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The question will be asked in years to come who was the last team from the top 16 counties that Carlow senior footballers played in the LSF championship in 2022 before the Tailteann Cup kicked off.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 24/04/2022 14:41:54    2412730

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A few other questions may be asked as well but that's sport for you. In fairness

I wasn't expecting a Carlow win, Louth football is on the up especially since Mickey Harte took on the manager's job of the Louth senior football team.
It is blatantly obvious that there is issues to be dealt with once and for all in relation to Carlow football, most of Carlow's genuine supporters know where to start and what needs to be done, it is my thinking that to play football in the Tailteann Cup is not going to be enough to improve standard of Carlow football, a totally new approach must be taken to convince lads to buy into the game long term, by the same token the purse strings must be loosened a superior back room team must be put in situ to support the full panel both mentally and physically, a team manager, a team coach and assists from the highest level possible be sought as of now, along with that a respected S & C person(s) complete with a full programme of how it should be done, professionally.

Carlow football needs a P.R.O with ambition, one who makes him / her self-available, or at least to be seen and / or heard,
My small list here is only the tip of the ice berg as they say, there are lots of issues to be dealt with before Carlow football starts to move in the right direction.

Anyway it can only get better, and it will. But only if all involved buys into the rescue plan.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 24/04/2022 21:27:00    2412899

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Management is there and may not be there in a few weeks time.
Hard for Management if results are not forthcoming.
Hard for players also.
You ask for purse strings to be loosened... the players have what they want and get in other counties as far as I can see.
If you are talking about bringing in a named manager... who do you suggest and what difference would it make to have a marquee manager and who would actually take the job and how much would it cost and would players currently not on the panel buy into that and most importantly would current players be happy to see others come back due to a marquee manager?
If it were that simple I suggest,that would have happened years ago.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1700 - 26/04/2022 19:49:45    2413449

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Replying To carlowman:  "Management is there and may not be there in a few weeks time.
Hard for Management if results are not forthcoming.
Hard for players also.
You ask for purse strings to be loosened... the players have what they want and get in other counties as far as I can see.
If you are talking about bringing in a named manager... who do you suggest and what difference would it make to have a marquee manager and who would actually take the job and how much would it cost and would players currently not on the panel buy into that and most importantly would current players be happy to see others come back due to a marquee manager?
If it were that simple I suggest,that would have happened years ago."
I take on board what you are saying carlowman, and I understand your annoyance with a couple of posts, mine being one of them, for the moment, if you look at inconsistency in Carlow's game to game, Against London

1st game,Carlow were 0-09 up at half time, the final score was London 2-11 Carlow 1-13.

Second game against a Cavan team that topped the table and got promoted, final score, Cavan 0-19 Carlow 1-12, lost by 0-04

Third game saw Carlow beat Waterford, final score Carlow 2-12 Waterford 2-08'

Fourth game, saw the biggest score of the 7 games, scored against Carlow, from a Sligo side that finished mid table, two places above Carlow in div.4.

Fifth game Carlow draw with Wexford final score, Carlow 0-14 Wexford 1-11, the same Wexford side that beat a very fancied Offaly team in the Leinster senior championship.

The sixth game saw Carlow beaten by 2nd placed Tipperary, final score Tipp. 2-16 Carlow 0-11, Carlow lost to table toppers Cavan by 0-04 and by 0-11 to second placed Tipp, doesn't add up if you know what I mean, inconsistency perhaps.

Last game, Leitrim 2-14 Carlow 1-10. It's as if their hearts and heads dropped.

In the LSF championship last week saw Louth beat Carlow on a score line of Louth 5-10 Carlow 0-10, the bottom line is Carlow was beaten by 5-00 or 00-15 by a Louth side that was promoted to div 2, whereas Sligo beat Carlow by 0-28, 0-13 more than the defeat to Louth, just to repeat a Sligo team that finished mid table of div. 4 of the nfl.

A couple of questions and feel free not to answer, Wicklow finished bottom of Div.3 second from the bottom was Laois, in the LSF championship Laois went into the game against Wicklow as warm favourites if for no other reason than historic, yet Wicklow banged in 5-15 and won by 00-06, Wicklow had their share of inexperience and youth, similar to Carlow, why can't Carlow do something similar.

Wicklow had their share of bad luck with managers, they went for a short while with none, a couple of weeks ago the put together a management team of a local duo, they succeeded in turning the game around with an impressive win against Laois, so a marquee type manager is not necessarily a must, I have nothing personal against the current manager, I think its quiet normal for any supporter to question results and performances, positive or negative.
I would have no problem if Niall Carew stayed on as manager provided he was ably assisted with a progressive coach.
A functional P.R.O needed, more info on work in progress,
As for purse strings / finance, there's always something that can be improved on.
Little inter county visual progress has been made over the years.

I take on board your concerns never the less.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 27/04/2022 09:30:20    2413494

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Replying To supersub15:  "I take on board what you are saying carlowman, and I understand your annoyance with a couple of posts, mine being one of them, for the moment, if you look at inconsistency in Carlow's game to game, Against London

1st game,Carlow were 0-09 up at half time, the final score was London 2-11 Carlow 1-13.

Second game against a Cavan team that topped the table and got promoted, final score, Cavan 0-19 Carlow 1-12, lost by 0-04

Third game saw Carlow beat Waterford, final score Carlow 2-12 Waterford 2-08'

Fourth game, saw the biggest score of the 7 games, scored against Carlow, from a Sligo side that finished mid table, two places above Carlow in div.4.

Fifth game Carlow draw with Wexford final score, Carlow 0-14 Wexford 1-11, the same Wexford side that beat a very fancied Offaly team in the Leinster senior championship.

The sixth game saw Carlow beaten by 2nd placed Tipperary, final score Tipp. 2-16 Carlow 0-11, Carlow lost to table toppers Cavan by 0-04 and by 0-11 to second placed Tipp, doesn't add up if you know what I mean, inconsistency perhaps.

Last game, Leitrim 2-14 Carlow 1-10. It's as if their hearts and heads dropped.

In the LSF championship last week saw Louth beat Carlow on a score line of Louth 5-10 Carlow 0-10, the bottom line is Carlow was beaten by 5-00 or 00-15 by a Louth side that was promoted to div 2, whereas Sligo beat Carlow by 0-28, 0-13 more than the defeat to Louth, just to repeat a Sligo team that finished mid table of div. 4 of the nfl.

A couple of questions and feel free not to answer, Wicklow finished bottom of Div.3 second from the bottom was Laois, in the LSF championship Laois went into the game against Wicklow as warm favourites if for no other reason than historic, yet Wicklow banged in 5-15 and won by 00-06, Wicklow had their share of inexperience and youth, similar to Carlow, why can't Carlow do something similar.

Wicklow had their share of bad luck with managers, they went for a short while with none, a couple of weeks ago the put together a management team of a local duo, they succeeded in turning the game around with an impressive win against Laois, so a marquee type manager is not necessarily a must, I have nothing personal against the current manager, I think its quiet normal for any supporter to question results and performances, positive or negative.
I would have no problem if Niall Carew stayed on as manager provided he was ably assisted with a progressive coach.
A functional P.R.O needed, more info on work in progress,
As for purse strings / finance, there's always something that can be improved on.
Little inter county visual progress has been made over the years.

I take on board your concerns never the less."
Just for the record you have the running order all wrong. First it was London at home- 1 point loss
Silgo away- Hammered
Waterford at home - 4 point win
Cavan away- 4 point loss
Leitrim at home- 7 point loss
Tipp away- big defeat
Wexford home - draw

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 142 - 27/04/2022 12:03:59    2413564

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Replying To supersub15:  "I take on board what you are saying carlowman, and I understand your annoyance with a couple of posts, mine being one of them, for the moment, if you look at inconsistency in Carlow's game to game, Against London

1st game,Carlow were 0-09 up at half time, the final score was London 2-11 Carlow 1-13.

Second game against a Cavan team that topped the table and got promoted, final score, Cavan 0-19 Carlow 1-12, lost by 0-04

Third game saw Carlow beat Waterford, final score Carlow 2-12 Waterford 2-08'

Fourth game, saw the biggest score of the 7 games, scored against Carlow, from a Sligo side that finished mid table, two places above Carlow in div.4.

Fifth game Carlow draw with Wexford final score, Carlow 0-14 Wexford 1-11, the same Wexford side that beat a very fancied Offaly team in the Leinster senior championship.

The sixth game saw Carlow beaten by 2nd placed Tipperary, final score Tipp. 2-16 Carlow 0-11, Carlow lost to table toppers Cavan by 0-04 and by 0-11 to second placed Tipp, doesn't add up if you know what I mean, inconsistency perhaps.

Last game, Leitrim 2-14 Carlow 1-10. It's as if their hearts and heads dropped.

In the LSF championship last week saw Louth beat Carlow on a score line of Louth 5-10 Carlow 0-10, the bottom line is Carlow was beaten by 5-00 or 00-15 by a Louth side that was promoted to div 2, whereas Sligo beat Carlow by 0-28, 0-13 more than the defeat to Louth, just to repeat a Sligo team that finished mid table of div. 4 of the nfl.

A couple of questions and feel free not to answer, Wicklow finished bottom of Div.3 second from the bottom was Laois, in the LSF championship Laois went into the game against Wicklow as warm favourites if for no other reason than historic, yet Wicklow banged in 5-15 and won by 00-06, Wicklow had their share of inexperience and youth, similar to Carlow, why can't Carlow do something similar.

Wicklow had their share of bad luck with managers, they went for a short while with none, a couple of weeks ago the put together a management team of a local duo, they succeeded in turning the game around with an impressive win against Laois, so a marquee type manager is not necessarily a must, I have nothing personal against the current manager, I think its quiet normal for any supporter to question results and performances, positive or negative.
I would have no problem if Niall Carew stayed on as manager provided he was ably assisted with a progressive coach.
A functional P.R.O needed, more info on work in progress,
As for purse strings / finance, there's always something that can be improved on.
Little inter county visual progress has been made over the years.

I take on board your concerns never the less."
And... Carlow beat Laois in E Og grounds in preparation for the championship!!! I realise it doesn't matter, but I believe we have the main set of players who have committed to the team that will be there for a number of years to come.

Perhaps another coach can develop the players further and that would be of course welcome.

As for PRO I am not sure exactly how you see that role being developed....

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1700 - 27/04/2022 12:17:23    2413570

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Replying To carlo:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "I take on board what you are saying carlowman, and I understand your annoyance with a couple of posts, mine being one of them, for the moment, if you look at inconsistency in Carlow's game to game, Against London

1st game,Carlow were 0-09 up at half time, the final score was London 2-11 Carlow 1-13.

Second game against a Cavan team that topped the table and got promoted, final score, Cavan 0-19 Carlow 1-12, lost by 0-04

Third game saw Carlow beat Waterford, final score Carlow 2-12 Waterford 2-08'

Fourth game, saw the biggest score of the 7 games, scored against Carlow, from a Sligo side that finished mid table, two places above Carlow in div.4.

Fifth game Carlow draw with Wexford final score, Carlow 0-14 Wexford 1-11, the same Wexford side that beat a very fancied Offaly team in the Leinster senior championship.

The sixth game saw Carlow beaten by 2nd placed Tipperary, final score Tipp. 2-16 Carlow 0-11, Carlow lost to table toppers Cavan by 0-04 and by 0-11 to second placed Tipp, doesn't add up if you know what I mean, inconsistency perhaps.

Last game, Leitrim 2-14 Carlow 1-10. It's as if their hearts and heads dropped.

In the LSF championship last week saw Louth beat Carlow on a score line of Louth 5-10 Carlow 0-10, the bottom line is Carlow was beaten by 5-00 or 00-15 by a Louth side that was promoted to div 2, whereas Sligo beat Carlow by 0-28, 0-13 more than the defeat to Louth, just to repeat a Sligo team that finished mid table of div. 4 of the nfl.

A couple of questions and feel free not to answer, Wicklow finished bottom of Div.3 second from the bottom was Laois, in the LSF championship Laois went into the game against Wicklow as warm favourites if for no other reason than historic, yet Wicklow banged in 5-15 and won by 00-06, Wicklow had their share of inexperience and youth, similar to Carlow, why can't Carlow do something similar.

Wicklow had their share of bad luck with managers, they went for a short while with none, a couple of weeks ago the put together a management team of a local duo, they succeeded in turning the game around with an impressive win against Laois, so a marquee type manager is not necessarily a must, I have nothing personal against the current manager, I think its quiet normal for any supporter to question results and performances, positive or negative.
I would have no problem if Niall Carew stayed on as manager provided he was ably assisted with a progressive coach.
A functional P.R.O needed, more info on work in progress,
As for purse strings / finance, there's always something that can be improved on.
Little inter county visual progress has been made over the years.

I take on board your concerns never the less."
Just for the record you have the running order all wrong. First it was London at home- 1 point loss
Silgo away- Hammered
Waterford at home - 4 point win
Cavan away- 4 point loss
Leitrim at home- 7 point loss
Tipp away- big defeat
Wexford home - draw"
- - but the inconsistency carlo is still the same, that's a small thing than can be put right with a top coach to assist.

I made another mistake also, I'm surprised you didn't spot it, - -

I said Sligo beat Carlow by 00-28, that of course is not the case, it should have read Sligo beat Carlow on a score line of 00-28 to 00-05 that is a defeat of 00-23 which is 00-08 more than the defeat to Louth.

Like I said Louth is a div. 2 side where as Sligo is div. 4 mid table, another inconsistency, get a positive consistency into the side and you would probably get better results.

I hope I got it right this time and thanks for the reminder.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 27/04/2022 12:48:01    2413582

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Replying To carlowman:  "Management is there and may not be there in a few weeks time.
Hard for Management if results are not forthcoming.
Hard for players also.
You ask for purse strings to be loosened... the players have what they want and get in other counties as far as I can see.
If you are talking about bringing in a named manager... who do you suggest and what difference would it make to have a marquee manager and who would actually take the job and how much would it cost and would players currently not on the panel buy into that and most importantly would current players be happy to see others come back due to a marquee manager?
If it were that simple I suggest,that would have happened years ago."
Carlow doesn't need a "named" manager... that won't work. We need someone who understands the mentality here...

Our two most successful management teams of the last 50 years were helmed by a local... Paudie Doyle/Vincent Harvey, Turlough O'Brien/Stephen Poacher... I guess the 3rd most effective was Bobby Miller/JJ Lambert. Bobby may as well have been a local. From a few miles over the border and had trained at club level here for a good few years beforehand.

What we need is a local manager with a coach (from wherever) who can develop a style that suits our limitations/strengths.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 377 - 28/04/2022 09:17:51    2413759

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Replying To CARPS:  "Carlow doesn't need a "named" manager... that won't work. We need someone who understands the mentality here...

Our two most successful management teams of the last 50 years were helmed by a local... Paudie Doyle/Vincent Harvey, Turlough O'Brien/Stephen Poacher... I guess the 3rd most effective was Bobby Miller/JJ Lambert. Bobby may as well have been a local. From a few miles over the border and had trained at club level here for a good few years beforehand.

What we need is a local manager with a coach (from wherever) who can develop a style that suits our limitations/strengths."
Joe Murphy is with Naas, can't think of anyone else, can you.?

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 28/04/2022 10:09:40    2413782

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Next Carlow Senior Football Manager odds:

Joe Murphy 7/4
Stephen O'Meara 4/1
Pat Ryan 11/2
Brendan Hayden 7/1
Daniel St. Ledger 15/2
Johnny Nevin 11/1
Turlo O'Brien 11/1
Darren Leonard 14/1
Sean Gannon 16/1
Ger Brennan 16/1
Chris Conway 18/1
Barry Hayes 18/1
Willie Quinlan 20/1
Stephen Poacher 22/1
Ronan Dempsey 22/1
Ber Hennessy 22/1
Pado Flynn 25/1
Jordan Morrissey (player manager) 28/1
Robert Sansom 33/1
Dermot Early 33/1
Hamish Beaton 33/1
Jason Sherlock 40/1
Seanie Furlong 40/1
Damien Jordan 45/1
Kevin Regan, Joe Nolan & Stephen Bambrick 50/1
Chaz Murphy 66/1
Sparks Murphy 66/1
Tom Parsons 66/1
Jim McGuiness 80/1
Sam Allardyce 80/1
Jack McCaffrey 100/1
Brendan Murphy 100/1
Ryan Giggs (interim) 100/1
Jim Gavin 100/1
Pat Spillane 150/1

Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 63 - 28/04/2022 16:17:24    2413923

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Replying To Carlowrising:  "Next Carlow Senior Football Manager odds:

Joe Murphy 7/4
Stephen O'Meara 4/1
Pat Ryan 11/2
Brendan Hayden 7/1
Daniel St. Ledger 15/2
Johnny Nevin 11/1
Turlo O'Brien 11/1
Darren Leonard 14/1
Sean Gannon 16/1
Ger Brennan 16/1
Chris Conway 18/1
Barry Hayes 18/1
Willie Quinlan 20/1
Stephen Poacher 22/1
Ronan Dempsey 22/1
Ber Hennessy 22/1
Pado Flynn 25/1
Jordan Morrissey (player manager) 28/1
Robert Sansom 33/1
Dermot Early 33/1
Hamish Beaton 33/1
Jason Sherlock 40/1
Seanie Furlong 40/1
Damien Jordan 45/1
Kevin Regan, Joe Nolan & Stephen Bambrick 50/1
Chaz Murphy 66/1
Sparks Murphy 66/1
Tom Parsons 66/1
Jim McGuiness 80/1
Sam Allardyce 80/1
Jack McCaffrey 100/1
Brendan Murphy 100/1
Ryan Giggs (interim) 100/1
Jim Gavin 100/1
Pat Spillane 150/1"
You have way too much time on your hands.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 377 - 28/04/2022 19:32:06    2413957

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I expect a narrow win for kildare.

Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 257 - 30/04/2022 10:25:29    2414116

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