can reset but the draw will be a bit factor and there is no run of games. The one thing I find a little puzzling is them not integrating fresh players. Kilpatrick was a big success last year. Canavan has been a little fleeting because of injury . Though they've won three of the last 4 ulster under 20s won the first under 17 all ireland in 2017 and are there enough players being integrated from them teams. And if you wait too long, relying on the established players you can end up losing the best of the next batch. Even if tyrone can't reestablish themselves this year the future is never too bleak for them. They also had very talented minor team last year and again this year.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 640 - 03/05/2022 13:05:58    2414572

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Tyrone proving last year was a fluke. Very poor stuff. Hard for them to win when they don't play against 14 men for an entire match or mess Kerry around with fixtures."
It was no fluke, a bit of luck yes but every team needs some luck. Was Murphy sent off before the throw last year or how do you come up with 14 men for entire game. They haven't gone away ye know.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 03/05/2022 13:06:24    2414573

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Tyrone s AI win last year was no fluke. I don't know where anyone gets that from. They were phenomenal in the semi final and final. Kerry were probably a bit complacent but Mayo was well ready. Kerry had no answer for what they brought. They will be hurting badly after Sunday and that's when they are at their most dangerous. Derry were brilliant and we will see if it was their AI or will they be as ready for Monaghan who have been impressive. That's the test for them. The draw for the qualifiers will be interesting to say the least.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 869 - 03/05/2022 14:41:30    2414615

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That was only Derrys 2nd Ulster championship win in ten years, a truly remarkable result.

A few more stats.

That's the 4th time Derry have beaten the reigning All Ireland champions. (1992 Down, 1993 Donegal & 2006 Tyrone)

Tyrone's loss Sunday is just the 9th time that the defending AI champions have lost by 11+ pts

1894 Wex to Dub (16)

1903 Dub to Kild (14)

1955 Mea to Dub (20)

1967 Gal to May (11)

1971 Ker to Cor (11)

1978 Dub to Ker (17)

2001 Kerr to Mea (15)

2013 Don to May (16)

2022 Tyr to Der (11)

Derry's win is the 13th time that a Div 2 side has beaten a Div 1 side by 11+ points in the championship and it's the first time ever that one of those teams were the defending champions.

The last time a Div 2 side beat a Div 1 side by 11+ points was Galway beating Donegal by 15pts in 2017 (Rory Gallagher was managing Donegal then)

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2902 - 03/05/2022 14:43:32    2414618

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Heard sean on Rte he reckons Monaghan will win Ulster now, he doesn't think Donna-Gall will do it, where in Trone is he from anyway?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2118 - 03/05/2022 20:16:45    2414751

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A few things, I see dick clerkin leaning towards the view that Tyrone's all Ireland win was down to luck!! What planet is he on? Also Rory Gallagher being lauded as some sort of footballing messiah to Derry?? Nothing to do with the fantastic work being done over the last 6 to 7 years at minor level in Derry....Derry fully merited their win on Sunday. Rory Gallagher has won nothing as a manager has lost finals in ulster at u21 ,and senior level and was also unable to get a talented kilcar team out of their championship group....maybe that will change this year.....but the crowd does not applaud the tenor for clearing his throat

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 651 - 03/05/2022 21:29:07    2414756

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Heard sean on Rte he reckons Monaghan will win Ulster now, he doesn't think Donna-Gall will do it, where in Trone is he from anyway?"
Funniest post I have seen in a while!!

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 818 - 04/05/2022 09:51:35    2414784

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Replying To totalrecall:  "A few things, I see dick clerkin leaning towards the view that Tyrone's all Ireland win was down to luck!! What planet is he on? Also Rory Gallagher being lauded as some sort of footballing messiah to Derry?? Nothing to do with the fantastic work being done over the last 6 to 7 years at minor level in Derry....Derry fully merited their win on Sunday. Rory Gallagher has won nothing as a manager has lost finals in ulster at u21 ,and senior level and was also unable to get a talented kilcar team out of their championship group....maybe that will change this year.....but the crowd does not applaud the tenor for clearing his throat"
Clerkin has always had a chip on his shoulder regarding Tyrone. Probably due to the amount of times he has been beaten out the gate by us.

I can't remember him ever actually writing a genuinely positive article about Tyrone. Which is surprising as he tends to focus quite a bit on Tyrone football when writing his piece.

Your point regarding Gallagher is spot on. And I said this in one of my earlier posts. Derry have won nothing yet. I actually think they are a very talented group of players and they were exceptional on Sunday. There is no reason why they couldn't go on and win Ulster. But I do worry that they will buy into the hype.

Gallagher and his players need to be honest with themselves about how bad Tyrone were on Sunday and realise that Monaghan and Donegal/Cavan will be completely different. Their quarter final win cannot be their All Ireland.

At this point in time Derry are still a division 2 team that has just won their first Ulster Championship match in 6 years. Nothing more.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 818 - 04/05/2022 09:59:01    2414787

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Replying To Wally:  "Clerkin has always had a chip on his shoulder regarding Tyrone. Probably due to the amount of times he has been beaten out the gate by us.

I can't remember him ever actually writing a genuinely positive article about Tyrone. Which is surprising as he tends to focus quite a bit on Tyrone football when writing his piece.

Your point regarding Gallagher is spot on. And I said this in one of my earlier posts. Derry have won nothing yet. I actually think they are a very talented group of players and they were exceptional on Sunday. There is no reason why they couldn't go on and win Ulster. But I do worry that they will buy into the hype.

Gallagher and his players need to be honest with themselves about how bad Tyrone were on Sunday and realise that Monaghan and Donegal/Cavan will be completely different. Their quarter final win cannot be their All Ireland.

At this point in time Derry are still a division 2 team that has just won their first Ulster Championship match in 6 years. Nothing more."
Fully agree with your post. Credit must be given where its due. Derry were brilliant on Sunday and had spent hours and hours getting ready for that game with Tyrone. They've won nothing yet and let's see how they get on against Monaghan.
Tyrone were phenomenal in their last 3 matches last year and neither Dick Clerkin nor anyone else can take their fully deserved All Ireland away from them.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 869 - 04/05/2022 19:21:09    2414929

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