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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I think what is needed is more of the teams playing in neighbouring counties or amalgamating for their club championships. For example, the Carlow hurlers playing in Kilkenny must raise the standard in Carlow, it certainly did when MLR beat Oulart a few years back.
I played in college with a lad from a top Wicklow club and he was a right hurler but you could see that he was used to that second extra you get in Wicklow hurling that you don't get elsewhere.
I would have no doubt that even Laois and Offaly would benefit as counties if they combined their club championships. I know it is not in the spirit of GAA history but do they want to improve and get up with the top teams or not?"
100 %,, id personally be all for an amalgamated team comprised of these players to compete.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 22/04/2022 19:21:06    2412353

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Not so long as they're good enough.
Besides, a load of non Connacht men playing for connacht has done nothing to put young kids here off taking up rugby I guarantee you.
Don't blame them. Very few kids in say, sligo, are going to commit to hurling /football long term when they know that no matter how good they are, when they seek success and glory the gaa will close the doors on them."
And if 15 of them were good enough you would have a Carlow team with no Carlow men playing on it and a small handful of Carlow lads playing for some other county. I hardly think that would appeal to any young player in Carlow. And would Carlow supporters support such a Carlow team?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5533 - 22/04/2022 21:48:38    2412389

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Replying To Galway9801:  "If pride of place was that important to kids I think we wouldn't be seeing so many Liverpool, united etc jerseys around (although the latter have gone into hiding lately),also club transfers are quite common for example, and would be way more common imo only for the players are afraid of criticism.
Re your second point I disagree, giving kids in carlow a realistic opportunity to play in an all Ireland final and perform on the biggest stage (which they don't have now) would make the game more attractive to kids imo."
I honestly don't think that players from Carlow or Galway would want to transfer to stronger counties like Limerick or Kilkenny just to play in an All Ireland final.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1481 - 22/04/2022 22:02:05    2412399

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Replying To carlovia:  "I honestly don't think that players from Carlow or Galway would want to transfer to stronger counties like Limerick or Kilkenny just to play in an All Ireland final."
I take it you wouldn't support a Carlow team full of Kilkenny lads either Carlovia? For sure one of the games all time greats Joe Canning would've won more all Irelands had he been let play for Kilkenny, Tipp or Limerick.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5533 - 23/04/2022 07:03:46    2412403

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Replying To Viking66:  "And if 15 of them were good enough you would have a Carlow team with no Carlow men playing on it and a small handful of Carlow lads playing for some other county. I hardly think that would appeal to any young player in Carlow. And would Carlow supporters support such a Carlow team?"
Well even I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of a carlow team comprised entirely of non carlow men, perhaps there could be a quota system or something?
The short answer to your second point is I don't know, but looking at soccer and rugby, having non locals representing the local team, be it galway utd, Connacht rugby, or the premiership /spl, has done nothing to dampen their popularity, in fact the success that the new imports have brought has made the teams and sports more attractive.

Let me put it this way, if connacht rugby adopted the GAA model regarding player representation, the sportsground would still be struggling to attract 500 people to a game instead of the burgeoning attendances they're seeing now.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 23/04/2022 08:53:49    2412417

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Not so long as they're good enough.
Besides, a load of non Connacht men playing for connacht has done nothing to put young kids here off taking up rugby I guarantee you.
Don't blame them. Very few kids in say, sligo, are going to commit to hurling /football long term when they know that no matter how good they are, when they seek success and glory the gaa will close the doors on them."
To be fair I wouldn't be judging much based on Rugby. That's more people being lead to believe their "part of it".

I'm still not getting how lads from Carlow etc playing with another county is going to help them though.

In recent times Jack Fagan left Meath for Waterford and only one of these benefited and it most certainly wasn't Meath. Conor Kenny was the same leaving Kildare for Tipp and what benefits did that bring Kildare?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 984 - 23/04/2022 10:15:58    2412422

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Well even I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of a carlow team comprised entirely of non carlow men, perhaps there could be a quota system or something?
The short answer to your second point is I don't know, but looking at soccer and rugby, having non locals representing the local team, be it galway utd, Connacht rugby, or the premiership /spl, has done nothing to dampen their popularity, in fact the success that the new imports have brought has made the teams and sports more attractive.

Let me put it this way, if connacht rugby adopted the GAA model regarding player representation, the sportsground would still be struggling to attract 500 people to a game instead of the burgeoning attendances they're seeing now."
You are not comparing like with like. They are professional, or semi professional teams who could always sign outside players. If Galway hurlers could sign Kyle Hayes, Jamie Barron, and Tony Kelly for talks sake would Galway fans be happy about that? I'd say the majority wouldn't.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5533 - 23/04/2022 10:50:13    2412432

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Replying To Viking66:  "You are not comparing like with like. They are professional, or semi professional teams who could always sign outside players. If Galway hurlers could sign Kyle Hayes, Jamie Barron, and Tony Kelly for talks sake would Galway fans be happy about that? I'd say the majority wouldn't."
But the fact still remains that professional or not, bringing in outside players to help the team hasn't affected their support, or the sports popularity (well it has affected them, its increased them exponentially),, in fact relaxing the rules re international rugby hasn't done any harm either.

Half the italia 90 squad was English, people still got behind the team,, and the game.

As for your last point, I can only speak for myself and say if Hayes or Kelly joined galway I wouldn't boycott the team.
I'm sure when foreign players started playing in England lots of people probably predicted that local fans would lose interest in their clubs too.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 23/04/2022 11:04:29    2412439

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But the fact still remains that professional or not, bringing in outside players to help the team hasn't affected their support, or the sports popularity (well it has affected them, its increased them exponentially),, in fact relaxing the rules re international rugby hasn't done any harm either.

Half the italia 90 squad was English, people still got behind the team,, and the game.

As for your last point, I can only speak for myself and say if Hayes or Kelly joined galway I wouldn't boycott the team.
I'm sure when foreign players started playing in England lots of people probably predicted that local fans would lose interest in their clubs too."
I was in England during the 80s. People were well used to players from other areas playing for their soccer clubs. It had been happening since the 19th century. It was always a professional sport even though players weren't paid like they are now until the 80s. Sure you'd have seen as many Liverpool shirts around the Southeast of England if not more than the Southern teams with the exception of Arsenal back then. It is, and always was, a completely different set up. Same as the American sports. Rugby when it was an amateur club sport was more like the GAA. Ulstermen played for Ulster. Munstermen for Munster. All that changed when the game went professional. And not all for the better. I personally like the GAA the way it is.
I follow a couple of soccer clubs who were the local clubs to where I was living at the time. Millwall and Cliftonville. I've always watched rugby I played it from when I was 8 till my early 20s when I had to give up due to injury. But there's nothing like hurling. It's the best game in the world. So why change it for changes sake?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5533 - 23/04/2022 12:06:56    2412457

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Replying To Viking66:  "I was in England during the 80s. People were well used to players from other areas playing for their soccer clubs. It had been happening since the 19th century. It was always a professional sport even though players weren't paid like they are now until the 80s. Sure you'd have seen as many Liverpool shirts around the Southeast of England if not more than the Southern teams with the exception of Arsenal back then. It is, and always was, a completely different set up. Same as the American sports. Rugby when it was an amateur club sport was more like the GAA. Ulstermen played for Ulster. Munstermen for Munster. All that changed when the game went professional. And not all for the better. I personally like the GAA the way it is.
I follow a couple of soccer clubs who were the local clubs to where I was living at the time. Millwall and Cliftonville. I've always watched rugby I played it from when I was 8 till my early 20s when I had to give up due to injury. But there's nothing like hurling. It's the best game in the world. So why change it for changes sake?"
I agree with you re hurling, it's my favourite sport on earth, literally makes me proud to be irish, I guess it's a difference of opinion but I do believe that the gaa can allow itself to be hamstrung by tradition occasionally, tradition is great but should never get in the way of positive change (what I would see as positive change anyways).
As you said yourself the game of rugby went professional, ulstermen no longer necessarily played for ulster etc but the support remained, and grew if anything.
And like I alluded to earlier, club transfers are pretty common anyways, so why not county, after all, club is closer to home than county.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 23/04/2022 21:13:55    2412614

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Replying To Viking66:  "I take it you wouldn't support a Carlow team full of Kilkenny lads either Carlovia? For sure one of the games all time greats Joe Canning would've won more all Irelands had he been let play for Kilkenny, Tipp or Limerick."
It's a thing we don't do in Carlow. We don't transfer in players from other counties to try and feel better about ourselves.

Pick your best 15 players from your own county and get on with it.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1481 - 23/04/2022 21:40:39    2412627

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