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Tailteann Cup 2022

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "The fact that most people aren't questioning why New York are in this and have got a bye to the quarter final is quite strange."
People accept the logistical reasons. New York cannot be traveling over every week. If they win their quarter-final, they can travel back 2 weeks later for the semi-final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 18/05/2022 09:54:33    2418281

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When they never played in the back door system why are they in this competition…. ? Pure and utter nonsense

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1897 - 18/05/2022 10:07:49    2418287

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "The fact that there is confusion about how the cup works and that they've changed how it works at the last minute, even temporarily is a complete and utter shambles and reflects poorly on the organisers of this particular cup and I hold out no great hopes it will be anything but a fly by night competition that will be dumped in two years, particularly as you will need two months next year to complete it...at least."
I think you'll find it was all laid down last December but no one passed any heed till a few days before the draw.
Then it was "why are they changing it"? Etc.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1399 - 18/05/2022 10:11:14    2418291

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Replying To totalrecall:  "Teams like Antrim, Leitrim, Carlow, Wicklow hardly ever see the inside of croke park"
And in fairness what difference does it make? I think the narrative needs to move away from the poor players who never play in Croke Park, what prestige is there in kicking a ball in a field in a vast cavernous and almost fully empty stadium. Be different if there was 82,000 at it. But that only happens twice a year, or at concerts!

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 18/05/2022 10:14:58    2418292

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Replying To legendzxix:  "People accept the logistical reasons. New York cannot be traveling over every week. If they win their quarter-final, they can travel back 2 weeks later for the semi-final."
The correct logistical outcome of it is that they shouldn't be in this competition. Wouldn't there be more prestige for them to get a bye to the 'elite' quarter final. But of course that wouldn't happen.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 18/05/2022 10:16:35    2418293

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "The correct logistical outcome of it is that they shouldn't be in this competition. Wouldn't there be more prestige for them to get a bye to the 'elite' quarter final. But of course that wouldn't happen."
The correct logistical outcome of it is that they shouldn't be in this competition. Wouldn't there be more prestige for them to get a bye to the 'elite' quarter final. But of course that wouldn't happen.
weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 15 - 18/05/2022 10:16:35

The logical thing to do is to give them a bye to the final and then they would only have to travel over once.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 845 - 18/05/2022 10:49:30    2418309

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In 2023:
The Tailteann group winners will advance to the quarter-finals.
The Tailteann group runners-up will have home advantage in the Preliminary Quarter-finals.
The best 3 Tailteann group 3rd placed teams and New York will also qualify for the Preliminary Quarter-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 18/05/2022 11:03:17    2418324

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I think you'll find it was all laid down last December but no one passed any heed till a few days before the draw.
Then it was "why are they changing it"? Etc."
I think you are mistaken there. the decision to change it was only made recently into North and South and it begs the question as to why this is the case??

Some would say it is to cut down on travelling costs etc, but yet they have New York and London in it and no heed on Kerry having to travel to Donegal or vice versa in league games.

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 18/05/2022 11:05:32    2418325

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Replying To RHF:  "The correct logistical outcome of it is that they shouldn't be in this competition. Wouldn't there be more prestige for them to get a bye to the 'elite' quarter final. But of course that wouldn't happen.
weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 15 - 18/05/2022 10:16:35

The logical thing to do is to give them a bye to the final and then they would only have to travel over once."
Or just give them the trophu coz nobody else seems to care anyway!!!

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 18/05/2022 11:06:13    2418326

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Replying To RHF:  "The correct logistical outcome of it is that they shouldn't be in this competition. Wouldn't there be more prestige for them to get a bye to the 'elite' quarter final. But of course that wouldn't happen.
weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 15 - 18/05/2022 10:16:35

The logical thing to do is to give them a bye to the final and then they would only have to travel over once."
Why have a competition at all and just hand them the trophy? It would go down well seeing as there is an NY president after all.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 18/05/2022 11:07:43    2418328

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "The correct logistical outcome of it is that they shouldn't be in this competition. Wouldn't there be more prestige for them to get a bye to the 'elite' quarter final. But of course that wouldn't happen."
They're in the Connacht Championship every year as are London. They should be in the competition. No county complains when they have to go to New York and the great hospitality they receive over there. They're travelling a long way, bringing friends and families, visiting friends and families, putting a few quid in people's pockets over here when they arrive. The Tailteann is to give so-called weaker counties some games in championship of a similar standard. They're as much right to be in the Tailteann as any county.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 18/05/2022 11:22:38    2418334

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "They're in the Connacht Championship every year as are London. They should be in the competition. No county complains when they have to go to New York and the great hospitality they receive over there. They're travelling a long way, bringing friends and families, visiting friends and families, putting a few quid in people's pockets over here when they arrive. The Tailteann is to give so-called weaker counties some games in championship of a similar standard. They're as much right to be in the Tailteann as any county."
Well then they shouldn't be treated any differently to every other county and they should enter this particular cup at the same stage as everyone else, or in a preliminary round with London as to save travel costs in general. I'd say now you wouldn't get a plane full of people travelling over for this game and that is what, about 300-400 people

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 18/05/2022 11:53:25    2418343

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Replying To eoinog:  "I wish people would give the Tailteann Cup a chance. There are several layers in the hurling world and no one ever seems to be critical of it and I do believe the standard has improved in the weaker counties as a result. I don't see any issue with the north/south divide for the first round. No matter how you try to build it up a game like Sligo v Waterford for example isn't going to get the pulse racing irrespective of if the game is in Markievicz Park or Fraher field. All the away supporters would be easy to count. Antrim travelling to Carrick is much more appealing for Antrim as it's a journey that can be completed easily. Likewise Fermanagh v Cavan. The final needs to be a stand alone fixture, not a curtain raiser to the All Ireland Final. If it was played on the same day there would be an unholy row over tickets. Play it on its own with maybe a minor semi final before it. Then all clubs from the 2 competing counties can bring bus loads of U.12 and U.14 to headquarters for the game. I'm not in favour of 4 groups of 4 teams going forward. If you lose your first 2 games then the third game is a dead rubber. Roscommon know all about that as they made the qualifiers a few times and when they played their final game each year it was a damp squib. With a round of hurling fixtures to take place in the Munster championship it's already known who will be in the final. The format going forward must include competitive games, not just game's"
I do too. I am from a county who will probably never play in it, yet I live in a county where ambition should be to win it.
Lets face it, Wexford v Offaly in the football was in a sparse Wexford Park. Partly as there was other matches that weekend.
If the GAA wanted to promote it, they should give every Wexford person who buys a ticket for the Kilkenny game a free entry to the football. Plenty of people don't have the dosh to pay 20-25 euro in to Nowlan Park and fork out the same again the next day. Same with Tipperary, etc.

Lets face it, there is no way in this world that Leitrim or Wexford are even the remotest genuine Sam Maguire contenders. I don't know is it players ego drives the delusion or what. People in Wexford might recoil and say 10-12 years ago we were, but they had a once in a lifetime footballer in Matty Forde and another good crop came along. Maybe a Tailteann Cup run might encourage more players to tog for the county, I know 1 game v Offaly and a hammering from Dublin does them no good.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 18/05/2022 12:06:41    2418346

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "They're in the Connacht Championship every year as are London. They should be in the competition. No county complains when they have to go to New York and the great hospitality they receive over there. They're travelling a long way, bringing friends and families, visiting friends and families, putting a few quid in people's pockets over here when they arrive. The Tailteann is to give so-called weaker counties some games in championship of a similar standard. They're as much right to be in the Tailteann as any county."
So why do they not get a second chance and never have in qualifiers as it was set up to help weaker counties also??? Or participate in the league???

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 18/05/2022 12:13:16    2418353

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I do too. I am from a county who will probably never play in it, yet I live in a county where ambition should be to win it.
Lets face it, Wexford v Offaly in the football was in a sparse Wexford Park. Partly as there was other matches that weekend.
If the GAA wanted to promote it, they should give every Wexford person who buys a ticket for the Kilkenny game a free entry to the football. Plenty of people don't have the dosh to pay 20-25 euro in to Nowlan Park and fork out the same again the next day. Same with Tipperary, etc.

Lets face it, there is no way in this world that Leitrim or Wexford are even the remotest genuine Sam Maguire contenders. I don't know is it players ego drives the delusion or what. People in Wexford might recoil and say 10-12 years ago we were, but they had a once in a lifetime footballer in Matty Forde and another good crop came along. Maybe a Tailteann Cup run might encourage more players to tog for the county, I know 1 game v Offaly and a hammering from Dublin does them no good."
It is a timely reminder that Wexford got to an AI semi final in 2008, Leitrim in 1994. Why? A number of reasons, both had very good teams at these periods of time, also there was a much more level playing field in regards to spending on teams back in those days.

I think the provincials should be scrapped or moved out of the way of the AI championship, and have an open draw or group stages where everyone appears to have an equal chance of progressing. Should Wexford and Leitrim be happy to be gradually being moved out of competing for the AI, because let's face it, this particular cup is the beginning of that.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 18/05/2022 12:44:05    2418363

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Replying To howdareu:  "So why do they not get a second chance and never have in qualifiers as it was set up to help weaker counties also??? Or participate in the league???"
I think it's pretty obvious why they don't play in the league. But if you need that explained to you I'm not sure what to say.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 18/05/2022 12:48:51    2418364

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "The fact that most people aren't questioning why New York are in this and have got a bye to the quarter final is quite strange."
That has been mentioned here numerous times

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2379 - 18/05/2022 12:59:50    2418369

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Replying To oneoff:  "The exact same thing could happen to a team in the league and they'd be relegated. Is that unfair?"
They'd be aware of what they need to do near the end of the League, and when relegated, a team know instantly about it, whether by head to head or score difference. A team in 6th could go the whole rest of the Spring, their Provincial championship, and only find out they get knocked out of the Qualifiers when someone else reaches a final. Now tell me how that looks? Yet again another reason why the link should not be League only

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2379 - 18/05/2022 13:03:01    2418371

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Replying To howdareu:  "So why do they not get a second chance and never have in qualifiers as it was set up to help weaker counties also??? Or participate in the league???"
Ah here. Elon Musk and all his spacemen couldn't explain the logic there! But I suspect it has to a lot to do with keeping the money flowing into the GAA from the U.S.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 18/05/2022 13:03:03    2418372

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I think you'll find it was all laid down last December but no one passed any heed till a few days before the draw.
Then it was "why are they changing it"? Etc."
No, it wasn't. Details like all stars, player holidays (which are important to get buy in from the players) and details of Round 1 and QF games to be televised were all only released this week. We got some details last year, but not all

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2379 - 18/05/2022 13:05:20    2418373

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