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I wish people would give the Tailteann Cup a chance. There are several layers in the hurling world and no one ever seems to be critical of it and I do believe the standard has improved in the weaker counties as a result. I don't see any issue with the north/south divide for the first round. No matter how you try to build it up a game like Sligo v Waterford for example isn't going to get the pulse racing irrespective of if the game is in Markievicz Park or Fraher field. All the away supporters would be easy to count. Antrim travelling to Carrick is much more appealing for Antrim as it's a journey that can be completed easily. Likewise Fermanagh v Cavan. The final needs to be a stand alone fixture, not a curtain raiser to the All Ireland Final. If it was played on the same day there would be an unholy row over tickets. Play it on its own with maybe a minor semi final before it. Then all clubs from the 2 competing counties can bring bus loads of U.12 and U.14 to headquarters for the game. I'm not in favour of 4 groups of 4 teams going forward. If you lose your first 2 games then the third game is a dead rubber. Roscommon know all about that as they made the qualifiers a few times and when they played their final game each year it was a damp squib. With a round of hurling fixtures to take place in the Munster championship it's already known who will be in the final. The format going forward must include competitive games, not just game's eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2160 - 17/05/2022 10:55:44 2418023 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Some people are struggling with the concept that 2022 is an intermediary year for the football championship structures. Clare, an established Division 2 team, will most likely face a difficult opponent in the qualifiers and exit the championship. A provincial winner could exit at the quarter-final stage after their first championship defeat. In 2023, Clare will have 3 group games. If they lose their first game, they still have 2 more to try and make the preliminary quarter-finals. The provincial winner will also have 3 group games. Same applies in the Tailteann Cup. All teams will be guaranteed 3 group games." It is an intermediary year, we all know this. But then call it something else, or market it properly, or simply don't set it up so badly that the name of the tournament is ruined before it when starts. It needed the best of the best in terms of starts, to get everyone into it, to get excited by it. But they couldn't have done a worse job of it if they tried. It is abundantly clear that that haven't got the first clue how to deal with the lower counties. They set up a system that even the worst run county board wouldn't have done in their own Championship. The GAA sets standards for Boards in how to run their championships, what way groups should be set up, what way to run things off, and Boards have to work within these criteria (which still gives flexibility to differ from county to county). The GAA didn't even stick to their own basic rules when managing to mess this up. If a Board did this, it wouldn't be allowed. No point in calling it an intermediary year if they sink it before it gets going Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 17/05/2022 11:04:58 2418033 Link
The GAA seem to have an idea that to play in Croke Park is the ultimate goal for all players even if there is only 5,000 watching it. I wouldn't care if an all Ireland final was in the bog if I was playing in it as long as I won. Its more pat on the head type stuff. And some go along with it. weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 17/05/2022 13:51:55 2418117 Link
Replying To weatherfieldgael: "The GAA seem to have an idea that to play in Croke Park is the ultimate goal for all players even if there is only 5,000 watching it. I wouldn't care if an all Ireland final was in the bog if I was playing in it as long as I won. Its more pat on the head type stuff. And some go along with it." It has been a big carrot in the lower tier finals. The players want their day out in Croke Park. The Tailteann winners will be delighted after 2 Croke Park games and Sam Maguire qualification. The beaten semi-finalists and finalist will want that success. Then the magic begins! legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8976 - 17/05/2022 14:14:41 2418134 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "It is an intermediary year, we all know this. But then call it something else, or market it properly, or simply don't set it up so badly that the name of the tournament is ruined before it when starts. It needed the best of the best in terms of starts, to get everyone into it, to get excited by it. But they couldn't have done a worse job of it if they tried. It is abundantly clear that that haven't got the first clue how to deal with the lower counties. They set up a system that even the worst run county board wouldn't have done in their own Championship. The GAA sets standards for Boards in how to run their championships, what way groups should be set up, what way to run things off, and Boards have to work within these criteria (which still gives flexibility to differ from county to county). The GAA didn't even stick to their own basic rules when managing to mess this up. If a Board did this, it wouldn't be allowed. No point in calling it an intermediary year if they sink it before it gets going" The GAA sets standards for Boards???? This is the most shocking revelation of this thread. LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 621 - 17/05/2022 14:47:23 2418151 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "It is an intermediary year, we all know this. But then call it something else, or market it properly, or simply don't set it up so badly that the name of the tournament is ruined before it when starts. It needed the best of the best in terms of starts, to get everyone into it, to get excited by it. But they couldn't have done a worse job of it if they tried. It is abundantly clear that that haven't got the first clue how to deal with the lower counties. They set up a system that even the worst run county board wouldn't have done in their own Championship. The GAA sets standards for Boards in how to run their championships, what way groups should be set up, what way to run things off, and Boards have to work within these criteria (which still gives flexibility to differ from county to county). The GAA didn't even stick to their own basic rules when managing to mess this up. If a Board did this, it wouldn't be allowed. No point in calling it an intermediary year if they sink it before it gets going" Yeah it just shouldn't have been run this year. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4600 - 17/05/2022 15:09:51 2418165 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "It has been a big carrot in the lower tier finals. The players want their day out in Croke Park. The Tailteann winners will be delighted after 2 Croke Park games and Sam Maguire qualification. The beaten semi-finalists and finalist will want that success. Then the magic begins!" What lower tier finals? Most players have played in Croke Park in some shape or form at this stage. You were as well play a game in a supermarket car park as there when it is empty. It has the same effect. I think you're being slightly demeaning here now isn't you? weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 17/05/2022 15:15:54 2418168 Link
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú: "The GAA sets standards for Boards???? This is the most shocking revelation of this thread." I know, it'd make you wonder. But when I was on the committee of our club, we had an issue with a certain layout of a Championship. When we contacted, we were told the layout was above board, as it was within the stipulations of the GAA guidelines for Championships. They supply the Boards with this. So I know they have it. Yet they disregard it when setting up their own intercounty Championship. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 17/05/2022 15:19:47 2418170 Link
So what happens if a division three team or four team wins the thing but don't get promoted through the league??They get promoted to all Ireland series so that leaves 17 teams in it? And how do they balance it out as there will be uneven numbers in both competitions. howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 17/05/2022 16:14:02 2418189 Link
Replying To howdareu: "So what happens if a division three team or four team wins the thing but don't get promoted through the league??They get promoted to all Ireland series so that leaves 17 teams in it? And how do they balance it out as there will be uneven numbers in both competitions." I think the 6th team in Division 2 loses out. Very unfair. You could do well to stay up in a tough Division, maybe be level with a few teams, and lose out on this due to points difference. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 17/05/2022 16:29:37 2418195 Link
Replying To howdareu: "So what happens if a division three team or four team wins the thing but don't get promoted through the league??They get promoted to all Ireland series so that leaves 17 teams in it? And how do they balance it out as there will be uneven numbers in both competitions." Division 3 runner up misses out. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4600 - 17/05/2022 16:31:23 2418198 Link
Replying To howdareu: "So what happens if a division three team or four team wins the thing but don't get promoted through the league??They get promoted to all Ireland series so that leaves 17 teams in it? And how do they balance it out as there will be uneven numbers in both competitions." There's uneven numbers in 2022. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8151 - 17/05/2022 16:33:35 2418199 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "I think the 6th team in Division 2 loses out. Very unfair. You could do well to stay up in a tough Division, maybe be level with a few teams, and lose out on this due to points difference." I agree. Its absolutely ridiculous. howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 17/05/2022 16:49:29 2418205 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "There's uneven numbers in 2022." Which they've said will be intermediary. No team from Division 3 or 4 reached a provincial final, so the top tier is 16 teams. But there was allowance to increase it as needed (if Tipperary or Westmeath won last weekend) by inclusion of a preliminary round. That won't happen next year. It'll be strictly 16 Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 17/05/2022 16:57:21 2418206 Link
2023 will have 4 groups of 4. Each team will have 1 home game, 1 away game and 1 neutral game. I'm not a big fan of the neutral game. In the Sam Maguire, the division winners and provincial winners should earn a home game. If you win your division and province, double delight!! The Tailteann winner should also be eligible for an extra home, unless 4 division winners happen to qualify, e.g. Division 3 and 4 winners both make their provincial final. In the Tailteann, any division winner should be rewarded with an extra home game. The extra home game in the Tailteann can be awarded in the following order: 1. Division 3 winner 2. Division 4 winner 3. Division 3 runner-up 4. Division 4 runner-up 5. Division 3 3rd 6. Division 4 3rd 7. Division 3 4th 8. Division 4 4th etc. etc.... This would give Division 3 and 4 teams an extra target. A Westmeath (3.3) and a Sligo (4.3) might have missed out on promotion but at least there would be the consolation of an extra home game in the Tailteann. Another point on the 2023 group format. If the 2 round 1 winners have to play in round 3, it ensures that a group cannot be won until round 3. It also ensures that a team cannot be eliminated until round 3. At worst, 2 winners will play for the quarter-finals and the 2 losers will play for the final preliminary quarter-final spot. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8976 - 17/05/2022 16:59:47 2418208 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "I think the 6th team in Division 2 loses out. Very unfair. You could do well to stay up in a tough Division, maybe be level with a few teams, and lose out on this due to points difference." The exact same thing could happen to a team in the league and they'd be relegated. Is that unfair? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 17/05/2022 17:11:16 2418210 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "There's uneven numbers in 2022." That's this year. If you read my post i was wondering about next year. howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 17/05/2022 18:42:00 2418233 Link
The fact that most people aren't questioning why New York are in this and have got a bye to the quarter final is quite strange. weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 17/05/2022 20:00:25 2418248 Link
Replying To weatherfieldgael: "What lower tier finals? Most players have played in Croke Park in some shape or form at this stage. You were as well play a game in a supermarket car park as there when it is empty. It has the same effect. I think you're being slightly demeaning here now isn't you?" Teams like Antrim, Leitrim, Carlow, Wicklow hardly ever see the inside of croke park totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1107 - 17/05/2022 21:37:20 2418265 Link
The fact that there is confusion about how the cup works and that they've changed how it works at the last minute, even temporarily is a complete and utter shambles and reflects poorly on the organisers of this particular cup and I hold out no great hopes it will be anything but a fly by night competition that will be dumped in two years, particularly as you will need two months next year to complete it...at least. weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 18/05/2022 09:28:04 2418274 Link